New locos at UGL

 
  M636C Minister for Railways

Hi all.
6041 and 6042 are sitting at Hexham at the moment. The CF repaints? Excellent effort by UGL , I must say. They've done a million dollar job. Paint is immaculate. Also , the wheels and tms are brand new, even the brake blocks. And every zinc plated bolt, even up inside the undergear is shiny new. Hose clamps and crimp fittings new too. Even the hoses everywhere aren't painted, you can read the part numbers. Not a dent or mark anywhere. All the fuel fittings and gadgets are new. And topped it all off with new builders plates.
6041 is R-0147-02/17-527
6042 is R-0147-02/17-528

5007 is nearby. A downer repaint with none of the above luxuries.

CF units still in CF colours as of about 10 days ago.

Aren't these the phantom GWUs?
bingley hall
At least in theory, the "phantom GWUs" became 9318 and 9319 and 9320 was one more new unit built later.

It was said that PN cleaned out all the unsold units at Broadmeadow.
Of course, it is hard to tell the difference between unnumbered units in grey undercoat, so it is just possible there were two more. However, I'd only believe that if I saw CF4401 and CF 4409 standing next to 6041 and 6042.

Does 5007 have the large italic numbers?
5003 somehow kept the big italic numbers it had when new through the Downer repaint.

Peter

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  MPP 4520 Beginner


At least in theory, the "phantom GWUs" became 9318 and 9319 and 9320 was one more new unit built later.

It was said that PN cleaned out all the unsold units at Broadmeadow.
Of course, it is hard to tell the difference between unnumbered units in grey undercoat, so it is just possible there were two more. However, I'd only believe that if I saw CF4401 and CF 4409 standing next to 6041 and 6042.

Does 5007 have the large italic numbers?
5003 somehow kept the big italic numbers it had when new through the Downer repaint.

Peter


M636C

Oh dear would you please give up on the theory the CFs have been repainted and re numbered.


CF4401 and CF4409 ARE still on banking duties at Chilcotts as of today.

6041 and 6042 ARE brand new I have photos of their milages on the computer screens and they only had 70km on delivery.

Serial numbers are as follows:

6041  is  R-0147-02/17-527
6042  is  R-0147-02/17-528


6041 and 6042 are due to go to intermodal once specific paperwork is sorted out.

Me
  sydneyshortnorth Train Controller

Location: On the 1 in 40.

"At least in theory, the "phantom GWUs" became 9318 and 9319 and 9320 was one more new unit built later..............
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Peter"

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6041 and 6042 ARE brand new I have photos of their milages on the computer screens and they only had 70km on delivery.

Serial numbers are as follows:

6041  is  R-0147-02/17-527
6042  is  R-0147-02/17-528


6041 and 6042 are due to go to intermodal once specific paperwork is sorted out.

Me"
MPP 4520

If it's any help for those who like to put things in their proper order 9320's builder's plate shows its Serial Number as R-0167-12/16-523. So there's no doubt it's a new build, but perhaps not quite as new as 6041 & 6042. I'll let others speculate about book numbers 524-526!

Steve
  M636C Minister for Railways



If it's any help for those who like to put things in their proper order 9320's builder's plate shows its Serial Number as R-0167-12/16-523. So there's no doubt it's a new build, but perhaps not quite as new as 6041 & 6042. I'll let others speculate about book numbers 524-526!

Steve
sydneyshortnorth

UGL only apply builder's plates when the loco is delivered.
9320 was new but it was around twelve months old.

What are the builder's numbers of PH 001 to PH 003? 524 to 526 would fit if the plates were fitted just after the 93 class.

So 9318 and 9319 are probably 521-522, even though they were around two or more years old.

Peter
  tonyburgessau Beginner



If it's any help for those who like to put things in their proper order 9320's builder's plate shows its Serial Number as R-0167-12/16-523. So there's no doubt it's a new build, but perhaps not quite as new as 6041 & 6042. I'll let others speculate about book numbers 524-526!

Steve
UGL only apply builder's plates when the loco is delivered.
9320 was new but it was around twelve months old.

What are the builder's numbers of PH 001 to PH 003? 524 to 526 would fit if the plates were fitted just after the 93 class.

So 9318 and 9319 are probably 521-522, even though they were around two or more years old.


Peter


Peter,

Good to get this info.
Yes it seems logical that PH001-PH003 are 524-526 [so they no longer display UGL]  
Have they been despatched

It seems to me that the R-0xxx number is the authority to start construction, but the 5xx not allocated until loco complete
PHC class have a lower R # than the previous deliveries, to me indicates that they may have been started for GWU010 & 011?
The surprise is the date 12/16 on 9320, was it completed just before the Christmas holidays; would be interesting to see dates on 9318 & 9319

Tony




M636C
  M636C Minister for Railways

Good to get this info.
Yes it seems logical that PH001-PH003 are 524-526 [so they no longer display UGL]  
Have they been despatched

It seems to me that the R-0xxx number is the authority to start construction, but the 5xx not allocated until loco complete
PHC class have a lower R # than the previous deliveries, to me indicates that they may have been started for GWU010 & 011?
The surprise is the date 12/16 on 9320, was it completed just before the Christmas holidays; would be interesting to see dates on 9318 & 9319

Tony
tonyburgessau
I haven't checked out Broadmeadow since December...

I suspect the date on the plate is the date the plate was engraved.

At least one ARG AC had a plate with the wrong weights and the wrong serial number when I photographed it at Broadmeadow, but had a correct plate when I next saw it at Forrestfield (with a subtly different typeface).

Peter
  Maccification Beginner

According to ARTC, 6041 and 6042 are for all intents and purposes a continuation of the 6000 class.
https://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TOC/Files/17028.PDF
  M636C Minister for Railways

According to ARTC, 6041 and 6042 are for all intents and purposes a continuation of the 6000 class.
https://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TOC/Files/17028.PDF
Maccification

It is time someone updated the available copy of the TOC Manual.

The 6000 class, 6001 to 6012 are duly listed under "QR National", as are 5000s and 5020s.

I'm not sure where you are supposed to look for 6021-6029 and ACC6030 - ACC6032.

It is true that the ACCs rarely operate East of Kalgoorlie, (and thus not on ARTC track) but there was a 6020 leading 7MB7 on Sunday through Maitland.

There is no entry for Aurizon.

The very similar AC and ACB classes are wrongly listed under "Genesee and Wyoming" but no GWUs which GWA do own appear. The GWA class does appear, indicating weights for ballasted versions, again which I think don't exist.

So they can't list the 6040 series as 6020s because they don't list any 6020s.

I would be very surprised if the the 6040 series are 4270 HP, since all of the locomotives built since the 6000s are quoted as 4350 HP. That's pretty much a rounding error, I know but the paperwork is getting out of hand.

Wagons are still listed under Australia Western, a title that went away well before QR bought ARG.

So can we assume that the two CFs actually purchased will become 6033 and 6034 (or maybe 6043 and 6044....).

Peter
  MPP 4520 Beginner

According to ARTC, 6041 and 6042 are for all intents and purposes a continuation of the 6000 class.
https://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TOC/Files/17028.PDF

It is time someone updated the available copy of the TOC Manual.

The 6000 class, 6001 to 6012 are duly listed under "QR National", as are 5000s and 5020s.

I'm not sure where you are supposed to look for 6021-6029 and ACC6030 - ACC6032.

It is true that the ACCs rarely operate East of Kalgoorlie, (and thus not on ARTC track) but there was a 6020 leading 7MB7 on Sunday through Maitland.

There is no entry for Aurizon.

The very similar AC and ACB classes are wrongly listed under "Genesee and Wyoming" but no GWUs which GWA do own appear. The GWA class does appear, indicating weights for ballasted versions, again which I think don't exist.

So they can't list the 6040 series as 6020s because they don't list any 6020s.

I would be very surprised if the the 6040 series are 4270 HP, since all of the locomotives built since the 6000s are quoted as 4350 HP. That's pretty much a rounding error, I know but the paperwork is getting out of hand.

Wagons are still listed under Australia Western, a title that went away well before QR bought ARG.

So can we assume that the two CFs actually purchased will become 6033 and 6034 (or maybe 6043 and 6044....).



Peter


No plans to renumber the CFs at this stage due to the antiquated and painful registration process

Me
M636C
  M636C Minister for Railways


No plans to renumber the CFs at this stage due to the antiquated and painful registration process

Me
MPP 4520

Clearly there shouldn't be any complication in moving a locomotive from one number series to another when both types are the same. It would be even more sensible if there was a single number series for each class as there is in the UK.

But we have a system that apparently doesn't even know how many locomotives there are in a given class as shown by the TOC Waiver above. The blame is presumably shared with Sydney Trains who also try to maintain the same lists.

But Aurizon already have a loco of the same type numbered ACB 4401, even though ARTC seem to think that belongs to GWA.

It isn't good to have two locos with the same number, whether or not they have a different class letter, particularly if they look the same and might turn up in Forrestfield together.

At least Aurizon can repaint them if they want to.

Peter
  GeordieLadinOz Station Master

3 CF's including 001 and 009 were still near Willow Tree on Sunday for banking duties, think the other was 002 or 004, memory is going.

Interestingly the Aurizon coal that I saw being banked at Ardglen had the 3 PN TT's on the rear whilst the CF's enjoyed the afternoon in the sun.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
3 CF's including 001 and 009 were still near Willow Tree on Sunday for banking duties, think the other was 002 or 004, memory is going.

Interestingly the Aurizon coal that I saw being banked at Ardglen had the 3 PN TT's on the rear whilst the CF's enjoyed the afternoon in the sun.
GeordieLadinOz
How is it PN bank an Aurizon, are they just being nice?
  M636C Minister for Railways

3 CF's including 001 and 009 were still near Willow Tree on Sunday for banking duties, think the other was 002 or 004, memory is going.

Interestingly the Aurizon coal that I saw being banked at Ardglen had the 3 PN TT's on the rear whilst the CF's enjoyed the afternoon in the sun.
How is it PN bank an Aurizon, are they just being nice?
Junction box
I would assume that there are occasions when there are two trains in a row when it is more convenient for Aurizon to bank the second PN or PN to bank the second Aurizon rather than to wait for the bankers to return. This avoids delays to following trains.

I also assume that they keep a careful record of this and ensure that the account is even at the end of the month or whatever.

Peter
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
3 CF's including 001 and 009 were still near Willow Tree on Sunday for banking duties, think the other was 002 or 004, memory is going.

Interestingly the Aurizon coal that I saw being banked at Ardglen had the 3 PN TT's on the rear whilst the CF's enjoyed the afternoon in the sun.
How is it PN bank an Aurizon, are they just being nice?
Junction box
Done with the issue of a Purchase Order and the appropriate invoice sent to Aurizon at the end of the month.  

Simple really
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

The pooling of crews and locomotives is common in the US. Not so here, but the Ardglen banker is a good place to start.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The pooling of crews and locomotives is common in the US. Not so here, but the Ardglen banker is a good place to start.
neillfarmer
What has this got to do with new locos at UGL?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
The pooling of crews and locomotives is common in the US. Not so here, but the Ardglen banker is a good place to start.
What has this got to do with new locos at UGL?
nswtrains

The fact that the discussion of the last few posts has centred around Aurizon's CF's being used as Ardglen Bankers, and the bankers there can be used for either operator as required
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
As of today they're still in CFCLA colours (Aurizons trio).
https://flic.kr/p/TrDtsY (thanks to Brian Atkins)
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
Sorry to dig up this ancient thread but a new locomotive has appeared so we may as well pick up where we left off instead of starting a new thread and fragmenting keeping track of these C44 builds.

Some photos have started to circulate of PN's 9321 out and about looking very shiny and new. It's been a while since a new loco was built at UGL or in Aus for that matter.

Does anybody know how many are in this order? I'd heard there was more 93's on the way but I'm not sure where to look for details as I usually referred to this thread for them
  M636C Minister for Railways

Sorry to dig up this ancient thread but a new locomotive has appeared so we may as well pick up where we left off instead of starting a new thread and fragmenting keeping track of these C44 builds.

Some photos have started to circulate of PN's 9321 out and about looking very shiny and new. It's been a while since a new loco was built at UGL or in Aus for that matter.

Does anybody know how many are in this order? I'd heard there was more 93's on the way but I'm not sure where to look for details as I usually referred to this thread for them
DounutCereal
This is as good a thread as any....

My usually reliable sources suggest five units.

There is a suggestion that PN at least will buy small numbers every year.

It isn't that long since UGL built 6045 for Aurizon.

If you look at the Esperance Iron Ore traffic, where the MRL trains are using CFs and ACs along with NRs, you can see why PN who operate these trains might want more power.

Peter
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Interesting that PN is buying a brand-new UGL unit instead of going for an SDA1-alike from China or going for a US-built GT46C-ACe Gen II from Progress Rail. Maybe domestic loco manufacturing isn't quite as uncompetitive as it would appear...
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Interesting that PN is buying a brand-new UGL unit instead of going for an SDA1-alike from China or going for a US-built GT46C-ACe Gen II from Progress Rail. Maybe domestic loco manufacturing isn't quite as uncompetitive as it would appear...
LancedDendrite
The Aussie dollar is buying a lot less overseas than it was a couple of years back.
The high dollar did a lot of damage to local manufacturing before it dropped back.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

With the Australian dollar having lost forty-percent of its value since 2011, imported locomotives (and rollingstock) are now significantly more expensive. Assembling locally would be more price competitive than it was in the era of the high dollar during the 2011-2013 period that largely destroyed local manufacturing.

The likes of Bradken and Downer may well be regretting some of their previous long term business decisions based around short term dollar values.

It's also likely that PN's experience with the narrow gauge SDA-2 88 class has cured it of any interest in non-standard products. .
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
With the Australian dollar having lost forty-percent of its value since 2011, imported locomotives (and rollingstock) are now significantly more expensive. Assembling locally would be more price competitive than it was in the era of the high dollar during the 2011-2013 period that largely destroyed local manufacturing.

The likes of Bradken and Downer may well be regretting some of their previous long term business decisions based around short term dollar values.

It's also likely that PN's experience with the narrow gauge SDA-2 88 class has cured it of any interest in non-standard products. .
Sulla1
I do get the point, however aren't the expensive bits, like the engine, electrical systems, etc all imported in any case?
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Interesting that PN is buying a brand-new UGL unit instead of going for an SDA1-alike from China or going for a US-built GT46C-ACe Gen II from Progress Rail. Maybe domestic loco manufacturing isn't quite as uncompetitive as it would appear...
LancedDendrite
The people I know in the asset management team are very keen on C44s, they're not stupid. The plan is (and has been for a while) to cascade NRs into bulk and increase the numbers of 93s.

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