General Cityrail Network Observations

 
  Highrise Assistant Commissioner

That certainly is a rare sight, in Sydney and perhaps Australia?
"boxythingy"
Not rare at all, happens all the time at Campbelltown. Local working allows for the signaller to permit a train (Generally from the yard) to proceed (with a calling on signal) in behind a train that is already on the platform, so as to reduce potential delays. I've been that close to the back of XPT at the same spot.

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  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
That certainly is a rare sight, in Sydney and perhaps Australia?
"boxythingy"
Not rare at all, happens all the time at Campbelltown. Local working allows for the signaller to permit a train (Generally from the yard) to proceed (with a calling on signal) in behind a train that is already on the platform, so as to reduce potential delays. I've been that close to the back of XPT at the same spot.
"Highrise"


Oh okay, it's probably me who has never seen it while I've seen it quite often overseas.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Spotted an S set with red target plate on a Glenfield service, but the driver had "Bondi Junction" on the desto board. I'm guessing this driver had the wrong codes for this particular set?
"bjwh86"


Correct - the MMC S Set would be doing a Tangara roster (one would then logically assume that the Tangara to be used on the service was unavailable for whatever reason), and the driver had the wrong destination code list in the cab.
  bjwh86 Chief Train Controller

How is it that the silver sets have different codes and versions of the destination boards? Weren't they installed around the same time?
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
How is it that the silver sets have different codes and versions of the destination boards? Weren't they installed around the same time?
"bjwh86"

Boards are the same, the software upgrades however are not. The train needs to be in the depot for the software upgrade to occur.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
How is it that the silver sets have different codes and versions of the destination boards? Weren't they installed around the same time?
"bjwh86"


When the boards were installed, there was no requirement to have a "Hornsby via Macquarie Park" or "Central via Macquarie Park" option (this is just one example, there are many more that could be cited), thus updates have to happen periodically.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
There also appear to be two different fonts used by the flip-dots, too...
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
There also appear to be two different fonts used by the flip-dots, too...
"Watson374"


That would likely be a result of years of experimenting with the best balance between trying to find the easiest display to read, while conveying the most relevent information. For example, the word "Central" taking up the entire destination board is exceptionally easy to read, but hard to understand - does the train go via East Hills, Bankstown, Regents Park or Granville? Likewise, "Central & City Circle via Liverpool, Fairfield and Granville" conveys a lot of relevent information, but it requires the text to be smooshed down, that it's often no help to anyone.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
There also appear to be two different fonts used by the flip-dots, too...
"Watson374"


That would likely be a result of years of experimenting with the best balance between trying to find the easiest display to read, while conveying the most relevent information. For example, the word "Central" taking up the entire destination board is exceptionally easy to read, but hard to understand - does the train go via East Hills, Bankstown, Regents Park or Granville? Likewise, "Central & City Circle via Liverpool, Fairfield and Granville" conveys a lot of relevent information, but it requires the text to be smooshed down, that it's often no help to anyone.
"Raichase"


Absolutely.

I believe the optimum solution to have been discovered in the form of the final destination being in enormous letters, with the via information being in smaller script underneath. The trick is then to find that unique via point that no other route uses. To state 'Campbelltown via Liverpool' is pretty useless, seeing as there are three ways to do so. However, by stating 'Campbelltown via Granville', we eliminate all other possibilities, because there is only one way to Campbelltown that involves going via Granville.

Thus...

CAMPBELLTOWN
VIA GRANVILLE

...which screams out the final destination but also supplies the critical via point, making a useful destination indicator.

Of course, if it was a bus, one could flip through...

CAMPBELLTOWN
VIA GRANVILLE

CAMPBELLTOWN
VIA FAIRFIELD

CAMPBELLTOWN
VIA LIVERPOOL

...in a loop.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I believe the optimum solution to have been discovered in the form of the final destination being in enormous letters, with the via information being in smaller script underneath.
"Watson374"


As you say, they've hit upon the solution, but until all of the boards have had their software updated, the problem originally discussed will still appear from time to time. Drivers do their best to get around it, although this is often why the boards are often blank (see an earlier post).
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
That certainly is a rare sight, in Sydney and perhaps Australia?
"boxythingy"
Not rare at all, happens all the time at Campbelltown. Local working allows for the signaller to permit a train (Generally from the yard) to proceed (with a calling on signal) in behind a train that is already on the platform, so as to reduce potential delays. I've been that close to the back of XPT at the same spot.
"Highrise"


Oh okay, it's probably me who has never seen it while I've seen it quite often overseas.
"boxythingy"
I, and others, quite often did it at Moss Vale as well parking an Endeavour behind the Northbound XPT (on occassion behind the Up Canberra XPLORER too) and follow into the platform as it departs, not too sure if ARTC can do it now with the way the yard was re-signalled.
  littleal9 Train Controller

Location: bellambi
I believe the optimum solution to have been discovered in the form of the final destination being in enormous letters, with the via information being in smaller script underneath.
"Watson374"


As you say, they've hit upon the solution, but until all of the boards have had their software updated, the problem originally discussed will still appear from time to time. Drivers do their best to get around it, although this is often why the boards are often blank (see an earlier post).
"Raichase"


Until the powers that be can stop the graffitti covering the desto boards, it is mostly a waste of time putting it in any way.


  Kurmudgeon Junior Train Controller

An observation... the other week the Richmond to City train, stopping Seven Hills then Westmead, stopped at Toongabbie (and only Toongabbie) as well. I've seen where Richmond services will change stopping patterns due to problems with a Penrith to City train (cancelled, late, whatever), and now a question... why would one stop at just Toongabbie?
I was listening to music at the time (which I rarely do) so didn't catch any announcement; and it was a proper stop, with passengers boarding.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
An observation... the other week the Richmond to City train, stopping Seven Hills then Westmead, stopped at Toongabbie (and only Toongabbie) as well. I've seen where Richmond services will change stopping patterns due to problems with a Penrith to City train (cancelled, late, whatever), and now a question... why would one stop at just Toongabbie?
I was listening to music at the time (which I rarely do) so didn't catch any announcement; and it was a proper stop, with passengers boarding.
"Kurmudgeon"


Ahead of time enough to make one stop?? 

We had that one day - We stopped Blacktown then Parramatta... No announcement or anything until after Blacktown. Then we stopped at Westmead... 
  Kamz Assistant Commissioner

An observation... the other week the Richmond to City train, stopping Seven Hills then Westmead, stopped at Toongabbie (and only Toongabbie) as well. I've seen where Richmond services will change stopping patterns due to problems with a Penrith to City train (cancelled, late, whatever), and now a question... why would one stop at just Toongabbie?
I was listening to music at the time (which I rarely do) so didn't catch any announcement; and it was a proper stop, with passengers boarding.
"Kurmudgeon"


Maybe the crew didn't realise they were Seven Hills , Westmead until after they stopped at Toongabbie. Probably just an error. A much better mistake to make then missing a scheduled stop. Smile
  Kurmudgeon Junior Train Controller

An observation... the other week the Richmond to City train, stopping Seven Hills then Westmead, stopped at Toongabbie (and only Toongabbie) as well. I've seen where Richmond services will change stopping patterns due to problems with a Penrith to City train (cancelled, late, whatever), and now a question... why would one stop at just Toongabbie?
I was listening to music at the time (which I rarely do) so didn't catch any announcement; and it was a proper stop, with passengers boarding.
"Kurmudgeon"


Maybe the crew didn't realise they were Seven Hills , Westmead until after they stopped at Toongabbie. Probably just an error. A much better mistake to make then missing a scheduled stop. Smile
"Kamz"


I remember one time many years ago being on a west bound train, and after passing Auburn the guard announced they'd forgotten to stop there, so passengers would have to get out at the next stop and get a train in the opposite direction.
  bjwh86 Chief Train Controller

This has happened multiple times on services I've been on.
Sometimes the guard will open the doors then announce to the driver the next stop, or the guard rings the bell to continue.
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
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  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
A new type of advertisement has appeared at Ashfield:
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"boxythingy"


Dude, that's a USyd poster.
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
A new type of advertisement has appeared at Ashfield:
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"boxythingy"


Dude, that's a USyd poster.
"Watson374"


I meant the panel. I've never seen standalone panels rising up from the platform surface before.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
A new type of advertisement has appeared at Ashfield:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pj_in_oz/7962552978/
"boxythingy"


Dude, that's a USyd poster.
"Watson374"


I meant the panel. I've never seen standalone panels rising up from the platform surface before.
"boxythingy"


Ah, right.

It's quite nice, but it really is quite vulnerable.
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
It doesn't occur alot (thankfully) but I've seen it happen both ways making an additional stop and missing a stop they were supposed to make. I'd say it's an oversight from the driver but not good when you've got passengers wanting to board at your station or when you notice a train stops on the main and you wonder (with a clear road ahead) why has he stopped here.
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i07prp8Oek8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Some kind of alarm was sounding, no announcement was made to say whether we were safe or not
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
Boxy if there is no announcement to evacuate, then there is a good chance it is safe to remain on the station premises. Cityrail aren't in the habit of letting the pax burn to a crisp.  Rolling Eyes
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Boxy if there is no announcement to evacuate, then there is a good chance it is safe to remain on the station premises. Cityrail aren't in the habit of letting the pax burn to a crisp.  Rolling Eyes
"Blackadder"

You mean the Sydney Airport Company? Regardless of whether it was a real emergency or not, one would obviously not feel content if a loud noise was just sounding away...

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