Flygon Train Controller

Location: Australia
When traveling through more than two zones passengers are required to have enough myki money (and/or myki pass) to pay for the entire trip before boarding.
They could easily underestimate the required fare if they board at an unstaffed station or waste much more than $6 on a card they might only use once.
Gauntlet
What recharging your myki on the train? Or does allowing paying a $20 recharge for a fare from Bendigo to Melbourne make too much sense while on a moving train? Confused

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  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
OK, dumb question. Recently, I went to Traralgon. I had a matter to attend to in Warragul so I boarded a train, clutching my Traralgon ticket, dissembarked at Warragul, attended to my business and joined a later train to continue to Traralgon. Under Myki, if I had touched off at Warragul then touched on again and off again at Traralgon, would the overall amount deducted be the same if I had done the whole journey in one go, or will I be penalized with a higher total fare for breaking my journey?Very Happy
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
OK, dumb question. Recently, I went to Traralgon. I had a matter to attend to in Warragul so I boarded a train, clutching my Traralgon ticket, dissembarked at Warragul, attended to my business and joined a later train to continue to Traralgon. Under Myki, if I had touched off at Warragul then touched on again and off again at Traralgon, would the overall amount deducted be the same if I had done the whole journey in one go, or will I be penalized with a higher total fare for breaking my journey?Very Happy
L1150
Depends on the fare for each part of the journey as opposed to the fare for the whole journey.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
when they talk about 11 zones on V-Line

Wasn't everywhere from Canberra and Bateman's Bay to Adelaide assigned to zones at one time?  I seem to recall we had something like 63 zones.  And you wonder why the system architecture is creaking?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Wasn't everywhere from Canberra and Bateman's Bay to Adelaide assigned to zones at one time?  I seem to recall we had something like 63 zones.  And you wonder why the system architecture is creaking?
Gwiwer
I believe so. There were 73 zones in total I think.
  liron Junior Train Controller


Also, suppose someone touches on at Bendigo and touches off at Diggers Rest, and they're an adult, will they ever be charged a peak fare under Myki?  They never touch off in a zone 1 station.
liron

No, not Digger's Rest, that's not on the list of Myki stations, so let's say Woodend.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
you can't leave home without it!

Currently I can and do.  My occasional travels are normally covered by a V/Line paper ticket plus zones 1+2.  The days of those tickets are also numbered but (and entirely coincidentally) my need to make the only trip I currently undertake on any sort of regular basis may also be about to end.  The relatively poor coverage of outer residential suburbs by public transport ensure that it is not a realistic option to consider for the daily commute.  A 35 kilometre trip by car which is almost all on 100kph freeways and driven in 35 - 45 minutes requires at least two buses and one train via a U-shaped route of nearer 50 kms and takes 2 - 2½ hours each way.  I call no contest on that.  
  liron Junior Train Controller

Depends on the fare for each part of the journey as opposed to the fare for the whole journey.
railblogger

Re: Melbourne-Warragal-Traralgon, No it doesn't.  It depends on how long you stay in Warragal.  If you touch on while the first ticket is still valid, the total fare will be the same as if you make the whole journey in one go.

If it has expired, then the total will be less!!!!!
  jjd76au Train Controller

Location: Kilmore East
here you go

http://www.vline.com.au/pdf/networkmaps/vline_myki_map.pdf
michaelnorman
Thank you!!
  jjd76au Train Controller

Location: Kilmore East
Ok, real life scenario question here.  This may be a question for Revenue.

I currently get a weekly from Kilmore East to the city.  That's a no-brainer - just get a myki 7-day pass.

Now the interesting bit.....

Once every few weeks we head down to Portarlington, which means a train to Geelong and bus down the peninsula.

Since this is fairly sporadic travel I assume myki money would suit.  

Am I able to have a Myki Pass AND Myki Money on the same card?

Now for the fun stuff.  how do I go about travel from the city to Portarlington?  The myki pass will get me as far as North Geelong.  Do I need to change trains there, "touch-off" to see out the Myki Pass and "touch-on" to kick off the Myki Money, which would then cover a hop to Geelong (touch-off) then the trip on the bus Touch on&off)?

Or would the system be able to recognise this if I just went straight through to Geelong and do the above calculations itself?

No problem for me changing trains or even possibly a bus from North Geelong in to Geelong.  I'm just on the lookout for the cheapest way down.

Any suggestions?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Ok, real life scenario question here.  This may be a question for Revenue.

I currently get a weekly from Kilmore East to the city.  That's a no-brainer - just get a myki 7-day pass.

Now the interesting bit.....

Once every few weeks we head down to Portarlington, which means a train to Geelong and bus down the peninsula.

Since this is fairly sporadic travel I assume myki money would suit.  

Am I able to have a Myki Pass AND Myki Money on the same card?
jjd76au
I believe so.

Now for the fun stuff.  how do I go about travel from the city to Portarlington?  The myki pass will get me as far as North Geelong.  Do I need to change trains there, "touch-off" to see out the Myki Pass and "touch-on" to kick off the Myki Money, which would then cover a hop to Geelong (touch-off) then the trip on the bus Touch on&off)?

Or would the system be able to recognise this if I just went straight through to Geelong and do the above calculations itself?

No problem for me changing trains or even possibly a bus from North Geelong in to Geelong.  I'm just on the lookout for the cheapest way down.

Any suggestions?
jjd76au
I think it will do the calculations by itself.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Ok, real life scenario question here.  This may be a question for Revenue.

I currently get a weekly from Kilmore East to the city.  That's a no-brainer - just get a myki 7-day pass.

Now the interesting bit.....

Once every few weeks we head down to Portarlington, which means a train to Geelong and bus down the peninsula.

Since this is fairly sporadic travel I assume myki money would suit.  

Am I able to have a Myki Pass AND Myki Money on the same card?

Now for the fun stuff.  how do I go about travel from the city to Portarlington?  The myki pass will get me as far as North Geelong.  Do I need to change trains there, "touch-off" to see out the Myki Pass and "touch-on" to kick off the Myki Money, which would then cover a hop to Geelong (touch-off) then the trip on the bus Touch on&off)?

Or would the system be able to recognise this if I just went straight through to Geelong and do the above calculations itself?

No problem for me changing trains or even possibly a bus from North Geelong in to Geelong.  I'm just on the lookout for the cheapest way down.

Any suggestions?
jjd76au


You do not have to change trains at North Geelong and you can continue to Geelong station.

you have paid for a 7 day pass - (zone 1 to zone 3) which equals to $9.60 in myki money

if you travel in off-peak single zone 1 to 5 fare will be $8.82 and if myki takes in to count that you paid $9.60 and then you should not pay any extra top of you 7day pass to travel to Portarlington.

But if you travel in peak time and then it would be $12.60 - $9.60 = $3.00 myki money

For customers travelling off-peak, the peak fare contributes toward Daily caps, even though they are paying a reduced fare.
A example of this when a customer travels three zones off-peak, 100% of the standard fare will be counted
towards their Daily cap even though the customer has only have to pay 70% of the standard fare.

here is a copy of the myki fares http://melbtrip.com/fares-and-tickets/myki-fares/
  jjd76au Train Controller

Location: Kilmore East
You do not have to change trains at North Geelong and you can countine to Geelong station.

you have paid for a 7 day pass - (zone 1 to zone 3) which equals to $9.60 in myki money

if you travel in off-peak single zone 1 to 5 fare will be $8.82 and if myki takes that in to count and then you should not pay any extra top of you 7day pass.

For customers travelling off-peak, the peak fare contributes toward Daily caps, even though they are paying a reduced fare.
A example of this when a customer travels three zones off-peak, 100% of the standard fare will be counted
towards their Daily cap even though the customer has only have to pay 70% of the standard fare.
melbtrip

I've had to read that about six times to *almost* understand it.  Smile

Fares would most likely be Peak as I'd be travelling down after work.  Also I think I'm crossing two zones to get the bus from Geelong to Portarlington.

How would this affect my travel costs?

Thanks again to everyone for the information!
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Just for the record, Geelong is in zone 4, and the Bellarine Peninsula is zone 5.

Fare information for Geelong/Bellarine Peninsula travel can be found here:
McHarrys Myki and Fare Information
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
I've had to read that about six times to *almost* understand it.  Smile

Fares would most likely be Peak as I'd be travelling down after work.  Also I think I'm crossing two zones to get the bus from Geelong to Portarlington.

How would this affect my travel costs?

Thanks again to everyone for the information!
jjd76au
Geelong to Portarlington bus should be count as been off-peak

here is peak rule
Fares for all journeys in more than two zones receive an off-peak discount, except where touch off occurs within Zone 1 before 9am on a business day or touch on occurs within Zone 1 between 4pm and 6pm on a business day.

and if the current rules applies
Off Peak fares  may apply because at least one service on the journey is Off Peak.

Geelong to Portarlington bus does not going in  to zone 1 and should be off-peak

Then Melbourne to Portarlington should be an off-peak fare
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Melbtrip, there are no peak and off peak fares when travelling on Geelong and Bellarine buses, just the standard Myki fares.
Care to show us where you get your information from?

Kindly have a look at the link I recently posted about fares before posting mis-information.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
After taking my forehead away from my hands, This reply is for jjd76au

Okay, So... From my training, which is quite scratchy now as this was a few years ago...

Your trip from Kilmore East to City will be covered by your pass as established and as far back out to North Geelong, On Touch off at Geelong, You should be charged the difference outside of your pass, Which should only be a 2 Hour Zone 4.

On boarding the Bus (or Coach) to Portarlington, The 2 Hour should still be active for that location - Once you get to Portarlington and touch off, It should make the adjustment to charge you for a 2 Hour Zone 4-through-5. On the return trip later that day, You should get the same, 2 Hour Zone 4-5.

I could be very very wrong on this, as the requirement that a passenger carry a single valid ticket for an entire journey, may void the above statement. Really, The person who would know, would be Revenue.

I hope my explanation is a bit clearer than the above. (I've avoided going into the mess of explaning Peak and Off-Peak, to keep it simple)
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
And if we here can't work it out (and I include those knowledgable members who are employed within the industry as well) what chance does the average passenger stand of understanding the system and how much a trip costs?  And yes it does matter to quite a lot of people that they know how much a trip will cost before making it.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Melbtrip, there are no peak and off peak fares when travelling on Geelong and Bellarine buses, just the standard Myki fares.
Care to show us where you get your information from?

Kindly have a look at the link I recently posted about fares before posting mis-information.
xxxxlbear
I do not post mis -information


Off-peak discounts - info -  page 22 of Victoria fare

Off-peak discounts
Fares for all journeys in more than two zones receive an off-peak discount, except where touch off occurs within Zone 1 before 9am on a business day or touch on occurs within Zone 1 between 4pm and 6pm on a business day.

The discount for off-peak travel is 30 per cent (this is applied after any concession discount).Customers who do not touch on and off correctly will be charged a peak fare.

For customers travelling off-peak, the equivalent peak fare contributes toward the Daily cap, even though they are paying a reduced fare. For example when a full fare customer travels three zones off-peak, 100 per cent of the standard fare will be counted towards the Daily cap even though only 70 per cent of the standard fare has been paid.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
I do not post mis -information


Off-peak discounts - info -  page 22 of Victoria fare

Off-peak discountsFares for all journeys in more than two zones receive an off-peak discount, except where touch off occurs within Zone 1 before 9am on a business day or touch on occurs within Zone 1 between 4pm and 6pm on a business day.

The discount for off-peak travel is 30 per cent (this is applied after any concession discount).Customers who do not touch on and off correctly will be charged a peak fare.

For customers travelling off-peak, the equivalent peak fare contributes toward the Daily cap, even though they are paying a reduced fare. For example when a full fare customer travels three zones off-peak, 100 per cent of the standard fare will be counted towards the Daily cap even though only 70 per cent of the standard fare has been paid.
melbtrip

There are NO off peak fares on Geelong or Bellarine buses.
Show me the off peak fares themselves if you think they exist.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
And if we here can't work it out (and I include those knowledgable members who are employed within the industry as well) what chance does the average passenger stand of understanding the system and how much a trip costs?  And yes it does matter to quite a lot of people that they know how much a trip will cost before making it.
Gwiwer

Isn't that part of the fun?

Don't forget, there was a court case recently that established the myki holder has a responsibility to keep their account in CREDIT at ALL TIMES, doesn't matter if your auto-top up hasn't come through or if the TVM was broken.  If it is so much as one cent in deficit you will be deemed to be a fare evader and duly fined.
  liron Junior Train Controller

There are NO off peak fares on Geelong or Bellarine buses.
Show me the off peak fares themselves if you think they exist.
xxxxlbear

Yes, you're right, except for one thing.

If you have a zone 1-3 pass active, then travel into zone 4 and 5, you are charged for a zone 1-5 '2-hour' ticket less a zone 1-3 '2-hour' ticket (based on peak fares), then adjusted for off peak, concession etc.  Since Zone 1-5 fares have peak and off peak, different amounts will be charged for peak and off peak travel.

The extra you pay for to travel in zones 4 and 5, even in peak periods, is less than a zone 4-5 ticket would cost ($3.00 peak, $2.10 off peak vs. $3.49).
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Isn't that part of the fun?

Don't forget, there was a court case recently that established the myki holder has a responsibility to keep their account in CREDIT at ALL TIMES, doesn't matter if your auto-top up hasn't come through or if the TVM was broken.  If it is so much as one cent in deficit you will be deemed to be a fare evader and duly fined.
don_dunstan
And while that responsibility is now clear if there is no easy way to calculate the fare yourself how are you to know what's left after a trip?  Balances can be checked but not at every single point of exit from the system.  In particular there is no requirement to tag off trams for most journeys meaning the balance is not known until the card is next used.

I don't often advocate American-style justice but I could see some of their no-win-no-fee mob having a field day with Myki.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Geelong to Portarlington bus should be count as been off-peak

here is peak rule
Fares for all journeys in more than two zones receive an off-peak discount, except where touch off occurs within Zone 1 before 9am on a business day or touch on occurs within Zone 1 between 4pm and 6pm on a business day.

and if the current rules applies
Off Peak fares  may apply because at least one service on the journey is Off Peak.

Geelong to Portarlington bus does not going in  to zone 1 and should be off-peak

Then Melbourne to Portarlington should be an off-peak fare
melbtrip
I'm quite sure only V/Line trains have peak and off-peak fares.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Off-peak discounts
Fares for all journeys in more than two zones receive an off-peak discount, except where touch off occurs within Zone 1 before 9am on a business day or touch on occurs within Zone 1 between 4pm and 6pm on a business day.
melbtrip
Geelong to Portarlington is not more than two zones. Geelong is in Zone 4, Portarlington is in Zone 5. Therefore, off-peak fares do not apply.

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