New locos at UGL

 
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

With the Australian dollar having lost forty-percent of its value since 2011, imported locomotives (and rollingstock) are now significantly more expensive. Assembling locally would be more price competitive than it was in the era of the high dollar during the 2011-2013 period that largely destroyed local manufacturing.

The likes of Bradken and Downer may well be regretting some of their previous long term business decisions based around short term dollar values.

It's also likely that PN's experience with the narrow gauge SDA-2 88 class has cured it of any interest in non-standard products. .
I do get the point, however aren't the expensive bits, like the engine, electrical systems, etc all imported in any case?
Big J
That's true, but other major components, such as the body, frame, cab, sometimes the bogies can take advantage of local costings. An Australian manufacturing worker being paid a hypothetical $100,000 in Australian dolllars was in effect earning $110,000 US in 2011, but in 2020 is now only earning $66,000 in US dollars - savings like that have to count somewhere in pricing. Welders and machinists at GE's Fort Worth locomotive plant are currently earning around $50,000 US.

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  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
With the Australian dollar having lost forty-percent of its value since 2011, imported locomotives (and rollingstock) are now significantly more expensive. Assembling locally would be more price competitive than it was in the era of the high dollar during the 2011-2013 period that largely destroyed local manufacturing.

The likes of Bradken and Downer may well be regretting some of their previous long term business decisions based around short term dollar values.

It's also likely that PN's experience with the narrow gauge SDA-2 88 class has cured it of any interest in non-standard products. .
I do get the point, however aren't the expensive bits, like the engine, electrical systems, etc all imported in any case?
That's true, but other major components, such as the body, frame, cab, sometimes the bogies can take advantage of local costings. An Australian manufacturing worker being paid a hypothetical $100,000 in Australian dolllars was in effect earning $110,000 US in 2011, but in 2020 is now only earning $66,000 in US dollars - savings like that have to count somewhere in pricing. Welders and machinists at GE's Fort Worth locomotive plant are currently earning around $50,000 US.
Sulla1
Wow, that price change is worth considering!
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Not to mention that shipping something as large as a loco across the world is quite costly, especially when the shipping service will want to be paid in USD.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

That's true, but other major components, such as the body, frame, cab, sometimes the bogies can take advantage of local costings. An Australian manufacturing worker being paid a hypothetical $100,000 in Australian dolllars was in effect earning $110,000 US in 2011, but in 2020 is now only earning $66,000 in US dollars - savings like that have to count somewhere in pricing. Welders and machinists at GE's Fort Worth locomotive plant are currently earning around $50,000 US.
I'm not being difficult but why do you say $100,000 a year (AUD) ???

I walked away from manufacturing in 2007 because it paid $15.62 an hour --- that's $31,000.   Their current pay offer is in the mid to low 40's.
GS4
Plus insurances
Plus leave entitlements
Plus super
Plus shift loading
Plus $100k is a nice round number.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

That's true, but other major components, such as the body, frame, cab, sometimes the bogies can take advantage of local costings. An Australian manufacturing worker being paid a hypothetical $100,000 in Australian dolllars was in effect earning $110,000 US in 2011, but in 2020 is now only earning $66,000 in US dollars - savings like that have to count somewhere in pricing. Welders and machinists at GE's Fort Worth locomotive plant are currently earning around $50,000 US.
I'm not being difficult but why do you say $100,000 a year (AUD) ???

I walked away from manufacturing in 2007 because it paid $15.62 an hour --- that's $31,000.   Their current pay offer is in the mid to low 40's.
GS4
It was purely a very round number to demonstrate the change in the Australian dollar compared to the US. I've no doubt it's largely imaginary.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
"Qube has awarded the contract to build four locomotives to UGL, part of the CIMIC Group.
The four locomotives will be built in Newcastle at UGL’s workshops there, said UGL’s managing director Jason Spears."
https://www.railexpress.com.au/qube-purchases-four-locomotives-from-ugl/
no doubt they'll need a lot more locos for their share of the Bluescope contract.
  Noelwb123 Station Master

I am a puzzled to the reference in Qube's statement about extending their light rail presence? Could this be a reference to narrow guage? If so are looking at a new narrow guage cf44.
Noel
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I am a puzzled to the reference in Qube's statement about extending their light rail presence? Could this be a reference to narrow guage? If so are looking at a new narrow guage cf44.
Noel
Noelwb123

The light rail reference is from UGL's media release which also covers a contract for the Adelaide tram network.

Rail Express editing fail.
  firefox Station Master

I am a puzzled to the reference in Qube's statement about extending their light rail presence? Could this be a reference to narrow guage? If so are looking at a new narrow guage cf44.
Noel
Noelwb123


An incredibly poorly worded press release, but I finally figured it out. The statement is from UGL, not Qube and refers to the last sentence in the release about UGL being recently awarded a contract with John Holland to run the Adelaide Tram Network
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
"Qube has awarded the contract to build four locomotives to UGL, part of the CIMIC Group.
The four locomotives will be built in Newcastle at UGL’s workshops there, said UGL’s managing director Jason Spears."
https://www.railexpress.com.au/qube-purchases-four-locomotives-from-ugl/
no doubt they'll need a lot more locos for their share of the Bluescope contract.
I just saw this on the C44ACi page on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UGL_Rail_C44aci


Qube unspecified number of locos.

There is mention of 7 C44's for Watco also ..........
GS4
I think the Watco order might be a furphy, there's no news about it anywhere other than the anonymous Wikipedia edit.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
I think the Watco order might be a furphy, there's no news about it anywhere other than the anonymous Wikipedia edit.
LancedDendrite
I am not sure if anyone has had a look at C44ACi Wikipedia page recently, but this has popped up in the last few days, I am talking about the SCT bit, and the Watco bit has been fiddled with.


Watco Australia
In 2019 7 Locomotives operate infrastructure trains with WTR Locomotives From UGL Rail C44aci In November 2019 Watco acquired a majority shareholding in Intermodal Group Western Australian intermodal container service from SCT Logistics.

Qube Holdings
Qube announced the purchase of an unspecified number of locomotives in March 2020, for delivery over 18 months.

SCT Logistics
In 2020 5 Locomotives SCR From UGL Rail C44aci In August 2020 SCT Logistics in Intermodal Group intermodal container Australian.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
QUBE and SCT are probably for the steel train contracts they won from BlueScope.
  aident Locomotive Fireman

Location: Somewhere in the Hunter
I think the Watco order might be a furphy, there's no news about it anywhere other than the anonymous Wikipedia edit.
I am not sure if anyone has had a look at C44ACi Wikipedia page recently, but this has popped up in the last few days, I am talking about the SCT bit, and the Watco bit has been fiddled with.


Watco Australia
In 2019 7 Locomotives operate infrastructure trains with WTR Locomotives From UGL Rail C44aci In November 2019 Watco acquired a majority shareholding in Intermodal Group Western Australian intermodal container service from SCT Logistics.

Qube Holdings
Qube announced the purchase of an unspecified number of locomotives in March 2020, for delivery over 18 months.

SCT Logistics
In 2020 5 Locomotives SCR From UGL Rail C44aci In August 2020 SCT Logistics in Intermodal Group intermodal container Australian.
Jack Le Lievre
Somebody obviously thinks it's hilarious to put joke edits on Wikipedia articles about contemporary Australian diesels. Probably the same guy who put on the 90 class page that Graincorp was going to get one built and that PN were going to transfer them all to Queensland. The Watco order isn't real, And I doubt the others are too.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
I think the Watco order might be a furphy, there's no news about it anywhere other than the anonymous Wikipedia edit.
I am not sure if anyone has had a look at C44ACi Wikipedia page recently, but this has popped up in the last few days, I am talking about the SCT bit, and the Watco bit has been fiddled with.


Watco Australia
In 2019 7 Locomotives operate infrastructure trains with WTR Locomotives From UGL Rail C44aci In November 2019 Watco acquired a majority shareholding in Intermodal Group Western Australian intermodal container service from SCT Logistics.

Qube Holdings
Qube announced the purchase of an unspecified number of locomotives in March 2020, for delivery over 18 months.

SCT Logistics
In 2020 5 Locomotives SCR From UGL Rail C44aci In August 2020 SCT Logistics in Intermodal Group intermodal container Australian.
Somebody obviously thinks it's hilarious to put joke edits on Wikipedia articles about contemporary Australian diesels. Probably the same guy who put on the 90 class page that Graincorp was going to get one built and that PN were going to transfer them all to Queensland. The Watco order isn't real, And I doubt the others are too.
aident


The QUBE one is real, they announced the purchase of four C44's. They'd want more than that to cover the Bluescope contract when it comes in though, even for just the MW/WM circuit.

SCT certainly haven't announced anything that I've seen (though they rarely tend to) so while it wouldn't surprise me if they did order some, I'd doubt it as yet. I also wonder if they'd be more likely to go for the GT46ACe Gen2 when the time comes as well as opposed to the C44 but we'll see.

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