NREC Australian Demonstrator Genset?

 
  SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
I was given to understand ( by someone in the business..i.e rail ) that the Gensets were only ever intended as a lease type affair to El Zorro. That EZ simply were the lead-user of this type, not the owner. I was told they always were to be still an assett of NRE.

NRE were simply after some outfit to give them a go. The deal was sweet for Evans and Co  ( so im led to believe )  it being a win-win type affair.

Now the units are here Im sure theyll be taken up by someone pretty quickly.  I mean, new high power units, Full company maintenance and backing etc etc.. you could hardly lose short of them being an unmitigated failure and given theyve been proven o/s as reasonably handy machines I doubt that will be the case.

Love to see them on 1600 Smile

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
..... I mean, new high power units,......
SPSD40T2
That they are not. Only 2150hp available for traction according to the company spec sheet.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There are a large number of these units in use in the USA but they are more used as shunters as I understand.  Ray Evans had some excellent ideas about how to use these units but perhaps his business did not have the capacity to assist him realise his dream.

NREC were after a customer and could not find one.  As I said, I believe the units might actually be owned by AWB.  It is one thing to need locomotives, it is another to be able to convince a funder you can afford them and even if the funder was prepared to take some risk, they would need some accurate accounts.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

In the US the Class 1 operators are using gensets mostly for switching and transfers, but short line operators are starting to adopt them to replace their ageing rosters. NREC probably saw the smaller Australian players as their target market for the same reason. With the small operators starting to disappear all of a sudden, NREC is going to have re-explore its target market and convince the likes of Aurizon and PN they need a couple of new mid-sized locos.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

In the US the Class 1 operators are using gensets mostly for switching and transfers, but short line operators are starting to adopt them to replace their ageing rosters. NREC probably saw the smaller Australian players as their target market for the same reason. With the small operators starting to disappear all of a sudden, NREC is going to have re-explore its target market and convince the likes of Aurizon and PN they need a couple of new mid-sized locos.
Sulla1
I thought they were originally targetted at markets like California that had tougher pollutions laws and the ability to idle on one genset with lower emmisions was very attractive to the bigger railroads. I think the other market was Texas. I am sure in USA states with less touger controls there are plenty of older SD & GP types that can do the switching task. The last switcher built was EMD MP15 and that was some time ago and did not sell that well because the railroads had plenty of surplus power to do the job.

I really cannot see what the attraction is for such locos in Australia as there is plenty of 2nd Gen locos around to do the task. There is a You Tube video of multiple UP gensets hauling a huge transfer freight which is probably longer than any freight train here. But again I think it was taken in California.

Cheers

Rod
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Companies like BNSF and UP (and any other operator in that state) do get financial incentives from California and Texas to replace conventional locomotives with low emission alternatives, but the genset concept has spread east too. There are at least three builders and their models can be found in the mid-west and the eastern states - and most of the latter are on shortlines including those owned by Genesee and Wyoming. These locos aren't just about reducing emissions, they're also about reducing fuel consumption and running costs. Of course whether those reduced costs make up for up front cost is a question still being answered I think...and that's the issue to be grappled with in the Australian context.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Would you have to see perhaps more short haul rail work going on for gensets to be more of a smart option, or as intra-city tugs. In the road game, dont know if it still happens, you had weighted prime movers setup just to pull the dolly and 1 trailer into places like perth where road trains couldnt go? Your big inter city locos, say 3500+hp come to a staging area outside of town where they pick up their next outbound trains, while some of these gensets shunt the train into the doc to unload etc.

the old short haul runs, or low wagon numer trains probably arnt viable these days, although on the toc that El Zorro was doing must have been viable with a T and a Y on it with 20 wagons, or less.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Perhaps they're viable replacements for the aging fleet of locomotives used on Sydney trip trains? As much as it would pain me to see the back of the daily ALCo parade, it might be a more viable option than buying brand new 4000+hp locos at high expense.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I can't see it working in and around Sydney , not enough guts for todays trains even some yard shunters . When you can beat an 81 class used as a shunt engine I don't see those things doing too well . I think it's one of those concepts that works if the EPA has a gun to your head but not otherwise . The real answer is probably a small light removable diesel APU , if necessary on a flat wagon behind your shunt engine . Enough to keep up low tension supply and main res air , could probably have a small elec compressor on the flat with the genset .
  PILBARAMAN Train Controller

Location: PILBARA
I can't see it working in and around Sydney , not enough guts for todays trains even some yard shunters . When you can beat an 81 class used as a shunt engine I don't see those things doing too well . I think it's one of those concepts that works if the EPA has a gun to your head but not otherwise . The real answer is probably a small light removable diesel APU , if necessary on a flat wagon behind your shunt engine . Enough to keep up low tension supply and main res air , could probably have a small elec compressor on the flat with the genset .
"BDA"

Put 2 together and it's probably close to what a flexibible close short haul company are looking at using them for IMHO.With a DPU flexibility.
  Hendo Deputy Commissioner

I can only report what I see on the photograph

On 10/04/2013 1203 was sitting outside at the the eastern end of the main Mount Vernon assembly hall

Painted grey/orange/yellow with the El Zoro logo on the side

Unable to speculate if the logo is still present when the loco lands in Australia, or if 1203 has been repainted
jmt
Someone should get as many pics of the loco in el Zorro colours before repaint for the inevitable model of those loco's when the companies run out of diesels to do -A "fallen flag" would be a bit of a collector.

Cheers,
Hendo
  davek79 Beginner

I saw the 1201 and 1202 engines parked at Junction St, Telarah (South Maitland Railways) yesterday. With the normally large coal trains that run in the Hunter Valley, if these are lower powered engines then the only application I could see for them is for the coal train servicing the Austar mine south of Cessnock.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I saw the 1201 and 1202 engines parked at Junction St, Telarah (South Maitland Railways) yesterday. With the normally large coal trains that run in the Hunter Valley, if these are lower powered engines then the only application I could see for them is for the coal train servicing the Austar mine south of Cessnock.
davek79
Not every train in that area is a coal train, and just because they are there now doesn't mean that's where they will end up being used.
  Gaz170 Junior Train Controller

Location: Gold Coast
I saw the 1201 and 1202 engines parked at Junction St, Telarah (South Maitland Railways) yesterday. With the normally large coal trains that run in the Hunter Valley, if these are lower powered engines then the only application I could see for them is for the coal train servicing the Austar mine south of Cessnock.
davek79
Any idea who is running them now?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Any idea who is running them now?
Gaz170
No-one yet as far as I know BUT........

NRE Introduces More Multi Engine N-ViroMotive Locomotives into Australia




The US based locomotive manufacturer and supplier, National Railway Equipment Company (NRE), is pleased to announce that it has won a contract to supply seven Multi Engine N-ViroMotive locomotives to Australian rail operator, Pacific National, an operating division of Asciano Limited, for operation in the BlueScope Port Kembla Steelworks.


The supply contract to Pacific National expands NRE’s introduction of new technology N-ViroMotive locomotives to the Australian Rail industry and provides operationally efficient, reduced fuel use, flexible, quiet technology to traditional locomotive operations.



The new NRE N-ViroMotive units will increase safety, comfort and efficiency while substantially reducing the carbon footprint, noise and emissions in rail operations


The N-ViroMotive locomotives are due to begin arriving in Australia in mid-2014.



In keeping with NRE’s strategic direction for a world based, flexible, environmentally friendly design, NRE was able to offer to Pacific National a locomotive that meets stringent local conditions and specific operational requirements for the Port Kembla Steelworks. These locomotives share the same gen sets, control system and other critical key components with the NRE Australian “Regional Rail Strategy” based 1200 Class locomotives supplied into Australia in May 2013.


This order will bring the number of NRE Locomotives in Australia to more than 20, with additional units nearing completion for expected delivery to Australia during the remaining 2013.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Looks like Australian gensets are about to find their niche.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Sadly, this might be the beginning of the end of the EE's though?
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
Although that article seems to indicate that it's a seperate deal to the two 1200 locos that are already here. Since they're demonstrators, I wonder if they will go to PN until their own locos arrive or will they be used by a different operator?
  M636C Minister for Railways

Looks like Australian gensets are about to find their niche.
Sulla1

BHP Newcastle were the largest Australian operator of GE twin engine shunters which could do many of the things the new genset units could do, although under manual control (shutting down an engine when idling or lightly loaded).

M636C
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
These locomotives are used in Oak Point Yard in NYC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Point_Yard

In 2009, CSX announced that four ultra-low emission GenSet locomotives will operate full-time at its Oak Point Yard where they will be used to switch cars within the yard and for road switching service. The GenSet locomotives, manufactured by National Railway Equipment Company, reduce nitrous oxide and particulate matter emissions by 80 percent and can reduce carbon dioxide emissions by approximately 50 percent by monitoring engine idling and switching to "sleep" mode after a period of inactivity.[1]
Somebody

http://yonkersrails.com/id60.html

Regards
Brian
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

These locomotives are used in Oak Point Yard in NYC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Point_Yard


http://yonkersrails.com/id60.html

Regards
Brian
bevans
Drove past Oaks Point Yard a few weeks ago whilst in NY but did not realise they used Gen Sets as a look would have been worthwhile. I was actually there for family reasons not to gawk at trains however.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
A little food for thought on the US based gensets....

http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?15,3103806

Canadian Pacific: Retiring the two they have.
CSX: Spend half the time in the workshops.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Since someone wanted to sell them an "actual" locomotive , thats a good one . Coupling the toy to an SD50 for pull power , think that tells the real story . Wonder if the SD50 shuts down every time the truck motors do ?
Its hard to say if operators here would stump up the cash to do an Eco EMD type rebuild on the old GMs .
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Since someone wanted to sell them an "actual" locomotive , thats a good one . Coupling the toy to an SD50 for pull power , think that tells the real story . Wonder if the SD50 shuts down every time the truck motors do ?
Its hard to say if operators here would stump up the cash to do an Eco EMD type rebuild on the old GMs .
"BDA"


Aurizon might with their 2170s...they will still need something to run through the Toowoomba Range tunnels for some considerable time yet. The 8-710 engine should fit into them.

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