Questions that you've always been too embarrassed to ask

 
  Expost Deputy Commissioner

Is a Train Pilot like a Harbour Pilot? who are they employed by?
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Yes. I have piloted a number of trains. Its usually a train or loco driven by a traction qualified driver, who is not route qualified. I have piloted The Silver Bullet (RM2004 and RM2032) which I am not qualified to drive, a number of 2800 class light engine moves (familiar with, but would not consider myself at all competent with) and have been piloted myself on trains that I am qualified to drive, but not route competent. In those cases, it was only one section on each occasion.

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Melton Viaduct, ever double track? Or a gunzel myth?


The CR steel stock Pre-Comeng Stainless stock (Wergman,stuff from Japan and some local stuff) does it fit Vic/NSW loading gauge? Or like all the older Timber stuff is it out of gauge?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
To add to Dangersdan's question, what is the difference between a bridge and a viaduct?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
DD,
Yes and no. Smile
From memory some Wegmann and some Kinki Sharyo passenger cars are/were (?) out of gauge (OoG) beyond CR. From memory ARE roomette and BRD economy twinette MIGHT be two classes that are OoG. I know that SS44 is OoG but don't recall re the other wooden SG cars. The need never arose!
Don't rely on my memory I will check in a day or two.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
To add to Dangersdan's question, what is the difference between a bridge and a viaduct?
Valvegear
Good question VG.

Reminds me of a 'legal eagle' with whom I used to deal at the Crown Solicitor's Office years ago. Every advice that he gave came with the phrase 'the matter is not free of doubt'. I am sure if one asked 'what day is it' his answer would carry the same codicil.

To me it depends upon:
  • The number of arches/spans ie one or two arches/spans = bridge?
  • 'Lots' of arches/spans = viaduct?
  • Spanning creek or roadway = bridge?
  • Spanning valley = viaduct?
  • Viaducts are, perhaps, more likely to be masonry than steel, rarely timber?

By now you will have realised that I haven't a clue! (But it has filled in five minutes.) Smile
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
To add to Dangersdan's question, what is the difference between a bridge and a viaduct?
Good question VG.

Reminds me of a 'legal eagle' with whom I used to deal at the Crown Solicitor's Office years ago. Every advice that he gave came with the phrase 'the matter is not free of doubt'. I am sure if one asked 'what day is it' his answer would carry the same codicil.

To me it depends upon:
  • The number of arches/spans ie one or two arches/spans = bridge?
  • 'Lots' of arches/spans = viaduct?
  • Spanning creek or roadway = bridge?
  • Spanning valley = viaduct?
  • Viaducts are, perhaps, more likely to be masonry than steel, rarely timber?

By now you will have realised that I haven't a clue! (But it has filled in five minutes.) Smile
YM-Mundrabilla
From Wikipedia


'A viaduct is a specific type of bridge that consists of a series of arches, piers, or columns supporting a long elevated railway or road. Typically a viaduct connects two points of roughly equal elevation allowing passage over a valley, road, river, or other low-lying feature or obstruction'
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

From Heritage Victoria, designed to carry two tracks but only ever used for one:
http://images.heritage.vic.gov.au/attachment/48292

PS: Moorabool had two tracks but was singled.
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
From Heritage Victoria, designed to carry two tracks but only ever used for one:
http://images.heritage.vic.gov.au/attachment/48292

PS: Moorabool had two tracks but was singled.
kitchgp
Never felt like it was designed for two lines whenever I went over it, but what would I know?

Neil
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Never felt like it was designed for two lines whenever I went over it, but what would I know?
"ngarner"
More than many of us.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
DD,
Yes and no. Smile
From memory some Wegmann and some Kinki Sharyo passenger cars are/were (?) out of gauge (OoG) beyond CR. From memory ARE roomette and BRD economy twinette MIGHT be two classes that are OoG. I know that SS44 is OoG but don't recall re the other wooden SG cars. The need never arose!
Don't rely on my memory I will check in a day or two.
YM-Mundrabilla
DD,

I have looked up my diagrams and taken a representative selection of carriages and eras. You will see that there is some consistency between the early cars  but greater inconsistency in the 'mid years' until the 1960s. See the following tabulation that I hope helps and also that I hope RP does not screw up.

CR SG Passenger Rolling Stock dimensions
Class Width Length Height Bogie centres Comments
mm mm mm mm
AF 3048 16318 4468 ? First class lounge Port Augusta Workshops
AFB 3137 23826 4115 15460 First class Comeng lounge
ARD 2946 23826 4115 15460 First class Wegmann twinette
ARE 3137 25350 4113 16894 First class Wegmann roomette
ARF 2946 25906 4115 17590 First class Wegmann twinette/observation car
BA 3137 23826 4115 15460 Economy coach car
BRD 3137 25350 4115 16983 Economy Wegmann four berth
BRE 2896 23826 4115 15460 Economy Comeng twinette
BRF 2946 25958 4115 17590 Economy Wegmann four berth sleeper/lounge
BRFC 3132 25350 4112 16983 Economy Kinki Sharyo twinette sleeper/lounge
BRFD 3137 25349 4115 16983 Economy Comeng twinette sleeper/lounge
BRPF 3060 20536 4318 14630 Became OW 5 Welfare car
BRPF 3060 20536 4318 14630 Second four berth sleeper
D 3060 20536 4318 14630 Dining car Port Augusta Workshops
DA 3149 24067 4420 ? Dining car Port Augusta Workshops
DC 3137 25958 4115 17590 Wegmann dining car
DD 2896 25956 4115 17590 Comeng dining car
DE 2972 23825 4134 16154 Comeng dining car
DF 2972 23826 4134 16154 Comeng dining car
HRG 3200 19062 4103 ? ? Powervan Port Augusta Workshops
HRGA 2946 23825 4415 ? 15456 Wegmann powervan
HRGB 2978 23720 4394 15460 Kinki Sharyo powervan
HRGC 2978 23825 4115 ? 15545 Powervan Port Augusta Workshops conversion from HRD
SS 3150 24067 4318 17221 SS 44 Special Service Car

Note that some figures are conversions from drawings still in imperial measurements, some are incomplete and others have suffered from both age and poor reproduction.

I don't know off hand what the Victorian rolling stock outline is but as an initial 'rule of thumb' I think that it is around 9' 9"wide x 14'0" high (2972 mm x 4265 mm) but at what width at what height I don't know - there is obviously more to it than this.

CR didn't need to trifle with such details in those far off days.
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
The VR loading gauge, as it used to be, and probably hasn't changed all that much, can be found in any WTT Addenda. Victorianrailways.net has one of these:

http://victorianrailways.net/timetables/tthome.html

The link takes you to the page but you have to scroll down to the fifth group which has the May 1983 version; go to page 46 to see the loading gauge.

Neil
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The VR loading gauge, as it used to be, and probably hasn't changed all that much, can be found in any WTT Addenda. Victorianrailways.net has one of these:

http://victorianrailways.net/timetables/tthome.html

The link takes you to the page but you have to scroll down to the fifth group which has the May 1983 version; go to page 46 to see the loading gauge.

Neil
ngarner
Thanks Neil.

I was 3 mm under (1.5 mm each side of the centreline) Laughing in the width and 5 mm under on the height! Smile

Thankfully, I didn't launch into width at height but it looks like it has been increased to cater for higher containers. Say 9 foot (2744 mm) on a VQCX at 1111 deck height = 3854 mm high x 2590 mm wide.  Rolling Eyes

Only an inch or two here and there ......................... oops crunch ..........

Jumbo flats should be just about OK. Apart from the CUBE Maryvale flats are there any jumbo flats still on BG?

I like the comment about loading up to 1220 mm being secured - after that it doesn't matter !!! SmileSmile  It is this unnecessary sort of instruction that lawyers love these days.

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