General Cityrail Network Observations

 
  Sir S Set Station Staff

This afternoon's 4:41pm (Chatswood time) service to Richmond was S sets S122/S130. This service is usually an A set. Would the trackwork between Richmond and Schofields mean that there was no A set available (stabled at RCD)?

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  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

This afternoon's 4:41pm (Chatswood time) service to Richmond was S sets S122/S130. This service is usually an A set. Would the trackwork between Richmond and Schofields mean that there was no A set available (stabled at RCD)?
Sir S Set

No.
All sets should be in traffic as normal.
Any Stabled sets at Richmond would have be altered to Stable elsewhere leaving Richmond clear of all Trains.

With a Possession such as this, Schofields-Richmond, it is usual to try and keep services on the City side of Schofields as normal as possible.  

After a Down Service has Terminated at Schofields the actual train set will generally return to the City on a earlier Up Service.
This is due to the fact that the train cannot complete the trip to Richmond and there is no room for the train to wait until its normal Timetabled Up departure time at Schofields.  

This is happening numerous times during the day and so each train set cannot work its normal Roster.
Therefore, the consist on each trip (Up and Down) could be different because of this change at Schofields.  

By the end of the day, train set types may not be in the right locations and so further re-balancing is factored into the STN before trains are Stabled.  


The above train working for this Possession is covered in STN 2011.  


- Scott.
  parraeel Chief Train Controller

This afternoon's 4:41pm (Chatswood time) service to Richmond was S sets S122/S130. This service is usually an A set. Would the trackwork between Richmond and Schofields mean that there was no A set available (stabled at RCD)?
Sir S Set

The STN has this train's consist as 8K. Normally 8A but altered working due to the STN.
  clrks Locomotive Fireman

Have K sets started running on Sector 2 now for regular service?

This morning on the East Hills Line on Tripview there was a scheduled K set run and the train that actually did do that run was indeed a K set.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
there was no A set available (stabled at RCD)?
Sir S Set
Having been in RCD at least 4 times this week, there's nothing stabled there.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
There's a Hornsby S-set currently lurking in MMC, saw it go there on Wednesday.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Have K sets started running on Sector 2 now for regular service?

This morning on the East Hills Line on Tripview there was a scheduled K set run and the train that actually did do that run was indeed a K set.
clrks


Yes.
Four (4) 8K set Rosters started running on Sector 2 from September 16, as per STN 2206.

It is planned to increase this number to ten (10) 8K sets, in 2014, as we progress with the introduction of further Waratah sets on Sector 3 and the retirement of our faithful S set Fleet on Sector 2.  


- Scott.
  clrks Locomotive Fireman

Thanks.

Thinking about the sectors actually got me wondering, for the CityRail network (now Sydney Trains and Intercity section of NSW TrainLink), what might be the longest and shortest non-stop running of a train for passenger service? What I mean is what's the longest or shortest time between a train commencing a passenger service and then terminating or otherwise being removed from service. In short, when a train will empty itself of passengers because it has reached a terminating station and will later turn around to commence another service or when a train has to empty because it is entering stabling, that's when the time stops.

I was having a think about this and the shortest running of a train would likely be the regular Olympic Park - Lidcombe services followed by the Clyde - Carlingford services. Outside of these two very short lines I'm guessing the shortest regular running of a train would be one of Bondi Junction - Hurstville or City Circle - Ashfield (when a train exits from/enters stabling) or City Circle - Revesby (when a train exits from/enters stabling).

As far as the longest non-stop running, I would suspect it would be the endless Bankstown Line/Inner West Line loop. I'm not sure if any particular train services do it, but theoretically a particular train could be circling around for the entire day without ever being removed from passenger service. An inbound Bankstown Line service after progressing around the City Circle becomes an outbound Inner West Line service, then becomes an inbound Bankstown Line service again and so on and so forth. Of course, many of the services on these lines do terminate at Ashfield or Liverpool or are otherwise put into stabling from Central.

After the introduction of the October timetable, this loop would no longer operate though.
  FullSeries Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
There is a Mill that prep's out of Mactown, does a skip stop to Campbelltown via Airport and stables straight away.
  Hendikins Junior Train Controller

Location: I'm on ur trainz, announcin' ur stationz!
I know there's at least one movement empty out of Eveleigh, passenger around the quay, empty to AMF...
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
Spotted 3 different 4 car S sets floating around in service on western line this morning.
That seems unusual to me. Maybe I have been a bad gunzelahhhh?
  sydnytrains Chief Commissioner

Location: McDonalds Front counter serving customers
Spotted 3 different 4 car S sets floating around in service on western line this morning.
That seems unusual to me. Maybe I have been a bad gunzelahhhh?
"T88"



3 different 4 car S sets on the Western Line? Don't you mean the Cumberland Line?

Anyhow, spotted a four car consist at FMC: 3044-3982-3063-3949, the cars from the previous AK car movements.
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
I note that posters cases at the last 3 stations I have visited no longer display the timetable. They have been replaced with other marketing material pushing smart phone apps.
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
3 different 4 car S sets on the Western Line? Don't you mean the Cumberland Line?

Anyhow, spotted a four car consist at FMC: 3044-3982-3063-3949, the cars from the previous AK car movements.
sydnytrains
Nope. I spotted them passing thru Lidcombe- Flemington in service.
  clrks Locomotive Fireman

Further to my post a while back about K sets on Sector 2, I don't know if it is just me, but it seems the T set no longer runs on Sector 2 at all? Well at least I haven't seen one.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Further to my post a while back about K sets on Sector 2, I don't know if it is just me, but it seems the T set no longer runs on Sector 2 at all? Well at least I haven't seen one.
clrks
Yes, no T sets are tabled to run on Sector 2.  

However, with the K set Rosters, running on Sector 2, commencing from Hornsby MC, the sets provided for these Services can also be T sets, or even S sets.  


- Scott.
  Kset56 Station Master

Location: Somewhere
What was a C set doing in sector 3 today?
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
Replacing a T-set that had issues earlier in the afternoon.
  Kset56 Station Master

Location: Somewhere
Replacing a T-set that had issues earlier in the afternoon.
Blackadder
Oh I see,thanks so that's why Run 178 was a C set today though I thought that it was supposed to be 8S.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Oh I see,thanks so that's why Run 178 was a C set today though I thought that it was supposed to be 8S.
Kset56

Yes, you are correct.

Other than A set Rosters, Sector 3 Rosters are designated to run with one of the set types either S, K, or T, however, any one of those set types can run on any of those designated Rosters.

Therefore, Roster 178, was provided by a T set, until it failed, being replaced by a C set.  


- Scott.
  clrks Locomotive Fireman

I remember reading once upon a time on this board that there are certain unusual train movements scheduled each day (usually in the early morning or late at night) to clean points, so that in a disruption these rarely used paths can be used.

Under the old timetable for example, there used to be a late night outbound Bankstown Line service that crossed over onto the "oncoming" tracks at Campsie (and picking up/dropping off passengers at platform 1) before switching back over before reaching Belmore. There were also rare services on the East Hills Line that terminated at Turrella station (this one late at night) and East Hills to clean the points there.

I see the Turrella service still exists under the new timetable, and there are a few morning trains which terminate and commence at East Hills.

But I realised that with the new express tracks between Wolli Creek and Revesby, the section of track that allows trains to switch between the express and local tracks at Beverly Hills no longer seem to be used since the express services travel on the express tracks for their full length.

Does anyone know if there are trains that still use this section of track? Also, does anyone know if the Bankstown Line still has a train that cleans points around Campsie?
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Does anyone know if there are trains that still use this section of track? Also, does anyone know if the Bankstown Line still has a train that cleans points around Campsie?
clrks

In the October 2013 Timetable:-

Weekdays, using the points at Kingsgrove:
Down Service, 62-U, 2133 hours Circular Quay to Macarthur (via Airport), due to pass Kingsgrove 2201 hours.
Up Service, 65-G, 1228 hours Macarthur to Circular Quay (via Airport), due to pass Kingsgrove 1310 hours.
Up Service, 56-V, 2128 hours Macarthur to Circular Quay (via Airport), due to pass Kingsgrove 2210 hours.  

Weekends, using Platform 1 at Campsie:
Down Service, 59-Z, 2157 hours Circular quay to Liverpool (via Bankstown), Campsie departs 2230 hours.  


- Scott.
  Airvan99 Junior Train Controller

Was on platform 18/19 at Central,the night before last and the team dispatching the trains were doing a great job. Lots of loud whistles at door close time and no delays. The seemed to be enjoying themselves.
The countdown timer on the PID is a big improvement although it doesn't completely remove all information about the train at "doors close" time.
I remember from my time in the UK that departure displays would go completely blank about a minute prior to departure. A good idea as it helps prevent passengers throwing them selves at the closing doors.
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Saw a Waratah pulling another Waratah on the Down Suburban through Summer Hill at around 3.30 in the afternoon.

Did a set under test fail?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Saw a Waratah pulling another Waratah on the Down Suburban through Summer Hill at around 3.30 in the afternoon.

Did a set under test fail?
Aurora8
I don't believe it was a set under test, it was just a "normal" failure in service.

EDIT: Was surprised to see no mention of the V-Sets on the city circle in this thread?

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