Questions that you've always been too embarrassed to ask

 
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Ok, I'll admit it - I have never heard of ditch lights. What is the reason for the name?
Valvegear
Don't know about the name but absolutely essential to keep elephants off the line.

If the spark that ran over the elephant at Strathmore all those years ago had been so fitted it may never have hit the poor elephant.

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  georges Train Controller

Ok, I'll admit it - I have never heard of ditch lights. What is the reason for the name?
Valvegear
One explanation.
  DALEK Locomotive Fireman

Just wondering what 'TL' means on a V/Line working timetable?
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Just wondering what 'TL' means on a V/Line working timetable?
DALEK
Turn Locomotive
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Too embarrassed to ask

How do astronauts urinate and defecate in their space suits or do they not do this having consumed drugs to prevent this ?
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Why does 6029 seem to have had its ditch lights removed since its change in ownership?
georges
The ditch lights are still on 6029. New smaller ones have been fitted. They hardly get used though, last time I actually used ditch lights on the loco was on the Canberra branch in mid 2016 until Kangaroos took one out around Tarago.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Too embarrassed to ask

How do astronauts urinate and defecate in their space suits or do they not do this having consumed drugs to prevent this ?
freightgate

Astronauts travelling to the ISS have an enema prior to travel so no runs in the space suit.  They are also encouraged to wear a nappy under their clothing of a high absorbent nature.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Here's one i was discussing with my wife whilst looking at 42103 at Central over the weekend.

With these classes (421, 422, 442), how are their numbers pronounced?

Using 42103 as an example, I've always thought of it as 'Forty-Two One - Oh Three' so similarly 42203 would be 'Forty-Two Two - Oh Three) and 44203 as 'Forty-Four Two - Oh Three). I've never really spoken to any rail enthusiast about it so my assumption has always been.

So the questions is if this was correct or if I've been living a life of lies (to myself).

Cheers
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Here's one i was discussing with my wife whilst looking at 42103 at Central over the weekend.

With these classes (421, 422, 442), how are their numbers pronounced?

Using 42103 as an example, I've always thought of it as 'Forty-Two One - Oh Three' so similarly 42203 would be 'Forty-Two Two - Oh Three) and 44203 as 'Forty-Four Two - Oh Three). I've never really spoken to any rail enthusiast about it so my assumption has always been.

So the questions is if this was correct or if I've been living a life of lies (to myself).

Cheers
meh
Good question.

I have always thought 'four twentyone 03' or 'four fortytwo 11'.

Not saying that I am right though.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Here's one i was discussing with my wife whilst looking at 42103 at Central over the weekend.

With these classes (421, 422, 442), how are their numbers pronounced?

Using 42103 as an example, I've always thought of it as 'Forty-Two One - Oh Three' so similarly 42203 would be 'Forty-Two Two - Oh Three) and 44203 as 'Forty-Four Two - Oh Three). I've never really spoken to any rail enthusiast about it so my assumption has always been.

So the questions is if this was correct or if I've been living a life of lies (to myself).

Cheers
Good question.

I have always thought 'four twentyone 03' or 'four fortytwo 11'.

Not saying that I am right though.
YM-Mundrabilla
Four twenty-one oh three is what I have always used too. I can understand the sense of forty two one oh three,  as the class is a variation on the forty two class, but I have never heard anybody say the numbers in that way.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Here's one i was discussing with my wife whilst looking at 42103 at Central over the weekend.

With these classes (421, 422, 442), how are their numbers pronounced?

Using 42103 as an example, I've always thought of it as 'Forty-Two One - Oh Three' so similarly 42203 would be 'Forty-Two Two - Oh Three) and 44203 as 'Forty-Four Two - Oh Three). I've never really spoken to any rail enthusiast about it so my assumption has always been.

So the questions is if this was correct or if I've been living a life of lies (to myself).

Cheers
Good question.

I have always thought 'four twentyone 03' or 'four fortytwo 11'.

Not saying that I am right though.
Four twenty-one oh three is what I have always used too. I can understand the sense of forty two one oh three,  as the class is a variation on the forty two class, but I have never heard anybody say the numbers in that way.
  DALEK Locomotive Fireman

Thanks Lowndesj515. That would make sense as I have only seen it on Steam timetables.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Here's one i was discussing with my wife whilst looking at 42103 at Central over the weekend.

With these classes (421, 422, 442), how are their numbers pronounced?

Using 42103 as an example, I've always thought of it as 'Forty-Two One - Oh Three' so similarly 42203 would be 'Forty-Two Two - Oh Three) and 44203 as 'Forty-Four Two - Oh Three). I've never really spoken to any rail enthusiast about it so my assumption has always been.

So the questions is if this was correct or if I've been living a life of lies (to myself).

Cheers
Good question.

I have always thought 'four twentyone 03' or 'four fortytwo 11'.

Not saying that I am right though.
YM-Mundrabilla
In the case of the 421 class, it's pronounced four twenty one, not forty two one.
422 class - four twenty two
442 class - four forty two

The exception being the high numbered 48 class. Using the last in the class as an example,
48165 is pronounced forty eight one six five.
  G Train Locomotive Driver

I too have wondered about pronunciation, however, we are talking about what in essence is just a number. I have heard people use for example both "four-two-one-o-three" and "four-twenty one-o-three" to describe 42103. The drivers I have heard use the latter typically. As to whether it's right or wrong. Is saying it either way really? For the record I have always read and pronounced it as "four-two-one-o-three" and people seem to know what I'm talking about. Maybe they're really just chuckling behind my back? Smile

It's a bit like how in Australia we'd call it a "421 class" but you can often tell if someone's from the UK as they'd likely say or write "Class 421".

In the end I know what they're talking about based on the context, so does it make a difference? Do you read out phone numbers as separate digits with an equal pause or in two or three digit sequences? Do you say "o" or "zero"? Everyone's a little bit different but some methods are probably more common, such as grouping extended number sequences in threes. Language is constantly evolving, if enough people say it a certain way then that's more likely to catch on.

As an aside; there are many place names around Australia I forget how to pronounce so I often add "... or however you say it," afterwards. Sometimes I'd ask, "Did I say it right?" Pretty sure some may have been covered in these forums and certainly elsewhere.

I'm not saying I'm right, but I know I'm not wrong if someone has understood me. So to meh, the original poster, I reckon you could say it either way.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

I too have wondered about pronunciation, however, we are talking about what in essence is just a number. I have heard people use for example both "four-two-one-o-three" and "four-twenty one-o-three" to describe 42103. The drivers I have heard use the latter typically.
G Train
Association is a strong influence on people whether they realise it or not. It is often seen when people move or spend time in another country they tend to copy the speech patterns (phraseology and accents) of the locals; is it right? Whose to say what is the correct way, but most people will, usually unconsciously, seek the affirmation of those to whom the speech pattern is native.

Many years ago when visiting Brisbane I decided to take a ride to Beenleigh. Not having ever heard anyone say the name I asked for a, "Return to Beenly". The Booking Clerk immediately corrected my pronunciation saying, "Been-lee". I had instantly identified myself as being an outsider, a non-local.

I am currently having a deck built at my home, using Merbau decking boards. I was talking to a friend in NSW about it and he questioned my pronunciation. I explained that Victorians say Merbow, NSWelshmen say Merboo; which is correct?

The NSWGR/PTC/State Rail/Whatever, documented a great many things in their voluminous procedures but pronunciation was not one of them.

Say it as you like, but if you want to be seen as 'belonging', say, "four twenty one oh three".
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Here's one i was discussing with my wife whilst looking at 42103 at Central over the weekend.

With these classes (421, 422, 442), how are their numbers pronounced?

Using 42103 as an example, I've always thought of it as 'Forty-Two One - Oh Three' so similarly 42203 would be 'Forty-Two Two - Oh Three) and 44203 as 'Forty-Four Two - Oh Three). I've never really spoken to any rail enthusiast about it so my assumption has always been.

So the questions is if this was correct or if I've been living a life of lies (to myself).

Cheers
Good question.

I have always thought 'four twentyone 03' or 'four fortytwo 11'.

Not saying that I am right though.
In the case of the 421 class, it's pronounced four twenty one, not forty two one.
422 class - four twenty two
442 class - four forty two

The exception being the high numbered 48 class. Using the last in the class as an example,
48165 is pronounced forty eight one six five.
Lockspike
The Fourty-Two Class One Hundred Series
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Question about SSR's massive (100 wagons) grain train.  

I read that there were four locos at the front, and two bankers at the rear.  Does his set up require two separate crews, or can the bankers be remotely controlled by the crew in the leading loco?
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Question about SSR's massive (100 wagons) grain train.  

I read that there were four locos at the front, and two bankers at the rear.  Does his set up require two separate crews, or can the bankers be remotely controlled by the crew in the leading loco?
Valvegear
It will depend on if they are running DPU (Distributed Power Units) or not, in this case, they weren't as they were using older DC Units, so that would have meant Two Crews.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Question about SSR's massive (100 wagons) grain train.  

I read that there were four locos at the front, and two bankers at the rear.  Does his set up require two separate crews, or can the bankers be remotely controlled by the crew in the leading loco?
It will depend on if they are running DPU (Distributed Power Units) or not, in this case, they weren't as they were using older DC Units, so that would have meant Two Crews.
Jack Le Lievre
Does any Company, in any State, have locos set up to run such as talked about here ie, In Train and Rear, remoted from the lead units?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Question about SSR's massive (100 wagons) grain train.  

I read that there were four locos at the front, and two bankers at the rear.  Does his set up require two separate crews, or can the bankers be remotely controlled by the crew in the leading loco?
It will depend on if they are running DPU (Distributed Power Units) or not, in this case, they weren't as they were using older DC Units, so that would have meant Two Crews.
Does any Company, in any State, have locos set up to run such as talked about here ie, In Train and Rear, remoted from the lead units?
gordon_s1942
Various (maybe all?) iron ore operators in the North West do this. Back in the 1970s Queensland Railways used to run coal trains with locos at the front and in the centre with the central locos operated using remote control. I have seen QR trains in the last few years with locos mid-train, and I am pretty sure they were all remote.

These days locos can be purchased with all the gear on-board. The mid-70s QR used a separate wagon trailing the three mid-train units which had all the necessary gear. The VR C classes were never envisaged to work in DPU operations - that acronym hadn't even been invented when they were built.
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
BHP and Roy Hill are the only operators that use distributed power or LocoTrol on every train.

BHP or Mt Newman originally used a LocoTrol waggon to lead the remote consists, BHP even had three of their CM40-8M rebuilds completed without cabs and the LocoTrol equipment on-board, with advances in the technology the space was reduced over time to permit a much easier install, hence the three units had cabs retro-fitted.

FMG and Rio use head-end power.

Back in Robe River days they used bank engines also with DP or LocoTrol.

I'm not too sure what Rio does with the bank engines as of right now, they used to be manned, but with AutoHaul they did some unmanned operation trials.

*Edit*
FMG also operate manned bank engines out of their mines.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

Does any Company, in any State, have locos set up to run such as talked about here ie, In Train and Rear, remoted from the lead units?
duttonbay
Aurizon and pacific national in qld do it on the central coal networks.  Pacnat from emory only do it on electric services but aurizon also does it on diesel
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Does any Company, in any State, have locos set up to run such as talked about here ie, In Train and Rear, remoted from the lead units?
gordon_s1942
DPU has been running on a number of Hunter Coal trains for around Twelve months both by Aurizon and PN. There are plenty of photos on various photo sites by Hunter Valley Locals. From memory, the Limestone trains in the Southern Highlands run as DPU as well. Aurizon used to run DPU on the Kooly Ore, but at this stage, MRL won't be.

The E.M.D. GT46C-ACe (only the GWAs, SSRs, TTs & WHs) are set up to run as DPU but most of G.E. C44ACi are set up to do so. Even a small number of NRs are set up to run DPU.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
LX protection:

Does the presence of boom gates actually have any physical effect, ie would a boom gate hold back a car (at a suitably low speed - high speed no way of course)?  Or is the protection more of a mental one that encourages a greater precautionary response from drivers?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Bank Engines coupled to the rear of a train

In the case of the Coal Train Bankers at Ardglen, they usually drop off just before the Sydney end of the loop without stopping to uncouple. Does this mean that there is a remote method of uncoupling and that the Air is not connected between train and Bankers?

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