IRA accident at Botany today (18-12-2011)?

 
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
Rumour of a Helga (1438) written off, and other things being said.

What's the real story (I know that's asking for trouble! lol)?

Craig.

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  pradnapper Station Staff

Dont know any of the details but certainly looked bad. Shunting at speed maybe.
  cuthbert Train Controller

Helga is a write-off, sort of bent frame issue, near Gelco/Kellogs. RTA has declared an exclusion zone due to the Explosive nature of the Locomotive Propellant that has been spilled!

No one hurt, so it's OK to post images.

Who told the RTA about this? This could be a Diversionary Tactic by Orica to shift the Leak Camra off their site whilst they let a bit more out! (just a joke - OK!)
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Pics, this thread is useless without pics, please.
  griz Station Master







  R44 Chief Commissioner

Location: Moving paper
Thats a write off for sure.
  DrSmith Train Controller

Helgas may not comply with Aussie rail standarda re underframe strength.....unless they claim a crumple zone......what do you think M636C?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
seen better days. good for parts and probably thats it.
  ContactBand Junior Train Controller

So what happened to cause that?
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

Just give us a stretch there driver!!
                                                  MH
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

I am far from an authority on these matters.

What intrigues me is, what can do that to the body yes the bogie seems to be still perfectly railed??
  konkos Assistant Commissioner

Location: Live next door to half-bar
sad so sad for this to have happened, however it's the other written off unit could somehow be used to make one out of two?
konkos
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Locomotive Propellant  Bang Head
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Hopefully parts can be salvaged to hopefully fix up 1429?
  Peacemaker Station Master

Location: Brisbane
That will buff out.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Yes and as if OHS and proceedures needed to be under the microscope at Botany .
  ajgfitz Station Master

Location: Casula NSW
I was the driver of that unit, had 5 MZ's together. Can't say too much about what I think the cause was as still have to get data logger downloads.
  Ben_Daui Deputy Commissioner

That will buff out.
"Peacemaker"

ROFL Laughing
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
I was the driver of that unit, had 5 MZ's together. Can't say too much about what I think the cause was as still have to get data logger downloads.
"ajgfitz"


it looks like the train buckled or was hit from the side. maybe a truck or fork lift hit the train.
  JGS Moderator Well. We'll see about THAT!

Location: Junee NSW
it looks like the train buckled or was hit from the side. maybe a truck or fork lift hit the train.
"jedimasterc"


Yeah, because a forklift could easily bend a frame upwards like that.  Rolling Eyes

Note the lack of lateral movement, which would indicate that it wasn't hit from the side...

Yeah, I know you were joking, but some people mightn't!  Wink
  Pegasus Beginner

Someone mentioned using this unit as spares to get 1429 going, I doubt it! Do you know IRA currently have 13 Traction Motors at Chullora all needing rewinds or rebuilds. Every Motor they have is stuffed, thats why 1429 isn't running yet, it needs bogies and the bogies need the T/Motors. For the 6 to be done 200k. Did this loco runinto something or don't we know yet, whatever it hit would be considerably damaged also I would think.
  ajgfitz Station Master

Location: Casula NSW
We where running around our train 5168 on 2 arrival when the locos decided they didn't want to stop. Slammed into the back of it. I was in the front of 1438. Had to crawl out the side window to escape. Loco took all the force of impact. Thought the wagons would of been damaged but they tell me they are fine. The boxes didn't fair so good, the contents (grain and chick pea) moved back buckling the end doors and panels.

MZ's don't brake at the best of times, the more u have together the worse it is. As i said the loggers will tell the story.
  chuffa Junior Train Controller

We where running around our train 5168 on 2 arrival when the locos decided they didn't want to stop. Slammed into the back of it. I was in the front of 1438. Had to crawl out the side window to escape. Loco took all the force of impact. Thought the wagons would of been damaged but they tell me they are fine. The boxes didn't fair so good, the contents (grain and chick pea) moved back buckling the end doors and panels.

MZ's don't brake at the best of times, the more u have together the worse it is. As i said the loggers will tell the story.
"ajgfitz"


Who gives a toss about the locos, the main thing is that you are ok.
  matt_c17 Chief Train Controller

Location: Around here somewhere...
Rumour has it there are a lot of very fat pidgeons in the area as a result of the spilled chick-pea and grain...
  M636C Minister for Railways

Helgas may not comply with Aussie rail standarda re underframe strength.....unless they claim a crumple zone......what do you think M636C?
"DrSmith"


The sideframe appears to have failed at the body bolster, and there looks to be a similar point on the rear of the locomotive, so it might be a designated crumple point. Certainly the cab itself hasn't collapsed and it looks like a much more severe collision might be survivable for the crew.

But in general European rail vehicles, even more recent ones have lower end loading standards than Australian or US vehicles.

I always wanted to see what happened to the strange vertically joggled coupler in an end impact. That would have provided an additional couple to encourage the frame bending, but I think that failure might have been a designed feature. Of course E and F units could break there in a similar impact and all truss carbody units can fail like that.

M636C

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