S-set Scrapping has begun

 
  Johnny_Walton Railcorp Crash Test Dummy No.1

Location: Flemington Maintenance Centre

The great S-set retirement has begun.

All maintenance centers have now transferred cars to Enfield some heavily stripped of parts for scrapping.
It appears the mothball procedure has been changed to GET RID OF MOST of them.
I believe most of the useable parts are removed from cars at the maintenance centers,
Then a live car each end of 8-cars is used to tow/drag the set to Enfield.
On arrival Enfield, after final stripping, cars are loco hauled to Chullora for the final "Blow Torch" procedure.

SO get those cameras going the end is near (well 2 years anyway)

Jono.

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  jaseee Chief Train Controller

Have all the 6-car R-sets been replaced then? Surely they wouldn't get rid of the S-sets before this happens.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
R19, being the last R set was disbanded last week. C3821 and C3842 were withdrawn. Their location now is unknown.
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Have all the 6-car R-sets been replaced then? Surely they wouldn't get rid of the S-sets before this happens.
"jaseee"


I think all 6 Car R-Sets are gone. I haven't seen one in months. Also, it's about time CityRail updates PID information about the No. of cars for former 6 car-run services.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
I think all 6 Car R-Sets are gone.
"boxythingy"


They are.
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Johnny, would you have any indication as to the reason behind this (seemingly) late change in the decision from mothballing to taking parts out and scrapping?
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
Johnny, would you have any indication as to the reason behind this (seemingly) late change in the decision from mothballing to taking parts out and scrapping?
"Aurora8"
Not Johnny here, but maybe because the Waratah's are proving reliable enough they theu don't need the moth-blaaed sets, and the stripping is so that can keep the sets in service somewhat serviceable in the meantine?

Dave
  urailes0623 Assistant Commissioner

Location: HELP

Johnny, would you have any indication as to the reason behind this (seemingly) late change in the decision from mothballing to taking parts out and scrapping?
"Aurora8"


 

I have been on leave for 5 months now, but the last thing I heard before my leave was the last of the sets to leave service are the ones to be mothballed. The Sets taken out in the beginning were to be stripped and torched as these are suppose to be the in the worst condition.

Once the mothballed fleet is surplus to requirements then they will be put to tender for preservation.

 

But this info is 5 months old.

  ivahri Train Controller

They seem to be taking their time. There has been 2-3 8 car "sets" stored at Enfield for a few weeks. By "sets" I mean carriages, mostly motor cars, only a few trailers among them. Today I noticed an additional 8 carriages stored there.  I find it sad to see these get cut up... would love to have a couple as farm accommodation.

Cheers,

Richard
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Here's your chance to buy the carriages!
http://www.locomotives-for-sale.com/rolling-stock/1500-dc-surburban-double-decker-emu-for-sale/
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Thanks urailes, guess that makes sense. At the time I was wondering along the lines of if maybe there was a new directive from higher up so she can spout to the public they're 100 per cent getting rid of the 'old, dirty trains' with no air conditioning. The way she's been going on about those initiatives to "fix the trains" recently... :rolleyes:

Wonder why they've got a V set photo on top of that ad linked above by Poath Jct.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

R19, being the last R set was disbanded last week. C3821 and C3842 were withdrawn. Their location now is unknown.
"s3_gunzel"


Those cars were built as part of the 53 power cars (C3805 - C3857) forming the first Comeng suburban d/d car order, being delivered in 1972-73.  C3842 was the second last d/d power car to be placed into service wearing tuscan red livery (cars C3844 - C3857 were delivered in the blue & white scheme).  There were several Comeng cars (including C3825 and C3866) which were early withdrawals.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

Thanks urailes, guess that makes sense. At the time I was wondering along the lines of if maybe there was a new directive from higher up so she can spout to the public they're 100 per cent getting rid of the 'old, dirty trains' with no air conditioning. The way she's been going on about those initiatives to "fix the trains" recently... :rolleyes: Wonder why they've got a V set photo on top of that ad linked above by Poath Jct.
"Aurora8"


Probably because the second series (built mid-to late-1970s) of double deck interurban cars are also being withdrawn and whoever supplied that photo to the agency involved didn't know the difference.

Again, as with the suburban double deckers, there have been a number of early withdrawals of the interurban double deckers, commencing in 1976 with the loss of DCF8004 in the Glenbrook collision.  In "The Railway News", v.58, n3, June 2012; pp65-66, Peter Neve has listed the following recent V-set car withdrawals:

28-1-2011 - DCM8023, DCM8029.
5-7-2011 - DCM8027, DCM8028, DTD9031, DCT9040.  (These cars were involved in the Medlow Bath tree incident on the same date, DCM8028 being cut up on site).
17-10-2011 - DCM8022, DCM8031.
18-10-2011 - DIM8026, DIM8034.
20-10-2011 - DCM8021, DCM8024. 
21-10-2011 - DTM8036, DTD9036.  Also DIM8020 (ex DIM8067) - out of service, 16.6.2006 (involved in the Glenbrook collision on 2.12.1999).

Eveleigh Press are planning the publication of "Coaching Stock of the NSW Railways - Volume 3: Electric Cars" in 2013 (see Australian Model Railway Magazine, August 2012 for details).
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Notice the Electric locomotives?

Are they QRN ones?

What about the 'Broad Gauge' EMU and DMU, saying they are from the UK.  Would they in fact be in Northern Ireland?
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

Thanks urailes, guess that makes sense. At the time I was wondering along the lines of if maybe there was a new directive from higher up so she can spout to the public they're 100 per cent getting rid of the 'old, dirty trains' with no air conditioning. The way she's been going on about those initiatives to "fix the trains" recently... :rolleyes: Wonder why they've got a V set photo on top of that ad linked above by Poath Jct.
"Aurora8"


Probably because the second series (built mid-to late-1970s) of double deck interurban cars are also being withdrawn and whoever supplied that photo to the agency involved didn't know the difference.

Again, as with the suburban double deckers, there have been a number of early withdrawals of the interurban double deckers, commencing in 1976 with the loss of DCF8004 in the Glenbrook collision.  In "The Railway News", v.58, n3, June 2012; pp65-66, Peter Neve has listed the following recent V-set car withdrawals:

28-1-2011 - DCM8023, DCM8029.
5-7-2011 - DCM8027, DCM8028, DTD9031, DCT9040.  (These cars were involved in the Medlow Bath tree incident on the same date, DCM8028 being cut up on site).
17-10-2011 - DCM8022, DCM8031.
18-10-2011 - DIM8026, DIM8034.
20-10-2011 - DCM8021, DCM8024. 
21-10-2011 - DTM8036, DTD9036.  Also DIM8020 (ex DIM8067) - out of service, 16.6.2006 (involved in the Glenbrook collision on 2.12.1999).

Eveleigh Press are planning the publication of "Coaching Stock of the NSW Railways - Volume 3: Electric Cars" in 2013 (see Australian Model Railway Magazine, August 2012 for details).
"electrax"


The 45 & 46 class electric locos have been dealt with by Eveleigh Press in 2011 in "Portrait of a Classic - 46"
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

A bit more info on the L-sets:

"Electric Train Notes - South Coast L-Sets Replaced", The Railway News, v58, n2, January 2012; pp46-47.

As from 23-10-2011, the last two rosters for 3-car L-Sets - the last non-airconditioned CityRail trains to operate on the Illawarra line:

Set L1 - C3823, D4010, C3751.

Set L2 - C3763, D4005, C3757.

Before the first Tangaras appeared, the "T" target plates were reserved for the 2-car d/d sets using the driving trailers from the 4021 - 4095 numbering range. 
 
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
A bit more info on the L-sets:

"Electric Train Notes - South Coast L-Sets Replaced", The Railway News, v58, n2, January 2012; pp46-47.

As from 23-10-2011, the last two rosters for 3-car L-Sets - the last non-airconditioned CityRail trains to operate on the Illawarra line:

Set L1 - C3823, D4010, C3751.

Set L2 - C3763, D4005, C3757.

Before the first Tangaras appeared, the "T" target plates were reserved for the 2-car d/d sets using the driving trailers from the 4021 - 4095 numbering range. 
 
"electrax"


As an addition to the above, Mortdales L3 was transferred to FMC to become L13, and it has now been broken up into an S Set (the number of which I have misplaced).
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Raichase, look here.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

Raichase, look here.
"Aurora8"


As built, the Comeng suburban d/d cars C3805 - C3986 & C3741 - C3765 (control motors), T4921 - T4987 (non-control trailers) and D4011 - D4095 (control trailers) were operated as independent cars, and were mixed with the early Goninan suburban d/d cars C3001 - C3080 (control motors) and T4101 - T4170 (non-control trailers), which were also independent stock. 

The 75 Comeng driving trailers numbered D4021 - D4095 had the same body shell as the control motors numbered C3741 - C3765 & C3858 - C3986, except for the lack of a pantograph well.  The driving trailers later numbered 4001 - 4010 were the renumbering of 10 cars in the D4071 - D4095 series.

The first "tied" pairs of the Sydney d/d fleet were the Goninan K set cars C3501 - C3504 (paired with D4096 - D4099), K set cars C3505 - C3580 (paired with T4171 - T4246) and C set cars C3581 - C3608 (paired with 
T4247 - T4274).     
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

A note on the use of the F111 target plates on the 2-car d/d set (DCF.8001 and DDC.9001) forming the publicity run from Sydney to Gosford on 10 June 1970:

The F111 target plate placed on the leading car ex Sydney Terminal was entirely unofficial and represented a stir by someone to make a statement about the F111C Aardvark jet fighter-bombers then on order for the Royal Australian Air Force.  (These served the RAAF from 1973 to 2010).  The late Geoff Johnson, for many years editor of "Railway Transportation", once told me that the placement of the F111 target plate on the front of the d/d set didn't impress the NSWGR administration of the day, and it was removed prior to the train heading north, but not before a photo had been taken by the media.  (Have a look at the photos of DCF.8001 and DDC.9001 taken on the same day at Hawkesbury River that illustrated the feature article on these cars in the July 1970 issue of "Railway Transportation"). 

I particularly remember the above target plate incident because I was doing my National Service at the time and some fellow members of the Australian Army expressed interest in it.


  Goose Chief Train Controller

A note on the use of the F111 target plates on the 2-car d/d set (DCF.8001 and DDC.9001) forming the publicity run from Sydney to Gosford on 10 June 1970:

The F111 target plate placed on the leading car ex Sydney Terminal was entirely unofficial and represented a stir by someone to make a statement about the F111C Aardvark jet fighter-bombers then on order for the Royal Australian Air Force. (These served the RAAF from 1973 to 2010). The late Geoff Johnson, for many years editor of "Railway Transportation", once told me that the placement of the F111 target plate on the front of the d/d set didn't impress the NSWGR administration of the day, and it was removed prior to the train heading north, but not before a photo had been taken by the media. (Have a look at the photos of DCF.8001 and DDC.9001 taken on the same day at Hawkesbury River that illustrated the feature article on these cars in the July 1970 issue of "Railway Transportation").

I particularly remember the above target plate incident because I was doing my National Service at the time and some fellow members of the Australian Army expressed interest in it.

"electrax"


It was put on at Flemington Car Sheds just as it was departing.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

A note on the use of the F111 target plates on the 2-car d/d set (DCF.8001 and DDC.9001) forming the publicity run from Sydney to Gosford on 10 June 1970:

The F111 target plate placed on the leading car ex Sydney Terminal was entirely unofficial and represented a stir by someone to make a statement about the F111C Aardvark jet fighter-bombers then on order for the Royal Australian Air Force. (These served the RAAF from 1973 to 2010). The late Geoff Johnson, for many years editor of "Railway Transportation", once told me that the placement of the F111 target plate on the front of the d/d set didn't impress the NSWGR administration of the day, and it was removed prior to the train heading north, but not before a photo had been taken by the media. (Have a look at the photos of DCF.8001 and DDC.9001 taken on the same day at Hawkesbury River that illustrated the feature article on these cars in the July 1970 issue of "Railway Transportation").

I particularly remember the above target plate incident because I was doing my National Service at the time and some fellow members of the Australian Army expressed interest in it.

"electrax"


It was put on at Flemington Car Sheds just as it was departing.
"Goose"


thanks.  Back to the Comeng suburban cars:  C3825 was the first withdrawal and was the only tuscan red d/d motor car to be removed from the register in that livery.  Into service, 1972. Burnt out (by vandalism) whilst stowed in the Up siding between Collingwood viaduct and Liverpool station, 1973.  Condemned and sent to Apprentices Training Centre, Elcar.  Noted stored at Elcar, 1991 still unrepaired.  Probably went in the big cleanup at Elcar circa 1992.

 
  belfordrocks South Coast G Set

Any pictures of the scrapping in process? Just curious...
  ivahri Train Controller

Any pictures of the scrapping in process? Just curious...
"belfordrocks"


None seem to have left Enfield yet. As of last Friday they still didn't seem to have moved.

Also for those that collect numbers, the earliest I could see was C3809. If anyone wants numbers I can take a camera tomorrow & get those that are visible from the road.

Cheers,


Richard
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

Any pictures of the scrapping in process? Just curious...
"belfordrocks"


None seem to have left Enfield yet. As of last Friday they still didn't seem to have moved.

Also for those that collect numbers, the earliest I could see was C3809. If anyone wants numbers I can take a camera tomorrow & get those that are visible from the road.

Cheers,


Richard
"ivahri"


C3877 was another early withdrawal; around 30 years or so ago.

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