Return of the redhens and belair depot closure

 
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
i have checked the NRM website and have found nothing except a date for the return of the redhens, does anyone have any clues as to what that means; tourist redhen rail services to the country, redhens operating on the metro network on sundays, daily redhen rides at the NRM or services on the burra line as i have read in another thread that rail line work was observed at the rosewater line turnout at gawler.

does anyone know if the belair line depot at belair is being closed down from the january shutdown onwards or if that is a myth!!!    Laughing

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  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
I believe the brochure is about the Redhens performing shuttle runs between the NRM & Adelaide Station over a weekend, as part of the museum celebrating 50 years. But there's pretty much no chance of seeing them elsewhere, although there's a slight chance they might do a run or two to Seaford once it opens as a celebratory thing.
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
i have checked the NRM website and have found nothing except a date for the return of the redhens, does anyone have any clues as to what that means; tourist redhen rail services to the country, redhens operating on the metro network on sundays, daily redhen rides at the NRM or services on the burra line as i have read in another thread that rail line work was observed at the rosewater line turnout at gawler.

does anyone know if the belair line depot at belair is being closed down from the january shutdown onwards or if that is a myth!!! Laughing
"Heath Loxton"


A myth I think, I've not heard or seen anything in my area of operations. 
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
....... i have read in another thread that rail line work was observed at the rosewater line turnout at gawler...
"Heath Loxton"


Huh??? maybe someone can decode this part of the comment?

The "rosewater line" at Gawler? Has someone shifted a suburb??
  Guard Class 2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Elizabeth,South Australia
If you mean the ROSEWORTHY line turnout just past Gawler, that was relaid during the Gawler line shutdown, as it is used by railcars as a means of accessing the siding where they store the railcars at night.
  Guard Class 2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Elizabeth,South Australia
And common sense would suggest that the Belair Depot will close for the 6-8 months that the line will be closed, but would most likely reopen again when the line reopens in mid to late 2013.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
i have checked the NRM website and have found nothing except a date for the return of the redhens, does anyone have any clues as to what that means; tourist redhen rail services to the country, redhens operating on the metro network on sundays, daily redhen rides at the NRM or services on the burra line as i have read in another thread that rail line work was observed at the rosewater line turnout at gawler.

does anyone know if the belair line depot at belair is being closed down from the january shutdown onwards or if that is a myth!!! Laughing
"Heath Loxton"

Just trolling are we?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Makes sense to close it while there are no operations happening there. Staff who sign on there could be paid a distance allowance for any additional travel needed to head into the city to sign on, or have the time equivalent to the substitute bus time to/from the city included in shifts.

If indeed the union is trying to oppose that and it's not just a myth, I would put that down to posturing, an attempt to show the members that they are big and tough and actually doing something with the fees they get instead of just financing the same Labor fat cats who handed over the maintenance work to a Canadian-German megacorp.

The Belair depot could be a good spot to park a few of the Jumbos during the closure, keeping them from getting in the way of anything.
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
It is indeed NOT a myth... the Belair depot is to be closed as of January the 2nd. The union I believe is trying to put a case together but NO it is NOT a myth!
"defman70"


For the shut down period only to my knowledge and what union is trying to stop it?


  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Makes sense to close it while there are no operations happening there. Staff who sign on there could be paid a distance allowance for any additional travel needed to head into the city to sign on, or have the time equivalent to the substitute bus time to/from the city included in shifts.

If indeed the union is trying to oppose that and it's not just a myth, I would put that down to posturing, an attempt to show the members that they are big and tough and actually doing something with the fees they get instead of just financing the same Labor fat cats who handed over the maintenance work to a Canadian-German megacorp.

The Belair depot could be a good spot to park a few of the Jumbos during the closure, keeping them from getting in the way of anything.
"justapassenger"


As the awards states paid passive time for the additional distance/kilometres travel to their non depot booking on point, or book on at the Home depot and travel via motor vehicle road car/ taxi/bus to pick up their shift. Nothing new in this arrangement it's been in the award for eons.

They don't give $$ to labor fat cats, I thought they gave them to Football clubs.

Like it or not tendering gets you the best outcome for the $$$ you have for a project, and the people of SA wanted it done now and not in ten years time.




  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I completely agree with contracting out for capital works. Not for regular ongoing maintenance of state-owned assets like railcars which never had any problem when they were maintained in-house by local workers, without the corporate welfare.
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
Return of the Redhens - an event organised by the NRM as part of its 50th Anniversary in 2013. Details, that is known at present, are published on the NRM website under the 50th Anniversary events....along with many other activities during 2013.  From talking with those in the know at NRM, nothing has been confirmed with DPTI for the November special event, apart from meetings and verbal support.  I'm confident that the NRM management will progress the details as the year progresses.     8)
  62440 Chief Commissioner

....... i have read in another thread that rail line work was observed at the rosewater line turnout at gawler...
"Heath Loxton"
Huh??? maybe someone can decode this part of the comment?The "rosewater line" at Gawler? Has someone shifted a suburb??
"Pressman"

Rosewater Junction at Port Adelaide is what is being referred to, where trains can head off to Gawler I suppose. It appears that a new connection serving the NRM is being installed, not clear if this would connect the NRM and OH lines to Dry Creek and Adelaide, though a Redhen weekend is planned for September. The main line turnouts still have remnants from the dual gauge era.
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
They have tried to do the same with Stanvac Depot, but there is the point that the Seaford depot won't be opening at the conclusion of the works so they would have to to resort to Stanvac anyway, which would be just vindictive of Management as a way to (as mentioned) counteract travelling time costs for drivers....
"defman70"


Speaking of Stanvac depot, noticed that pairs of concrete supports for overhead catenary have recently been dumped alongside the sidings inside the stabling compound, at the sort of intervals to suggest Pt Stanvac sidings will be electrified.

With the depot at Seaford so close, I'd speculate Stanvac will be used by EMUs only during the commissioning / driver training phase, before start-up of the electric service.  

Presumably empty testing / training EMUs will shuttle between Seaford & Pt Stanvac during Monday - Friday interpeak (when the sidings are vacant), and turn around there, out of the way of the diesels railcars which will return to the Noarlunga line for a period after re-opening late 2013.   Maybe these test runs could start on this section as soon as the first EMUs are delivered, even before the rest of the Noarlunga line is re-opened?
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
It is indeed NOT a myth... the Belair depot is to be closed as of January the 2nd. The union I believe is trying to put a case together but NO it is NOT a myth!
"defman70"


For the shut down period only to my knowledge and what union is trying to stop it?

"AFULE"


I love the doubt over my info... lol!

The RBTU are looking at it but there is pretty much buckleys they can do. It is not just for the close down, it is a PERMANENT shut down. They announced it to us last week.. the week before Xmas. I'm a railcar driver folks... been there 6 years 3 before that with CityRail/Railcorp.

Why have Jumbo's stored up there... what on earth do you guys do for fun except for inventing bizarre ideas or concepts... next you lot will be saying the freight line will be used for passenger working...!!!?? Jumbo's will be stored out at Dry Creek and possibly eve fired up during the close down. They haven't really decided.

Belair drivers will be allocated to depots near where they live or where they are allocated to go.

They have tried to do the same with Stanvac Depot, but there is the point that the Seaford depot won't be opening at the conclusion of the works so they would have to to resort to Stanvac anyway, which would be just vindictive of Management as a way to (as mentioned) counteract travelling time costs for drivers....
"defman70"


I was working last week and didn't hear it.



  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

According to people who should know, Stanvac yard will be electrified to be a storage yard for the new EMU's, pretty well as an over flow because there is no way they can all fit at Seaford.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
so the dry creek depot is the main adelaide depot; the gawler depot is for gawler line drivers, the stanvac depot is for noarlunga and tonsley line drivers and the belair depot is for belair line drivers, where are the outer harbor and grange line drivers based?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
so the dry creek depot is the main adelaide depot; the gawler depot is for gawler line drivers, the stanvac depot is for noarlunga and tonsley line drivers and the belair depot is for belair line drivers, where are the outer harbor and grange line drivers based?
"Heath Loxton"


You answered your own question before you asked it.
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
so the dry creek depot is the main adelaide depot; the gawler depot is for gawler line drivers, the stanvac depot is for noarlunga and tonsley line drivers and the belair depot is for belair line drivers, where are the outer harbor and grange line drivers based?
"Heath Loxton"


Don't rule out in the future some railcars possibly being stabled at Outer Harbor, there are cost saving in removing dead running early in the morning and returning cars to the Dry Creek depot after the Pm peak, if that was to happen then a few drivers could be stationed at Outer Harbor. Watch this space.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

so the dry creek depot is the main adelaide depot; the gawler depot is for gawler line drivers, the stanvac depot is for noarlunga and tonsley line drivers and the belair depot is for belair line drivers, where are the outer harbor and grange line drivers based?
"Heath Loxton"


Don't rule out in the future some railcars possibly being stabled at Outer Harbor, there are cost saving in removing dead running early in the morning and returning cars to the Dry Creek depot after the Pm peak, if that was to happen then a few drivers could be stationed at Outer Harbor. Watch this space.
"AFULE"


If the setup was to be similar to the stabling facility at Belair, there's certainly plenty of space beyond the end of the platform for it.
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
I do believe Supertramp once has a song about this something along the lines of Dreamer etc etc etc, near equal likelyhood of the end of heavy rail on OH and Grange, the current PTS management working hard to kill Grange off already, just look at the current temporary timetable Grange trains don't connect with the Outer Harbor services but the substitute buses do.

so the dry creek depot is the main adelaide depot; the gawler depot is for gawler line drivers, the stanvac depot is for noarlunga and tonsley line drivers and the belair depot is for belair line drivers, where are the outer harbor and grange line drivers based?
"Heath Loxton"


Don't rule out in the future some railcars possibly being stabled at Outer Harbor, there are cost saving in removing dead running early in the morning and returning cars to the Dry Creek depot after the Pm peak, if that was to happen then a few drivers could be stationed at Outer Harbor. Watch this space.
"AFULE"


If the setup was to be similar to the stabling facility at Belair, there's certainly plenty of space beyond the end of the platform for it.
"justapassenger"
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
I do believe Supertramp once has a song about this something along the lines of Dreamer etc etc etc, near equal likelyhood of the end of heavy rail on OH and Grange, the current PTS management working hard to kill Grange off already, just look at the current temporary timetable Grange trains don't connect with the Outer Harbor services but the substitute buses do.

so the dry creek depot is the main adelaide depot; the gawler depot is for gawler line drivers, the stanvac depot is for noarlunga and tonsley line drivers and the belair depot is for belair line drivers, where are the outer harbor and grange line drivers based?
"Heath Loxton"


Don't rule out in the future some railcars possibly being stabled at Outer Harbor, there are cost saving in removing dead running early in the morning and returning cars to the Dry Creek depot after the Pm peak, if that was to happen then a few drivers could be stationed at Outer Harbor. Watch this space.
"AFULE"


If the setup was to be similar to the stabling facility at Belair, there's certainly plenty of space beyond the end of the platform for it.
"justapassenger"
"alcoworldseries"


There is no proposal to kill grange line off.


  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
That has been made public!! Neither has/had the Belair depot closure, note my comment re heavy rail.
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
That has been made public!! Neither has/had the Belair depot closure, note my comment re heavy rail.
"alcoworldseries"


When I go in to my office on Monday I will check to see if I have an istruction advising me that Belair is closing, honestly i don't know where some of these storyies come from
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
Ain't that the truth I am part of the "new union" and is first I have heard about Belair ..............or OH

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