[SMH] Student challenges ruling on her HSC

 
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
An extreme case of perfectionism? http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/student-challenges-ruling-on-her-hsc-20120427-1xq32.html



Caption: "My writing became illegible and my hand was cramping" ... former school student. Photo: Ben Rushton

A FORMER Abbotsleigh student who is now studying medicine at the University of Sydney is claiming the NSW Board of Studies wrongly refused to grant her special examination provisions in the form of a computer and extra exam time for the 2008 Higher School Certificate.

The 21-year-old woman, who does not wish to be named, was placed fifth in the state in her HSC chemistry exam with a mark in the high 90s in 2007, when she was in year 11. A year later she scored a university entry rank of 99.95, with marks of about 94 per cent in her English and modern history exams.

She was granted rest breaks during the exams in response to her application to the Board of Studies for special examination provisions. She has a disability described as a malfunctioning of the wrist. But she believes she should have been granted a computer or extra time to compensate for cramping in her hand after prolonged periods of writing.

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Had she been granted a computer or extra time, the student believes she would have achieved much higher marks.

''The point isn't that I was doing badly. I did do well, what a normal person would consider well,'' she said.

''But you want your disability to be sufficiently addressed with special examination provisions so that everyone has a capability to communicate what they know in the HSC examinations, otherwise it is not a fair test of your knowledge.

''Marks were lost often towards the end of the paper where my hand fatigued and I wasn't able to complete the paper. My writing became illegible and my hand was cramping.''

The young woman's mother has consistently complained to Abbotsleigh School for Girls in Wahroonga and the NSW Board of Studies since 2008 claiming discrimination against her daughter, saying this had prevented her from achieving her true potential.

The mother believes her daughter was denied the opportunity to achieve higher marks and placement statewide.

The matter was escalated to the Administrative Review Tribunal where it was the subject of a three-day hearing this week.

The NSW Board of Studies hired a senior counsel and another lawyer to defend its case against the young woman who is claiming indirect discrimination on the basis of her disability.

The mother and her daughter believe she could have achieved higher marks had she been given special provisions.

''It would have enabled me to communicate my response in full. I would have been able to continue writing,'' she said.

The student has also claimed the Board of Studies wrongly denied her misadventure claim which was made on the basis that she was not given adequate special provisions for her disability in the exams.

However, Chris Ronalds, SC, representing the Board of Studies, said a successful application under the policy only meant a student was given the higher of their school assessment or exam marks. The young woman had achieved a higher exam mark.

The girl's mother, who was repeatedly warned against interrupting tribunal proceedings, has claimed for four years that Abbotsleigh did not give her daughter a sufficiently high school assessment.

During the tribunal hearing, Ms Ronalds said the former Abbotsleigh student wanted ''the entire Board of Studies policy on special provisions rewritten'' to provide her with a personal advantage.


I wouldn't want this person to be my doctor.

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  HMC1989 Chief Commissioner

Location: Behind a desk.
I had a disability too. It was called a girlfriend causing great distress during my HSC exams.
Gee, some people are never happy. Sounds like the daugther is real chip off the block.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".

By God she does not want much does she. When I did my adult apprenticeship as a plumber years back, I to had a real disability, I was partially deaf, but it still did not stop me from passing the final exam though and I got no special treatment what so ever, the Plumbing School knew of my disability though. I dont know my final passing mark as they never tell you the actual maks just that you passed, but one of the lecturer's told me after the exam had been marked that he wished more of the younger ones would do so well, some he said were just wasting their time actually turning up at the school.

 

This sounds to me that she want everything handed to her on a gold platter. Love it does not work that way and the school of hard knocks can be a right b*****d at the best of times. Harden up princess and get a life.

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  Kurt Station Master

I'm actually going through this procedure now and the whole way things are done really gives me the smeg, honestly, i have 6/60 vision and got my vision impaired travel pass on the first time, yet it took my school more than three appeals for me to be able to get extra time, let alone use a laptop, and even now i'm not 100% sure if its confirmed yet. They say i get an unfair advantage in the test, yet i have through this disadvantage for my entire life! The way these things are done these days is awful as it stresses out so many kids with disabilities, and while I'd happily take that rank mentioned above, I feel the whole procedure for the HSC will only get worse in the coming years.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
What you get in your HSC is immediately ignored after you enter uni.   It has no further relevance for the rest of your life.   As David said, harden up!
  A78 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Banned
I got a writer for all my exams from year 7 to year 12 could of got a computer but didn't really wanna cause it was easier to tell someone my answers. Though got funded a computer in year 9 then got a new one in year 11 cause of kevin rudds thing where he gave money for technology at schools which our school gave us all MacBooks! Which I had a 2007/08 then got a 2010 model

The only difference is you sit in a different room with less than 5-10 people and you talk to the writer what you want to say in the exam I used to have a reader also which he/she read the question and wrote what I said as the answer and for every half hour. Got 2.5min extra so for a 2 hr exam I got 25min extra which I rarely used anyway. Arrow
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I fail to understand what this broad really wants, and, more importantly, why?  She should quit being precious, and get on with her current studies. When she graduates, let me know where she practises so that I can avoid her like the plague . . . anyone who can concentrate so hard on complete irrelevancies will be a disaster as a medical practitioner.
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
What you get in your HSC is immediately ignored after you enter uni.   It has no further relevance for the rest of your life.   As David said, harden up!
"Donald"


Exactly, this. Unless the mark hindered entrance to your desired university, it's irrelevant unless she wants to transfer to another university, which would take into account of both her UAI (now ATAR rank) and first year tertiary marks.
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
The result outcome, perhaps she should've given her personal reasons to the smh earlier on.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/student-loses-appeal-over-9995-hsc-mark-20120703-21flw.html
Student loses appeal over 99.95 HSC mark



Louise Hall, Anna Patty
July 4, 2012

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Sarah Wong ... unhappy with treatment. Photo: Facebook



AFTER achieving a university entry rank of 99.95, winning fifth place in the state for chemistry and a place at the University of Sydney studying medicine, the former Abbotsleigh student Sarah Hui Xin Wong believed she could have done better in the HSC.

Sarah's mother, Eileen, lodged complaint after complaint to the school and to the Board of Studies since Sarah completed the HSC in 2008, arguing her daughter was discriminated against.

Yesterday, Ms Wong lost her appeal against a decision by the NSW Board of Studies not to grant her special examination provisions in the form of a computer and extra exam time for the 2008 Higher School Certificate.

She took the Board of Studies to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, claiming she was unlawfully discriminated against on the ground of disability.
Ms Wong, now 21, said the board failed to adequately accommodate her joint hyper mobility of the wrist and hand during her English advanced and modern history exams.

She was granted rest breaks during the exams. She was also offered the use of a writer, who would take down her dictation. However, she chose not to use this option.

Ms Wong scored a university entry rank of 99.95 and is studying a combined degree in science and medicine at the University of Sydney. She came fifth in the HSC chemistry exam when she was in year 11 in 2007.

However, she told the tribunal she believed if she had been granted a computer or extra time, she would have achieved much higher marks.

The tribunal found Ms Wong failed to establish her claims of discrimination and dismissed her complaint.

The tribunal said it was not satisfied that without a computer, Ms Wong was unable to perform to her ability in the same way that persons without her disability could have done.

Ms Wong has been ordered to pay some of the Board of Studies' costs, including a proportion of the fees of the leading Sydney barrister Chris Ronalds, SC.

Earlier this year she told the Herald the board's failure to grant her additional ''special provisions'' meant that she was not fairly tested.

''The point isn't that I was doing badly. I did do well, what a normal person would consider well,'' she said. ''But you want your disability to be sufficiently addressed with special examination provisions so that everyone has a capability to communicate what they know in the HSC examinations, otherwise it is not a fair test of your knowledge.

''Marks were lost often towards the end of the paper where my hand fatigued and I wasn't able to complete the paper. My writing became illegible and my hand was cramping.''



 
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong

She got 99.95 as her Year 12, came 5th in NSW for chemistry, AND got into medicine at uni. And now she is whinging saying that she was hard done by because she was discriminated because she wasn't allowed special privileges in her Yr 12 exams. PFFFT!!!!

What more does she want??? An automatic pass in her medical degree?

All I can say is, 'Get over it and move on'.

This just proves what people have saying in that the current genration is the 'me' generation. They are not prepared to work for what they want, and expect everything to be given to them on a golden plate.

  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
Just one word comes to mind, which I can't use on this site. Oh well I will try it anyway.

smeg Exclamation

Get over it.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Perhaps I should have applied for special treatment because I was a dummy... Nope, I didn't go to uni, but that doesn't mean I'm any less valuable as a human being.
  wrongroad Deputy Commissioner

Location: Grafton

Really, what is this young womans' problem?
She wants to be a doctor, or, at least in medicine?
Her hand writing became illegible!
Next question I have is,
Can any one read a doctors hand writing?

Very Happy

99.95, be happy with that.

Regards and respect
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
99.95, what more does she bloody want? Sigh, us Asians...
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
She may have had to put in extra effort to get the 99.95 compared to the several others who also got 99.95.

I'd be extremely relieved and left it alone if I achieved 99.95 despite all the difficulties, simply because 99.95 would require one to be a genius or have required an immense amount of effort of learning and strategising that learning anyway.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
This broad has an exaggerated idea of her own importance.
  mudhen455 Junior Train Controller

Ms Wong is a spoilt little brat and should be kicked in the coit and told to get over it. One would also hope that she will not be practicing surgery if she is supposedly suffering " joint mobility ".
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
I agree, as the well known saying on RP is, drink some concrete and harden the f*** up! I have crap handwriting too, I wrote slowly in my HSC so the markers could read it, shook my hand about 10 times in each exam from soreness, I didn't ask for any extra conditions and I got 64.85 and I'm very happy with that ranking. 

Just imagine what's going to happen at university with that girl if she doesn't get 20 mins extra for her doctorate exam? Rolling Eyes  I'm not against extra priveledges for those with appropriate disabilities but a sore hand and/or joint is pathetic and rightfully rejected.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.

Really, what is this young womans' problem?

"wrongroad"


Her mother??

A cousin who gained a higher result??



  poppins122325 Chief Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
The bit i love is "However, she told the tribunal she believed if she had been granted a computer or extra time, she would have achieved much higher marks."

99.95 come on whats much higher than that ? and seriously she had the chance and declined the provisions made, so she chose her own pitfall there


On the other hand i was just grateful to pass the bloody thing
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
The bit i love is "However, she told the tribunal she believed if she had been granted a computer or extra time, she would have achieved much higher marks."

99.95 come on whats much higher than that ? and seriously she had the chance and declined the provisions made, so she chose her own pitfall there


On the other hand i was just grateful to pass the bloody thing
"poppins122325"


The 99.95 ATAR is just a rank. It doesn't indicate she got 100% for everything, as HSC marks are scaled, meaning one year, someone may have achieved 99 as the top (raw) score and in another year, it was 95. (Only the Board of Studies knows this, and is how they can adjust the difficulty, or rather 'sort' of questions which are assessed in the HSC exams, if they see the need to)

Perhaps she got 99 for some subject but wanted 100, or she wanted to come 4th,3rd,2nd or 1st in Chemistry rather than 5th. Who knows, as I mentioned in my first post, "[Is this] an extreme case of perfectionism?"
  JGS Moderator Well. We'll see about THAT!

Location: Junee NSW
Is there anyone who seriously thinks that these sort of stories are printed for any reason other than to rile people up? C'mon, it isn't news, and it serves no purpose other than to give people something to get heated up about.

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Matt

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