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  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest


Regarding electrical pickups, are the bogies wired to the locomotive, and how is this done? In the case of the Southern Rail 10 class there are double sided pickups fitted to the pony trucks, but they are not wired to the loco, giving electrical pickup on the drivers only.
I don't understand why they'd put pick-ups on the pony trucks which serve no purpose?????

Roachie
Could they act as centering springs?

Peter
I don’t know why the SRM 10 class bogie pickups were not wired, perhaps it was decided that a connection to the loco would interfere with ride and tracking of the truck? The pickups are there, from both sides, with a split axle, but no electrical connection to the loco. They might act as suspension but definitely not as centering springs. Anyway, this is the Austrains thread and I’d like to know whether the C30 bogie pickups are active, and if so, how are they connected? Thanks.
The bogies are electrically active and are connected by fine wires. The instructions that come with the loco advise against removing the bogies because of the fine wire connections. The larger diameter replacement bogie wheels supplied with the loco can be filled without removing the bogies from the loco.
kingfisher
Thanks Kingfisher, you beat me to answer the question.  The practicality of removing the bogies would depend on the length of wire and adequacy of the connections.  Any movement will potentially weaken the connections and could result in wire disconnection.

I have had this happen on a few connectors between engine and tender where the wire was improperly attached to the connector, and after a few maintenance sessions a wire would separate from the connector.  Yes, I was very careful not to stress the attachment points.

Happy pickupping,

John

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  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Hello fellow plonkers,

Further to my earlier post regarding my C30 model 3085 it underwent more load trials on our local club layout on Friday night.

This time I was able to load it up with Austrains AEPC's, specifically FO/BI/HFO/CCA.  3085 was able to haul a minimum of 8 AEPC's on all four main lines each with a nominal 1:50 grade either funnel first (FF) or bunker first (BF).

It was noticeable that at maximum load it could generally haul at least one extra AEPC when running BF.  Maximum loads varied from 9 AEPC's to 11 AEPC's depending on which track was used and which end of the model was leading.

It was also noticed that there was a slight tracking problem with the leading bogie when running BF, especially over a Peco curved point which has a pronounced bump in it.  This led to the trailing axle becoming derailed and a total derailment of the loco when it arrived at the next set of points.  Examination indicated that the bogie set under the bunker had almost no additional downward pressure beyond the plane of the driving wheels.  I did not fiddle with this bogie yet as to increase the bogie travel would inevitably lead to a decrease in tractive effort.  A matter for another night methinks.

Happy hauling,

John
  NSWRcars Assistant Commissioner

3085 was able to haul a minimum of 8 AEPC's on all four main lines each with a nominal 1:50 grade either funnel first (FF) or bunker first (BF).

It was also noticed that there was a slight tracking problem
c3526blue
Thanks for the update! Sounds like she has more than adequate tractive effort, hope you can sort the tracking issue. Any indication of minimum recommended curve radius for the two wheel options supplied? What about photos (or links to same) – anyone?
  TedFreeman Junior Train Controller

Location: Toowoomba, Queensland
John,
I remember 3085 quite well as a Sydney Yard shunt loco when I was an Engineman, the 30 Class Tank locos were a wonderful machine and very efficient at what they were used for, in either direction, I may have to get one for nostalgic reasons.

Spent 6 months on the Richmond Line with 30 Tanks, a memorable time of my career.

Ted (Teditor) Freeman
  GCMotorail Beginner

This time I was able to load it up with Austrains AEPC's, specifically FO/BI/HFO/CCA.  3085 was able to haul a minimum of 8 AEPC's on all four main lines each with a nominal 1:50 grade either funnel first (FF) or bunker first (BF).
c3526blue
Thanks for the review John. Was it straight forward to fit a Kadee coupler to the FF end or were modifications required? Any thoughts on DCC sound installation?

I’m awaiting the delivery of the models with lighting but at the Forestville exhibition I picked up a copy of the Austrains instruction sheet that outlines sound installation. According to the sheet, the model comes with an 8 pin plug in the bunker but with space being very limited, it suggests that the neatest method would be to discard the existing circuit board and to hard wire the decoder. The alternative suggested is to place the decoder and a sugar cube speaker in the cab. The decoders mentioned are the Zimo MX648 and the Loksound Micro. It seems like it will be a tight fit whichever way it goes.

Alan  
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Thanks for the review John. Was it straight forward to fit a Kadee coupler to the FF end or were modifications required? Any thoughts on DCC sound installation?

I’m awaiting the delivery of the models with lighting but at the Forestville exhibition I picked up a copy of the Austrains instruction sheet that outlines sound installation. According to the sheet, the model comes with an 8 pin plug in the bunker but with space being very limited, it suggests that the neatest method would be to discard the existing circuit board and to hard wire the decoder. The alternative suggested is to place the decoder and a sugar cube speaker in the cab. The decoders mentioned are the Zimo MX648 and the Loksound Micro. It seems like it will be a tight fit whichever way it goes.

Alan  
GCMotorail
Hi Alan,

Only too happy to help out.

The C30 comes with Kadee couplers already fitted at both ends (FF and BF).  The bunker end one on my model droops a bit so will require some gentle persuasion to get it to the correct attitude.

I am a novice at DCC sound installation on such a model but have sent a message to DCC Solutions (away for two weeks, back 19/03) who offer a ESU LokSound V4.0 (Sound) with their Custom 30 Class Sound project.  Am awaiting a response on this enquiry.  http://www.dccsolutions.com.au/austrains-30-sound-install

Happy steaming,

John
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
John,
I remember 3085 quite well as a Sydney Yard shunt loco when I was an Engineman, the 30 Class Tank locos were a wonderful machine and very efficient at what they were used for, in either direction, I may have to get one for nostalgic reasons.

Spent 6 months on the Richmond Line with 30 Tanks, a memorable time of my career.

Ted (Teditor) Freeman
TedFreeman
Thanks for the memories Ted.  The 30 Tanks are one of my favourite steam engines.

DCC Solutions have some advice that as well as 3085 being the last C30 tank in service it was also the second last steam engine in regular service with the NSWGR being withdrawn on 22 February 1973, leaving 6042 as the last steam survivor.

I now have models of the last two steam locos in regular service, only about 1,500 to go ..........

Happy reminiscing,

John
  dmg_01 Station Staff

A read of the April 2018 AMRM indicates that Austrains next model will be the NSWGR 32 class locomotive. Both styles of frames. No wonder Ixion is selling theirs cheap.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

A read of the April 2018 AMRM indicates that Austrains next model will be the NSWGR 32 class locomotive. Both styles of frames. No wonder Ixion is selling theirs cheap.
dmg_01
I would have thought that something that has been promised by a competitor but not yet yet released by them and has been promised for years would be the better option to do, as if it can be quicker on the market then first in best dressed so to speak, but doubling up on ones that are still for sale by a manufacturer is almost like you want to sell off someone else's reputation a bit. I am not saying they are doing it, but there are plenty of promised models that have been promised for years by some manufacturer's that people would want more than something they possibly already have.

Nothing against doubling models like this, but the later model needs to be a hell of an improvement over the original one though. Otherwise both brands will suffer in sales.
  a6et Minister for Railways

A read of the April 2018 AMRM indicates that Austrains next model will be the NSWGR 32 class locomotive. Both styles of frames. No wonder Ixion is selling theirs cheap.
I would have thought that something that has been promised by a competitor but not yet yet released by them and has been promised for years would be the better option to do, as if it can be quicker on the market then first in best dressed so to speak, but doubling up on ones that are still for sale by a manufacturer is almost like you want to sell off someone else's reputation a bit. I am not saying they are doing it, but there are plenty of promised models that have been promised for years by some manufacturer's that people would want more than something they possibly already have.

Nothing against doubling models like this, but the later model needs to be a hell of an improvement over the original one though. Otherwise both brands will suffer in sales.
DJPeters
The announcement really makes one wonder as to why?  While the Ixion 32 has many issues, and for me too many to waste on one even at the reduced price, its sort of tempting but not enough really, their dudding of those who got burnt with their promise to honour the Shrike 30T is also something that I do not like when they pulled the plug, and blamed Austrain for their decision.

I have a TOR 32cl and for me its a more accurate version and has not given me any real problems aside for the wheel rims that came off and a 5 minute fix with super glue and its still running perfectly would rule me out of the need for another model.  Austrains to do the 2 frame types is copying TOR's model for no real good reason, but like the 30T announcement the price point is far too much for me, even though the old low frame models will likely prove to be a more accurate and likely complete model than the Ixion models.

Thing is also, that with the 30T and then the 32, a common tender for both models in the 3650 type means a bit of the cost can be spread over two runs of two different types of models, same as with the original P class 6 wheel tender which was used on both classes of loco's.  So a bit of cost subsidising could be had and a cheaper price.

We still await from other manufacturers models promised some time back with the 53 and 55cl, the two big engines, 57/58cl, surely a choice from one of those may have been a bit more prudent rather than an unnecessary run of a model that has already been produced.
  M636C Minister for Railways

DCC Solutions have some advice that as well as 3085 being the last C30 tank in service it was also the second last steam engine in regular service with the NSWGR being withdrawn on 22 February 1973, leaving 6042 as the last steam survivor.


My recollection is that 6042's last day in service was 1 March 1973


I photographed the northbound train hauled by a 42 class and then had a look around at Broadmeadow Loco. Apart from getting a nice shot of a 43, 44s and 442s around the turntable, I saw 5069 in steam in the shed alongside a 53 class also in steam.


These two would appear to post date 3085 in service.


Peter
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

A couple of standard good were held at Broadmeadow and used to steam clean the depot area, but not used in revenue traffic. I am fairly sure that these are the two you photographed.

Regarding the 32, the Trainorama model has been unavailable for a good number of years. The ixion model mainly seems to have issues with the build - the actual model itself (apart from the obligatory dome and chimney issues) is not that bad.

With Austrains doing the 30T, they can utilise the tenders on the 32. Maybe a 53 and 55 will follow utilising the 3650 tender as well though it would make sense to to the Wampu tender with one or the other of them.

Who knows, still have to see the 30T land on these shores first and then the 32.

Regards,

Craig W
  M636C Minister for Railways

A couple of standard goods were held at Broadmeadow and used to steam clean the depot area, but not used in revenue traffic. I am fairly sure that these are the two you photographed.

Surely the question is whether they were "in service" rather than their actual duties....

At the time I was told that they were held serviceable in case of an unexpected failure.
I think we were told that a couple of locomotives were in steam at Port Waratah for the same purpose as well.

Peter
  NSW3802 Locomotive Driver

A read of the April 2018 AMRM indicates that Austrains next model will be the NSWGR 32 class locomotive. Both styles of frames. No wonder Ixion is selling theirs cheap.
I would have thought that something that has been promised by a competitor but not yet yet released by them and has been promised for years would be the better option to do, as if it can be quicker on the market then first in best dressed so to speak, but doubling up on ones that are still for sale by a manufacturer is almost like you want to sell off someone else's reputation a bit. I am not saying they are doing it, but there are plenty of promised models that have been promised for years by some manufacturer's that people would want more than something they possibly already have.

Nothing against doubling models like this, but the later model needs to be a hell of an improvement over the original one though. Otherwise both brands will suffer in sales.
The announcement really makes one wonder as to why?  While the Ixion 32 has many issues, and for me too many to waste on one even at the reduced price, its sort of tempting but not enough really, their dudding of those who got burnt with their promise to honour the Shrike 30T is also something that I do not like when they pulled the plug, and blamed Austrain for their decision.

I have a TOR 32cl and for me its a more accurate version and has not given me any real problems aside for the wheel rims that came off and a 5 minute fix with super glue and its still running perfectly would rule me out of the need for another model.  Austrains to do the 2 frame types is copying TOR's model for no real good reason, but like the 30T announcement the price point is far too much for me, even though the old low frame models will likely prove to be a more accurate and likely complete model than the Ixion models.

Thing is also, that with the 30T and then the 32, a common tender for both models in the 3650 type means a bit of the cost can be spread over two runs of two different types of models, same as with the original P class 6 wheel tender which was used on both classes of loco's.  So a bit of cost subsidising could be had and a cheaper price.

We still await from other manufacturers models promised some time back with the 53 and 55cl, the two big engines, 57/58cl, surely a choice from one of those may have been a bit more prudent rather than an unnecessary run of a model that has already been produced.
a6et
I think it should be remembered that Shrike started the 30T, Shrike took the money for the 30T and it was Shrike who let everyone down, not Ixion.

Les.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
I think it should be remembered that Shrike started the 30T, Shrike took the money for the 30T and it was Shrike who let everyone down, not Ixion.

Les.
NSW3802
I think it should be remembered that Ixion posted on their blogspot:

"Austrains' principal John Eassie has announced on the Austrains website that he intends to produce HO scale models of the NSWGR 30 Class 4-6-4 tank loco, and the C30T 4-6-0 tender locomotive. This has led to speculation that Ixion will now drop production of the ex-Shrike Models C30T. This is our official response.

Ixion Models will not "walk away" from producing the 30T. We are men of our word.

Nor will we be walking away from our promised arrangement for Shrike Models 30T pre-paid customers."

(which was that for another $80 or so, we'd get our models.)

It's still there if you want to read it all, see https://ixionmodels.blogspot.com.au/
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Hello all, not really a site update (when was the last one??) but ......

Regarding the Austrains C30 Tank Engines

My credit card was debited for my second C30 model on 15/05/18.  I think that this means that the second batch of models have arrived in Australia.  There would appear to be an imminent postal delivery about to occur.

Will my model of 3112 come with or sans lighting?  Will have to wait and see!

Happy tanking,

John
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Austrains site is currently suspended (I suspect hosting renewal overlooked)

Anyway, pics of 3112 have surfaced on facebook today. Model has a headlight and lots of lining, both red and yellow, including on boiler bands. Appears to be in 'as preserved' livery.
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Austrains site is currently suspended (I suspect hosting renewal overlooked)

Anyway, pics of 3112 have surfaced on facebook today. Model has a headlight and lots of lining, both red and yellow, including on boiler bands. Appears to be in 'as preserved' livery.
Poath Junction
Which group? Eager to see pics.

Paul
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

Which group? Eager to see pics.
FirstStopCentral

https://www.facebook.com/groups/539642902832181/ ("Australian Model Trains All Scales")
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
John from Austrains and Steve from SDS will be at Albury this weekend, if you want to see new models and ask a question or three?
Murray Railway Modellers Exhibition
Cheers
Rod
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Austrains site is currently suspended (I suspect hosting renewal overlooked)

Anyway, pics of 3112 have surfaced on facebook today. Model has a headlight and lots of lining, both red and yellow, including on boiler bands. Appears to be in 'as preserved' livery.
Poath Junction

You have ruined my surprise mail delivery.  As they say on TV "bugger" !!

The model as originally specified with a grated bunker is incorrect for "as preserved" as it was fitted with a full extended bunker in preservation.  Double "bugger" !!

Happy rivet counting,

John
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
A quick google reveals 3112 as preserved & operating in 1990 had the grated bunker, at some point after that the bunker got solid extensions added above the grated extensions. The model represents the earlier preserved bunker appearance.
  qldchook Locomotive Driver

So does anyone know exactly what 30 class numbers have arrived? I sent Austrains an order for 3048 last year. No updates on Austrains web site so I'm probably not the only one a little confused?
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

Which group? Eager to see pics.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/539642902832181/ ("Australian Model Trains All Scales")
Poath Junction

Anyone have a public link?
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
A quick google reveals 3112 as preserved & operating in 1990 had the grated bunker, at some point after that the bunker got solid extensions added above the grated extensions. The model represents the earlier preserved bunker appearance.
Poath Junction
Thanks PJ.

Yes you are right.  I did a google search too and was astounded (only because I had not had a good look at it previously) when I had a detailed look at the most recent contraption adorning 3112's bunker.

A bit off topic of course .....

It appears that when 3112 first entered heritage service it was fitted with a standard grated bunker, but this may have been extended with vertical plating fitted underneath the grating.  Sometime later (definitely after 1988) it had another extension added on top of the grating which took the top of the bunker to align with the roof profile.  This has been further compounded by the practice of piling additional coal on top of the cab roof.

See
https://get.google.com/albumarchive/102519107727013001716/album/AF1QipO9fQljiuyQDJR63kxji5QQQvo9CL3beAD38RAI/AF1QipMMLduF6VjCTs_yj_LeEtkGe7Nlx2q_bQ4eRn86?source=pwa#6115204955021358242

and
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=3112+steam+locomotive&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiCsOz5lZPbAhWLErwKHavlCrcQ_AUICygC&biw=1920&bih=963#imgrc=gJ6LtYPO-QJw5M:&spf=1526780868881

This would make an interesting kitbashing exercise to modify the Austrains model to match the later heritage profile.

Further off topic the rebuilt 3112 is approaching the end of an extensive overhaul at CFCLA's Goulburn Workshop.  Hopefully when completed and returned to traffic the bunker will be a bit more aesthetic in appearance.

Happy bunkering,

John

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