No Passenger Rail to Beaudesert Until 2026!

 
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Construction of a rail corridor running from Salisbury to Beaudesert delayed until 2026
by: Angela Ranke, The Southern Star
From: Quest Newspapers
October 31, 2012 12:00AM

Construction of a rail corridor running from Salisbury to Beaudesert won't start until 2026, 10 years after Brisbane's trains are expected to hit capacity. The 53km double-track rail corridor was planned in 2010 to deal with the extra 279,000 people expected to descend on Brisbane and 174,000 more for Logan by 2031. But RAIL Back On Track spokesman Robert Dow slammed the idea of waiting for the area's growth to occur, saying Brisbane's public transport system was forecast to hit capacity in 2016.

"It's going to be desperately too late by 2026," he said. "We've got a false sense of security."

Mr Dow said Queensland needed to implement the infrastructure as soon as possible. "Queensland has the opportunity to grasp the moment," he said.

Sunnybank commuter John Warbrick said an extra train line needed to be built to combat the "chock-a-block" congestion around Beaudesert and Compton roads. "The growth of the southwest suburbs is so strong and it's a socio-economic area that is affordable for young families who need public transport," he said.

Salisbury commuter Sheryl Irwin said any extra services would help. "We need to link up all the lines better," she said.

The estimated $1.2billion to $1.8billion project will join the $475million Richlands to Springfield project, the second stage of the Darra to Springfield Transport Corridor. The 9.5km railway is on track to be delivered by late 2013 while the project's 5.5km of road upgrade and three new road bridges are scheduled for completion by early 2014.

A spokeswoman for Transport Minister Scott Emerson was unable to provide news of any progress for the Salisbury to Beaudesert rail corridor. "At this stage there are no further plans for the Salisbury to Beaudesert rail corridor," she said. Overwhelmingly positive feedback was received during the public consultation period for the rail corridor in late 2010.

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  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
I would have thought that a passenger rail service to Beaudesert would have been one of the cheaper projects with benefits appearing right away as the track already exists. 
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I would have thought that a passenger rail service to Beaudesert would have been one of the cheaper projects with benefits appearing right away as the track already exists.
"GeoffreyHansen"


A separate passenger track was planned and the existing track to be freight only. Of course the gauge is different. How much is now dual gauged?
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Merivale Bridge traffic congestion forced to cope with following trains; [1] the Gold Coast, [2] Beenleigh, [3] Cleveland [4] Bromelton / Acacia Ridge / Greenbank. Will the cross river rail tunnel or the Bromelton 1067mm gauge passenger rail come first?
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Could it be arranged for Bromelton passengers to change at Salisbury or Park Road?
  cuthbert Train Controller

Construction of a rail corridor running from Salisbury to Beaudesert delayed until 2026
"Graham4405"


I know you quoted media trash, but that date was announced in 2010 after the TMR's 2008 call for reports was made.

The project has not been delayed!

The Cross River tunnel must be constructed first, as the metro pass network is unable to cater for the new capacity required to run trains to service the Greater Flagstone region.

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Projects/S/Salisbury to Beaudesert Rail Corridor Study/REF/Pdf_salisbury_beaudesert_rail_corridor_study_ref_exec_summary.pdf

Google it, as the link wont work here.


  Draffa Chief Commissioner

There's already a railway to Beaudesert.  The trains would just connect to the current network at Bethania instead of Kagaru-Sailsbury. Wink
And why does every train have to go into the city?  Surely some of the less-patronised services could terminate somewhere outside the CBD and passengers change trains?  Have we really gotten that soft?

  richard Junior Train Controller

Location: brisbane
May be off topic, but maybe a slight intersection.  I don't know the geography or demographics of the southside as well as I should, but we focus on getting people on the Beaudesert line out to Bethania, or using the the current 4'8.5" track.  Is there some way the line could slew and meet the Richlands line and go into the city obviating the need to cross the Merivale bridge. 

On another tack, is there value in continuing the Richlands line to meet the Beenleigh line and so open up rail access to a range of other suburbs
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
May be off topic, but maybe a slight intersection. I don't know the geography or demographics of the southside as well as I should, but we focus on getting people on the Beaudesert line out to Bethania, or using the the current 4'8.5" track. Is there some way the line could slew and meet the Richlands line and go into the city obviating the need to cross the Merivale bridge.

On another tack, is there value in continuing the Richlands line to meet the Beenleigh line and so open up rail access to a range of other suburbs
"richard"


Re the cross town public transport services out that way; Years ago the BCC started the "Great Circle Bus" that went cross country. Also, half a century ago the Inala Bus Company  operated services from Oxley and Inala areas across to Moorvale for the tram service connections, as well as to the Rocklea Industrial estate on Evans Rd.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
There's already a railway to Beaudesert.
"Draffa"


Try running trains on it! Rather unfriendly alignment for a modern commuter railway, and going the long way round. A more direct route would be much better.

Is there some way the line could slew and meet the Richlands line and go into the city obviating the need to cross the Merivale bridge.
"richard"


The logical way to do that would be to follow the SG alignment to Greenbank and then swing west to Springfield (the Richlands line is already being extended to Springfield). It could work, but doesn't open much area up to new rail services and again is a bit of a long way round too.
  Draffa Chief Commissioner

Try running trains on it! Rather unfriendly alignment for a modern commuter railway,
"Graham4405"
Obviously the existing alignment shouldn't be used as-is (although there's probably not much that can be done about the approach to Bethania), but a lot of the existing small, unnecessary (in this age of earthmoving equipment) turns etc could be easily eliminated.

The 'direct' route as proposed in the report is 'better', but will also cost a shedload of money.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Interesting option to connect Spingfield to Greenbank, not that far and probably plenty of cheap options to get there. However following the SG enables to run near Browns Plains and a few others that would be effectively by-passed by going to Springfield.

Long term there is also the plan to have the Springfield line swing west and head into Redbank Plains.

With current BD branch, lets forget the comments of building new track exactly on the old alignment to the nearest mm and allow for some realtively low cost curve easing etc. Issue is the whole 45km line goes from a small town fo a few thousand through not alot more for most of the way to a station still 25-30km from the city. Jimboomba is a growing hub that is worthy, but this line goes the wrong direction and it won't attract many users.

Closer in is a bit different with a small branch to from Bethania to Logan Village more than viable as time goes by, perhaps not justifing more than a single line shuttle connecting to Beeneligh trains for a few years, but with that new massive Yarabilbra estate rescently that started ground works, things will change quickly. Logan Village is also expanding quickly outside this estate. Potentially the line in future would continue on a moderised alignment through the Yarabillba estate following the old branch to Canungra to Terminus Tamborine Village.

For Greenbank route, Jimbooba is unlikely to ever have a railway station again as I suspect they will follow the SG corrdiore closely, which will probably encourage development around the stations. Undullah seems to have been pegged out for a significant development, which will be right on the route. I also question if we will ever see a train in Beasdesert again for same reason. although it would make some sense to head due south from Undullah, along the back of the Cedar Grove along a modernised alignment on old route to Beadesert.

So stations

Acica Ridge
Algester/Forest Lake
Browns Plains
Green Bank
Undullah/Maclean/Jimboomba West
Cedar Grove
Beadesert





  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
Neither the freight corridor nor the old corridor are particularly useful imo. Both too far away from the population.

As much as I dislike building railways along freeway/expressway corridors, the Calam Rd-Mt Lindesay Hwy corridor is the one that needs to be followed in this instance. Without serving the Sunnybank, Sunnybank Hills, Browns Plains etc. the service becomes nothing more than a park and ride commuter service, forever running at a huge loss and completely useless for anything other than office workers going to Brisbane in the morning and back in the evening. 
  Draffa Chief Commissioner

Wasn't there also some master plan dealing with an old cane farm down the way?  Someone wanted to turn it into a motorsport park?  Or was that closed to the Gold Coast?   No, I'm not thinking of the now-closed Darlington Park.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Neither the freight corridor nor the old corridor are particularly useful imo. Both too far away from the population.

As much as I dislike building railways along freeway/expressway corridors, the Calam Rd-Mt Lindesay Hwy corridor is the one that needs to be followed in this instance. Without serving the Sunnybank, Sunnybank Hills, Browns Plains etc. the service becomes nothing more than a park and ride commuter service, forever running at a huge loss and completely useless for anything other than office workers going to Brisbane in the morning and back in the evening.
"drwaddles"


I think you are right on the suggested route (but not so much on the freeway option), but cost will probably be far more expensive that route that it never gets built. I think this line will be one of those "we are building railway line here", development will done around it.

regards
Shane
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
I think this line will be one of those "we are building railway line here", development will done around it.
"RTT_Rules"


Nah, that's not going to happen. How can you develop around all-night freight corridor which will only get busier and noiser? How do you develop around the rail line when the majority of suburbia is already there and built around the Mt Lindesay Hwy corridor? If it's being built for Flagstone only then it is a huge waste of money when it could and should be serving that entire 5-10km wide Mt Lindesay hwy corridor.
  simonl Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Neither the freight corridor nor the old corridor are particularly useful imo. Both too far away from the population.

As much as I dislike building railways along freeway/expressway corridors, the Calam Rd-Mt Lindesay Hwy corridor is the one that needs to be followed in this instance. Without serving the Sunnybank, Sunnybank Hills, Browns Plains etc. the service becomes nothing more than a park and ride commuter service, forever running at a huge loss and completely useless for anything other than office workers going to Brisbane in the morning and back in the evening.
"drwaddles"

How are you going to get that railway line in?  Tunnel?

More achievable to put it on the interstate line's corridor and develop around it later.  It's already developed on one side.  Not sure why on the interstate corridor the line would be a waste but a few kms to the east it isn't?
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
May be off topic, but maybe a slight intersection. I don't know the geography or demographics of the southside as well as I should, but we focus on getting people on the Beaudesert line out to Bethania, or using the the current 4'8.5" track. Is there some way the line could slew and meet the Richlands line and go into the city obviating the need to cross the Merivale bridge.

On another tack, is there value in continuing the Richlands line to meet the Beenleigh line and so open up rail access to a range of other suburbs
"richard"


Re the cross town public transport services out that way; Years ago the BCC started the "Great Circle Bus" that went cross country. Also, half a century ago the Inala Bus Company operated services from Oxley and Inala areas across to Moorvale for the tram service connections, as well as to the Rocklea Industrial estate on Evans Rd.
"petan"


Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but the Inals Bus Service never ran services to the Moorvale tram terminus, The original owners of the Inala BusService and Sunnypank Bus service were Mr Fitzgerald and Mr Pogolli who started off as partners but split with Mr Fitzgreald taking the Inala side of the operation and called it the Inala Bus Service which ran services to the Darra Rail Station as a co-ordinated service.  Sunnybank has a service (school bus that ran as far as the Ritchie Road State School morning and afternoon as a school service but the services did not conetect with the Inala services and Inala definarely did not operate to the Moorvale tram.
Inals did for a time operate a workers service that ran from Inala to Rocklea for a number of years. 
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I think this line will be one of those "we are building railway line here", development will done around it.
"RTT_Rules"


Nah, that's not going to happen. How can you develop around all-night freight corridor which will only get busier and noiser? How do you develop around the rail line when the majority of suburbia is already there and built around the Mt Lindesay Hwy corridor? If it's being built for Flagstone only then it is a huge waste of money when it could and should be serving that entire 5-10km wide Mt Lindesay hwy corridor.
"drwaddles"


For the money you will save you could build the houses and give them away for a cheap price. If you resume say a km of 1 line houses that follow a road, average spacing of 25m each = 40 houses x $500k in purchase and compensation = $20m, then road diversions, other compensation, infrastructure relocaton etc etc quickly sends money over $200m/km going by recent projects. this compared to following an existing corridore. Viaduct construction is about $20m/km just for the viaduct, tunneling much more. unfortunately a corridore was never left for rail. probably why Springfield is getting their line over areas much more deserving.

This rail corridore moves about 8 trains each way per day, increasing by 100% (unlikely to happen in next 20 years) still makes it just 32 trains a day. The more noiser locations can be controlled. The alt you want to provide two rail corridores, one very busy by day and evening, the other mostly at night. And for those in the middle? One of the avanatages of combined road and rail or in thise case rail and rail corridores is noise is constrained to one corridore.

I agree divert where possible and practical as close as possible to the 'burbs and existing population, but a modern line this far away from CBD is never going to have significant "walk up" traffic as the station spacing is usually further apart (~2-3km) and stations are larger footprint to cater for park'n'ride, bus interchange, kiss'n'ride, taxi's etc.

AR has alot of development to nth of line
Algester to south
HillsCrest/Browns Plains both sides
Greenbank, there will never be much walk up traffic here in near future but progressively large blocks may become smaller, but large catchment both sides
Flagstone/Undallah, Flagstone is developing, Undallah will not be far away
From here I would divert from SG and also reduce tracks to single track to Beadesert with passing loop and platform at Cedar Grove.

regards
Shane


  cuthbert Train Controller

Greenbank, there will never be much walk up traffic here in near future but progressively large blocks may become smaller
"RTT_Rules"


Do some research on the ULDA (Save Greenbank, Greater Flagstone area - Google it), as they have major development plans either approved or approval pending on the western side of the interstate line (Greenbank is the first big one, both sides of the line near the proposed station). The tree clearing has already happened, all the way out to Teviot Brook. There is a Framework for a major Industrial area at Bromelton and a lesser one at North Mclean. They are proposing High Density housing at Greenbank and already, the new housing estates in the last 5 years on either side of Beudesert Rd out to Hilcrest are already there. True, Beaudesert Rd is only a "nightmare" in peak hour now, but in another 10 years, it will be like Sydney's GW Freeway having to add two new lanes every ten years with the increased traffic if nothing is done about a rail service. I think it's vital to get the commuter rail out to Greenbank, or at least the proposed station near Browns Plains ASAP.

Why I say Greenbank, is the fact that Jimboomba has been growing and people will Park and Ride from Greenbank where there is plenty of room to have a massive Crime Car Park. I don't know if there is much room left for that near Browns Plains.
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
I suspect you and I have done this topic before in the past...
How are you going to get that railway line in? Tunnel?
"simonl"


Tunnelled north of Compton Road. Surface with appropriate bridges south of there along Mt Lindesay Hwy.

More achievable to put it on the interstate line's corridor and develop around it later. It's already developed on one side. Not sure why on the interstate corridor the line would be a waste but a few kms to the east it isn't?
"simonl"


Because it's at the far western edge of the development corridor and bypasses all centres of any significance. South of the current edge of suburbia, the corridor should sit ~1.5-2km west of Mt Lindesay Hwy in a greenfield location to get the optimum outcomes. Unfortunately it's too easy to go down the crap shared corridor options.

  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
half a century ago the Inala Bus Company operated services from Oxley and Inala areas across to Moorvale for the tram service connections, as well as to the Rocklea Industrial estate on Evans Rd.
"petan"


Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but the Inals Bus Service never ran services to the Moorvale tram terminus, The original owners of the Inala BusService and Sunnypank Bus service were Mr Fitzgerald and Mr Pogolli who started off as partners but split with Mr Fitzgreald taking the Inala side of the operation and called it the Inala Bus Service which ran services to the Darra Rail Station as a co-ordinated service. Sunnybank has a service (school bus that ran as far as the Ritchie Road State School morning and afternoon as a school service but the services did not conetect with the Inala services and Inala definarely did not operate to the Moorvale tram.
Inals did for a time operate a workers service that ran from Inala to Rocklea for a number of years.
"Mufreight"


By "Moorvale tram terminus"  I assume you mean the major shopping center at the Mayfield Rd Beaudesert Rd intersection. That teminus was for Moorooka 51 services.The end of the tracks after 1941 was the Salisbury 71 service to the Compo Rd, later renamed Evans Rd, Tarragindi Rd intersection at the later Cottees factory at Salisbury. There was also another service to Salisbury 61 near Kibby St opposite the later English Electric site. I recall Inala buses at this site outside EE as it was a convenient triangle with a workers car park in the middle of the large road triangle.

Several bus tram connections possible at Moorvale including the BCC Clifton Hill / North Quay 3C service that eventually ended up somewhere over down near Keats St Moorooka. Forget the exact terminus location as I used to occasionally get on at the Moorvale shops for the run into the city? I used the trams more then the buses at Moorvale unless it was pouring rain as the buses loaded at the road side with shelter from the shop awnings. Trams meant a walk out into the middle of the road in pouring rain!

In my time the manager of the Sunnybank Bus Company was a Mr Osbourne or a similar sounding name. I do not have pictures to prove Inala buses did operate peak hour services from the Moorvale shops but I thought I remembered the Inala buses there as they were different to the usual Sunnybank buses. But that would not be the first time memories have been wrong or fuzzy on Railpage. 

Thanks for your other background facts about those buses as they are part of my memories.

Sorry all, you can now have your Beaudesert thread back.

Another more on topic memory from the 1960s was Greyhound operated a late arvo southbound Beaudesert direction service from Brisbane through Moorvale. Not sure how far south it went as the people I knew did not go as far as Beaudesert. They used it for secondary school transport so I assume there was also an inbound morning service.

EDIT; Railpage has improved as the inverted commas  "Moorvale tram terminus" are now working again. For a while inverted commas seemed to have been ignored by the computer coding.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Back in my aus.rail newsgroup era there used to be a bloke called Draffin or similar name who used to know all about the services of Park Ridge Transit out through Moorooka /Moorvale along Beaudesert Rd to the western Logan area as well as all the interconnections through that area. Not sure if he is on Railpage?



  cuthbert Train Controller

Unfortunately it's too easy to go down the crap shared corridor options.
"drwaddles"


Well it's a cheaper option and I'm sure the Commuters would have no issues driving 3, 4 or 10 KMs to a parking station to catch a regular train than do an hour's drive in Peak both ways to park in the CBD or 45 mins drive to the highly established Industrial areas of Acacia Ridge and Coopers Plains that will be serviced by the proposed new line!
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
Unfortunately it's too easy to go down the crap shared corridor options.
"drwaddles"


Well it's a cheaper option and I'm sure the Commuters would have no issues driving 3, 4 or 10 KMs to a parking station to catch a regular train than do an hour's drive in Peak both ways to park in the CBD or 45 mins drive to the highly established Industrial areas of Acacia Ridge and Coopers Plains that will be serviced by the proposed new line!
"cuthbert"


If they have a car. If they can buy a second car, just to sit at the station all day. If they don't mind a long walk from the station to work at Acacia Ridge and Coopers Plains. If they don't mind driving well out of their way to get to the station in the first place. if they just don't drive anyway...

CBD commuters are a market but a small market and that's all this line serves.

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