An uncertain future - Zig Zag Railway

 
  UP9372 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Banned


Well if the ITSR is not happy about the SMS of a heritage organisation the onus should be on the ITSR to provide the paperwork, or at least a template that could easily be applied to a non-profit organisation. The aim of the any safety system should be to provide a reasonable level of safety, not send organisations to the wall through unreasonable costs of compliance. Laying down and accepting the status quo is not the way to get any unacceptable situation changed.

Thank goodness all safety people on the rail systems are not as bloody minded as some on this group. No one was really hurt in the incident at ZZ but a similar incident in the Hunter Valley resulted in the death of a plant operator and I did not see the Hunter Rail system being closed down. Has to be some equity in the application of any compliance system.

I am aware a national system is coming soon but I do not see what that will change the situation all that much. You know CSB & now ASB, all just different acronyms. 

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  blackbird_1803 Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney
From the interim report:

1.34 The Rail Motor Driver was uninjured. However, the Hi-Rail Driver was
rendered unconscious briefly and reported a sore lower back, shoulder and
legs while the Passenger suffered a bruised spine and temple.



  7006 Locomotive Driver


Well if the ITSR is not happy about the SMS of a heritage organisation the onus should be on the ITSR to provide the paperwork, or at least a template that could easily be applied to a non-profit organisation. The aim of the any safety system should be to provide a reasonable level of safety, not send organisations to the wall through unreasonable costs of compliance. Laying down and accepting the status quo is not the way to get any unacceptable situation changed.

Thank goodness all safety people on the rail systems are not as bloody minded as some on this group. No one was really hurt in the incident at ZZ but a similar incident in the Hunter Valley resulted in the death of a plant operator and I did not see the Hunter Rail system being closed down. Has to be some equity in the application of any compliance system.

I am aware a national system is coming soon but I do not see what that will change the situation all that much. You know CSB & now ASB, all just different acronyms. 
"UP9372"


If you read the Act and the NAP carefully you will see clearly its not up to the regulator to provide the SMS it is up to the operator to develop the SMS and ensure it meets the requirement of ALL the Acts and General Reg that the Government has approved. ITSR provide to Heritage operators, basic templates, the NAP has a great step by step guidlines what is needed for an SMS and ITSR are always happy to talk with any railway operator if they have questions. If you look at the ITSR web page there are fact sheets and policies to assist in the development of a accreditation. Developing an SMS and applying for accreditation is not hard it just takes time. The key factors is you have develop an SMS that suits your operations not "cut and paste" from other operator's SMS.
  jayrailnz Chief Train Controller

Location: Cromwell Otago NZ
It saddeneds me to read the stuation at ZZR not operating its way out of the huge problem.The community of enthusiasts and the Lithgow township will I am sure will leave no stoned unturned solving the issues,but it takes time for attitudes to engage in a recovery. Other Australian heritage rails are also on a similar concern pathway with insurance costs/regulation changes on safety and many  are in trepidation.

On an historical query,in1977 were the rails laid on the formation,and when did first trip by ZZR occur?As Hotham  Tourist Valley RLY/WA was cranking up that time our Exec was in communication with ZZR,facing Govt barriers,loco purchases and tourism promotion.I recall driving my car down to bottom points thru the tunnel,so really understand the local anguish. HVTR was badly affected by  recent damaging bushfires and was forced to relocate to a new Depot in an isolated region from township.The railway has reinvented itself,so can be seen progressing on  http://www.hothamvalleyrailway .com.au.
I send this reassurance to the dedicated members of ZZR.

John Arnold Founder President /Life Member HVTR
  flathog Chief Commissioner

Location: Central West, NSW
With the support of NSW Transport it is amazing what things can happen!

Only two months on from rail services ceasing, with a very brisk day to greet us, rail services in a sense resumed at ZZR on August 17th. Following a lot of work and fantastic utilisation of the workshop facilities I received a call asking if I would be available as a pilot driver for a special movement at Zig Zag Railway.

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Below is a picture a friend took, unsure if there are any others.

Something none of the crew members were expecting when we were told of the run at such short notice, however, it was a true honour to take part in this vital step towards re-accreditation of the railway!




Unfortunately I've been pulled up on providing further details due to our Privacy ruling in the Ops Manual, hopefully more news will follow in the media in the coming days! Smile
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Sounds promising!

I really do like the ZZR. I went for a ride back in 2005 whilst holidaying in NSW, and was most impressed by the railway.

I wish the ZZR the best of luck in it's first steps towards running again.
  The_trolley Deputy Commissioner

Location: Banned
With the support of NSW Transport it is amazing what things can happen!

Only two months on from rail services ceasing, with a very brisk day to greet us, rail services in a sense resumed at ZZR on August 17th. Following a lot of work and fantastic utilisation of the workshop facilities I received a call asking if I would be available as a pilot driver for a special movement at Zig Zag Railway.

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Below is a picture a friend took, unsure if there are any others.

Something none of the crew members were expecting when we were told of the run at such short notice, however, it was a true honour to take part in this vital step towards re-accreditation of the railway!


(Picture removed)

Unfortunately I've been pulled up on providing further details due to our Privacy ruling in the Ops Manual, hopefully more news will follow in the media in the coming days! Smile
"flathog"


I see what you did there... Very good, well played, carry on, reel em' in, etc...
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
With the support of NSW Transport it is amazing what things can happen!

Only two months on from rail services ceasing, with a very brisk day to greet us, rail services in a sense resumed at ZZR on August 17th. Following a lot of work and fantastic utilisation of the workshop facilities I received a call asking if I would be available as a pilot driver for a special movement at Zig Zag Railway.

[/edit - snip snip]

Below is a picture a friend took, unsure if there are any others.

Something none of the crew members were expecting when we were told of the run at such short notice, however, it was a true honour to take part in this vital step towards re-accreditation of the railway!


(Picture removed)

Unfortunately I've been pulled up on providing further details due to our Privacy ruling in the Ops Manual, hopefully more news will follow in the media in the coming days! Smile
"flathog"


I see what you did there... Very good, well played, carry on, reel em' in, etc...
"The_trolley"


Yeah I didn't know the workshop had such "copy and paste" facilities Smile
  Albert Chief Commissioner

620's are guage convertable? Laughing
  flathog Chief Commissioner

Location: Central West, NSW
Another shot from Friday. Smile


  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Ah. Now I see what people are getting at.

You got me a good one there! Laughing
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Tom you forgot about the new Lithgow based Endeavour running on the Zig Zag. 
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse
In the Blue Mountains, the brown signs directing for Zig Zag Railway, have been either painted or broaded over. Something tells me that, It's a bad indication about the existance of the ZZR or just telling tourists that the railway is closed.


  flathog Chief Commissioner

Location: Central West, NSW

In the Blue Mountains, the brown signs directing for Zig Zag Railway, have been either painted or broaded over. Something tells me that, It's a bad indication about the existance of the ZZR or just telling tourists that the railway is closed.

"jt393"


It was more or less to stop the tourists who saw the signs, pulled in...waited for a while then complained to Blue Mountains Tourism etc! Wink
Rest assured there is much progress occurring behind the scenes! Much more then even I believed at first thought! Smile
  abesty1 Chief Commissioner

Location: The CityRail Network
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-27/full-steam-ahead-for-zig-zag-reopening/4393718?section=nsw

Full steam ahead for Zig Zag reopening

Work on upgrading safety standards at the Zig Zag Railway is starting, after regulators approved a plan for the tourist attraction.

Representatives from Lithgow's Zig Zag Railway have met regulators for the first time since it closed in June.

An audit released in September listed 150 instances where the railway was deficient in its safety management.

The general manager Michael Forbes says the delegation presented a plan and time table for improving safety at the site to the regulators.

"We had a very productive, two hour meeting with them," he said.

"We presented our roadmap if you like on how we intend to address the outstanding non-compliances and a timeframe for it, and they all shook us warmly by the hand and nodded and said 'yes, right, beauty, go to it'.

"We feel pretty pleased with their reaction to what they're proposing."

He says work to address the problems will start today.

"We had to get their blessing, if you like, on the way we want to approach the problem.

"They saw what we're proposing, they think it's a reasonable approach.

"We're starting on what we think is the biggest non-compliance, if you like, which is reorganising the rail safety management plan, in other words how we look after the safe operations.

Mr Forbes says Zig Zag is on track to re-open by July next year.


  abesty1 Chief Commissioner

Location: The CityRail Network
July resumption date: http://www.lithgowmercury.com.au/story/1176776/zig-zag-plans-a-return/?cs=1464
  TomBTR Chief Train Controller

Location: near Sydney
The Mercury story is optimistic and plausible. I wish them well and we shall try to be there for a ride on re-opening day.

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