Hawkesbury Hill should be a proving ground for locomotives

 
  mattb27j Chief Commissioner

Location: Berowra
How many times do you hear of breakdowns on the Hawkesbury hill between Hawkesbury River and Cowan. There should be a designated track to test locomotives ability to haul cargo without breakdowns and stuffing up the cityrrail network.

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  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

You could argue that Hawksbury River bank is in part of the "City Rail" network area under wires . Can't remember after the recent break up of RailCorp if it fit into "Sydney Trains" or "NSW Trains" .

The river Bank is different in that its not really a straight 1:40 grade and the super elevation and sap makes it a struggle at times .

I think a better test area would be up illawarra Mountain because of its continuous 1:30 grade . It has everything except OHW and pass trains though ARTC might have a problem with people burning holes in the rails there .

  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW

I assume you're thinking of "Cowan Bank", which *is* a load-trial location.

Off the top of my head, the MZ's did their load trials there, as well as the 1100's and BRM Classes more recently.

The 92's and the LDP's had their "competition" on the grade to see which one could haul faster in slippery conditions.

  Termite Chief Commissioner

Location: NSW

I'll pose the question to the original poster, when you car breaks down is it in a location you want it to be, does it happen when you want it to?

Trains are no different, can do as many load tests you like on Cowan bank, but if your locomotive fails, that's it, game set and match. Can't go diddly about it.

Tim

  Highrise Assistant Commissioner

I wouldn't be surprised if there is already a plan to have a dedicated "Freight line" up Cowan, with the NSFL starting to gain momentum.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney



The river Bank is different in that its not really a straight 1:40 grade and the super elevation and sap makes it a struggle at times .
I think a better test area would be up illawarra Mountain because of its continuous 1:30 grade . It has everything except OHW and pass trains though ARTC might have a problem with people burning holes in the rails there .

"BDA"


Quibling , UMV is 1 in 30 Compensated.

See: http://extranet.artc.com.au/docs/eng/network-config/cd/nsw/section_2_south/section_2_south_S34.pdf


Also, HR-Cowan is bi-directional on both tracks, so you could test on one track and run limited numbers on through trains on the other track. There are intermediate crossovers halfway at Boronia.



  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!



I wouldn't be surprised if there is already a plan to have a dedicated "Freight line" up Cowan, with the NSFL starting to gain momentum.

"Highrise"


Since 2010 pax trains have been running on a dedicated route under the River and freighties have the former line all to themselves.

Well that was the plan. Laughing
A dedicated freight line skirting Sydney is also 'out there'.

Then again an inland rail link takes the pressure off for a few more decades.

And so on...

(P.S. it's not even an NSF Line - just four projects within a NSFC. Three of those bits of new track will be available to sparkies)

  Highrise Assistant Commissioner






I wouldn't be surprised if there is already a plan to have a dedicated "Freight line" up Cowan, with the NSFL starting to gain momentum.

"Highrise"


Since 2010 pax trains have been running on a dedicated route under the River and freighties have the former line all to themselves.

Well that was the plan. Laughing
A dedicated freight line skirting Sydney is also 'out there'.

Then again an inland rail link takes the pressure off for a few more decades.

And so on...

(P.S. it's not even an NSF Line - just four projects within a NSFC. Three of those bits of new track will be available to sparkies)

"cootanee"
And so they should be wired. Increased flexibility, and capacity within reason.

  theanimal Chief Commissioner


Its not just about testing the capability of the locos, remember the drivers ability has a lot to do with it, then there are the other imponderables, wagon loads, length, wheel rail interface, weather conditions.

The problem with the Cowan Bank is the sheer density of rail traffic, any hickup has a large effect on other rail traffic.

but perhaps we have unreal expectations, we do not expect that private car/truck users have a vehicle that never fails, but we have that expectation of a freight operator.

perhaps we need to accept that sometimes delays occur, however unfortunate and unpleasant they may be.

  MD Chief Commissioner

Location: Canbera
If the 3 NSL line projects should be wired for increased flexibilty and capacity
why doesnt that argument work for the SSFL.
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
Because the SSFL is useless for suburban passenger services.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!



If the 3 NSL line projects should be wired for increased flexibilty and capacity
why doesnt that argument work for the SSFL.

"MD"


Guess also because those NSFC projects are being delivered by TfNSW even if the feds are putting up almost 80% of the $$$. We all know how NSW is supportive of rail freight Wink
Fortunately ARTC funded most of the SSFL and built it themselves.

And all this because of a state imposed curfew that doesn't apply to Heavy Vehicle road freight Rolling Eyes
  TheLoneGunMan Assistant Commissioner

Location: At NF88.7 taking pictures





If the 3 NSL line projects should be wired for increased flexibilty and capacity
why doesnt that argument work for the SSFL.

"MD"


Guess also because those NSFC projects are being delivered by TfNSW even if the feds are putting up almost 80% of the $$$. We all know how NSW is supportive of rail freight Wink
Fortunately ARTC funded most of the SSFL and built it themselves.

And all this because of a state imposed curfew that doesn't apply to Heavy Vehicle road freight Rolling Eyes
"cootanee"


Hi All,

There shouldn't even be a curfew now on freight services in & out of Sydney on the main south because the SSFL starts before the Suburban area at Macarthur & runs all the way to Sefton Park Junction and onto the Goods lines through Enfield West & Chullora Junctions giving freights a clear run to North Strathfield/Rhodes to the north & Meeks Rd to the south & a straight tun to Botany without clashing with a peak hour suburban train. It would be good if freight services had the same going north.

I got a pamphlet in the mail last week that the passing loops between Gosford & Narara were starting last weekend 2-3/03/2013 do fun times ahead with freights entering & leaving these new freight passing loops.

TLGM

  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!



...

There shouldn't even be a curfew now on freight services in & out of Sydney on the main south because the SSFL starts before the Suburban area at Macarthur & runs all the way to Sefton Park Junction and onto the Goods lines through Enfield West & Chullora Junctions giving freights a clear run to North Strathfield/Rhodes to the north & Meeks Rd to the south & a straight tun to Botany without clashing with a peak hour suburban train. It would be good if freight services had the same going north.

I got a pamphlet in the mail last week that the passing loops between Gosford & Narara were starting last weekend 2-3/03/2013 do fun times ahead with freights entering & leaving these new freight passing loops.

TLGM

"TheLoneGunMan"


Hi,

The curfew doesn't apply to the SSFL.

Overcoming the state imposed curfew was the main reason the reason ARTC had to and agreed to build it (although crazily enough NSW still insisted on passenger priority Rolling Eyes). With the SSFL coming online ARTC got control of the MFN as well.

However for Railcorp track the curfew is very much in force. Three of the four pieces of NSFC infrastructure will be controlled by RC and the curfew will apply - although there is to be a MoA between NSW and Feds to provide more paths, including during the curfew.

NSFC thread http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11347003.htm


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