A-City trains

 
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

Passed an A-city carriage travelling west on a truck near Ballarat about 8:30 this morning. Driver's cab was facing forward.

It look strange seeing a train travelling along the freeway.

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  Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington
Sorry if this has already been reported but 4020 was located at Dry Creek today at 11am
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Has 4020 been at Dry Creek since July 24 when it was transferred from Seaford or has it been out on test or in service?

One DEMU working has survived at least until today, the 1713 to Tonsley. Will this disappear, now that the Jumbos are going?

Alex C
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
Has 4020 been at Dry Creek since July 24 when it was transferred from Seaford or has it been out on test or in service?
62430
I saw 4020 running City-bound through Goodwood on Sat 8th August with "Test Train" on the desto and a lot of orange shirts in the cab.
  Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington
What happened to the 'A' end of 4016? The cowling around the coupler is all mangled and broken. Anyone know what happened?
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
4020 was in service today on the 1710 ex ARS.  Currently a dual consist Not in Service leaves Seaford Depot and follows the 1551 from Seaford into the city.  It then forms the 1710 and 1720 from ARS.  The 1713 to Tonsley (1739 return) is now electric, but the`1812 to Tonsley remains a 2-car DEMU.

Alex C
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
Back when Mike Rann's Rail Revitalisation plan was announced, which included electrification to Gawler, I remember reading that Seaford Depot was never designed to hold the full EMU fleet, the assumption being that a good number of electric trains would be stabled overnight at the electrified Dry Creek depot.  Back then of course this also included most of the 3000/3100 class DEMUs, which were proposed to be converted to electric units.

The question is, now that 20 out of the 22 new EMUs have been delivered (is 4021 here yet?), where does Adelaide Metro store them all?  

Do they all fit into Seaford Depot at night?   Are some EMUs being stored at Dry Creek on an extended "maintenance break", seeing there are now more than enough to run the electric service?

The electrified sidings at Port Stanvac are well and truly rusted over, so they're not being stabled there.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The depot at Seaford Meadows takes up to 14 EMUs, plus one in the commissioning shed.

I've seen up to four units being stabled in the platforms at Adelaide Railway Station overnight, which with a fleet of 20 delivered so far requires that a minimum of two units are at Dry Creek every night.

I have heard it suggested that security is the reason that the Lonsdale sidings are not in use and not likely to be brought into use.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Platforms 1,2 and 9 3/4 ARS.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Platforms ... 9 3/4 ARS.
Aaron
I presume you're talking about the demountable walkway which has been erected over the track next to platform nine? Razz
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
Speaking of Platform 9¾, on Thursday morning this week the main Departures screens on ARS concourse were showing the next Seaford Line service as:-

"08.25 to Noarlunga Centre - stopping only at Noarlunga Centre - departing from Platform 12"

Maybe the platform work at Adelaide Station is a bit more extensive than we all imagined!

(I did look to see whether this was possibly an empty movement heading to Seaford depot, but there was no sign of anything leaving the electrified platforms, and when 8.25 came the display clicked over to the normal 8.30 Seaford departure)
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Just as an aside from the Electric trains I noticed on Thursday that all the weeds and bushes that were on the Gaol loop have all been removed and it appears that the track has been reballasted completely to a certain point. Could this be going to be reinstated to get electric cars to Dry Creek without going into Adelaide Station as they have to now! It has laid unused and unwanted for a long time now and suddenly gets bought up to mainline standard again.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Just as an aside from the Electric trains I noticed on Thursday that all the weeds and bushes that were on the Gaol loop have all been removed and it appears that the track has been reballasted completely to a certain point. Could this be going to be reinstated to get electric cars to Dry Creek without going into Adelaide Station as they have to now! It has laid unused and unwanted for a long time now and suddenly gets bought up to mainline standard again.
David Peters
An intriguing suggestion!  However, south of that section  you will notice that quite a few electrification gantries would have to be demolished to allow the gaol loop to be reinstated, not to mention the lack of space over the Henley Beach underpass.  In addition the A-Citys have to be coupled up to a DEMU at some point.  AdMet seem to have got the transfer to/from Dry Creek  down to a fine art, using, for instance, the DEMU that works the 1509 Belair to bring an electric daily from Dry Creek, which then forms the 1750 Adel - Seaford.

Returning to the question of electric stabling space, the maintenance schedule seems to involve a couple of 4000s being at Dry Creek for 2-3 weeks at a time (currently 4003/04), plus other units being there for brief visits.  

Alex C
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Just as an aside from the Electric trains I noticed on Thursday that all the weeds and bushes that were on the Gaol loop have all been removed and it appears that the track has been reballasted completely to a certain point. Could this be going to be reinstated to get electric cars to Dry Creek without going into Adelaide Station as they have to now! It has laid unused and unwanted for a long time now and suddenly gets bought up to mainline standard again.
An intriguing suggestion!  However, south of that section  you will notice that quite a few electrification gantries would have to be demolished to allow the gaol loop to be reinstated, not to mention the lack of space over the Henley Beach underpass.  In addition the A-Citys have to be coupled up to a DEMU at some point.  AdMet seem to have got the transfer to/from Dry Creek  down to a fine art, using, for instance, the DEMU that works the 1509 Belair to bring an electric daily from Dry Creek, which then forms the 1750 Adel - Seaford.

Returning to the question of electric stabling space, the maintenance schedule seems to involve a couple of 4000s being at Dry Creek for 2-3 weeks at a time (currently 4003/04), plus other units being there for brief visits.  

Alex C
62430
A look at the gantries to the south of the Gaol Loop will reveal that there are a couple of gantries that are extremely wide as if to allow a turnout to be installed. I have often looked at these with interest.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Platforms 1,2 and 9 3/4 ARS.
Aaron
Only if you've been accepted into that toffee wizard school - more exclusive than PAC I've heard...
  Smacks Station Master

Just as an aside from the Electric trains I noticed on Thursday that all the weeds and bushes that were on the Gaol loop have all been removed and it appears that the track has been reballasted completely to a certain point. Could this be going to be reinstated to get electric cars to Dry Creek without going into Adelaide Station as they have to now! It has laid unused and unwanted for a long time now and suddenly gets bought up to mainline standard again.
An intriguing suggestion!  However, south of that section  you will notice that quite a few electrification gantries would have to be demolished to allow the gaol loop to be reinstated, not to mention the lack of space over the Henley Beach underpass.  In addition the A-Citys have to be coupled up to a DEMU at some point.  AdMet seem to have got the transfer to/from Dry Creek  down to a fine art, using, for instance, the DEMU that works the 1509 Belair to bring an electric daily from Dry Creek, which then forms the 1750 Adel - Seaford.

Returning to the question of electric stabling space, the maintenance schedule seems to involve a couple of 4000s being at Dry Creek for 2-3 weeks at a time (currently 4003/04), plus other units being there for brief visits.  

Alex C
A look at the gantries to the south of the Gaol Loop will reveal that there are a couple of gantries that are extremely wide as if to allow a turnout to be installed. I have often looked at these with interest.
nm39
I think that bringing 4000s through that way is better. Also it would be great to see showgrounds services running from gawler direct to the showgrounds.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I think that bringing 4000s through that way is better.
Smacks
I don't. Taking EMUs to/from Adelaide means you get 11 kilometres of non-revenue running, compared to 45 kilometres if they run empty all the way from Seaford.

The placing of a couple of units at a time into warm storage at Dry Creek instead of doubling up the premier peak hour commuter services would suggest that the government is paying for these EMUs by the kilometre, and after a week where they caved in to the union drivers and to GSR it's more important than ever to make gains in efficiency where they can.

Also it would be great to see showgrounds services running from gawler direct to the showgrounds.
Smacks
No. The Adelaide rail network already has a critical lack of resilience without adding in services that tangle together all four of the core routes.

We're not British, we can cope with changing trains in the city.

Just as an aside from the Electric trains I noticed on Thursday that all the weeds and bushes that were on the Gaol loop have all been removed and it appears that the track has been reballasted completely to a certain point. Could this be going to be reinstated to get electric cars to Dry Creek without going into Adelaide Station as they have to now! It has laid unused and unwanted for a long time now and suddenly gets bought up to mainline standard again.
David Peters
More likely that...
  • It has been used as a training run for a ballast cleaner.
  • They are preparing to use it as a turnback siding for trains from the north and west during the disruption caused by either the construction of new stabling sidings or wiring up the rest of the station approaches.
  • Insurers are on the case about fuel load, with an early start to the new fire season on the cards after a quite dry winter.
  • The government has just as much of an idea about the details of their weed-killing contracts as they did with the EMU procurement and signalling replacement contracts.
  Smacks Station Master

I think that bringing 4000s through that way is better.
I don't. Taking EMUs to/from Adelaide means you get 11 kilometres of non-revenue running, compared to 45 kilometres if they run empty all the way from Seaford.

The placing of a couple of units at a time into warm storage at Dry Creek instead of doubling up the premier peak hour commuter services would suggest that the government is paying for these EMUs by the kilometre, and after a week where they caved in to the union drivers and to GSR it's more important than ever to make gains in efficiency where they can.
justapassenger
I worded that poorly, I was thinking about after the Gawler line has been electrified. However in that case I guess they could run not in service from Adelaide. Anyway the loop is probably a useful piece of infrastructure to have.

Speaking from an enthusiasts point of view on running showgrounds trains through the loop it would be interesting. Might be difficult to communicate to passengers though. Someone who gets on the train everyday at Gawler would be expecting that train to go to ARS, and might get a shock when they end up at the showgrounds!
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
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The placing of a couple of units at a time into warm storage at Dry Creek instead of doubling up the premier peak hour commuter services would suggest that the government is paying for these EMUs by the kilometre, and after a week where they caved in to the union drivers and to GSR it's more important than ever to make gains in efficiency where they can.
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justapassenger
It might just be that some servicing and maintenance is being carried out at Dry Creek!!   There has been a programme in the last few months of retro-fittingthe earlier A-Citys with sanding equipment,  ATP transponders and stowage boxes for the emergency ladders, which were previously just slung underneath the motor car bodies.

Reference to the ATP equipment and also the completion of delivery of the 22 units is made along with other snippets of information in the Steering Committee Meeting Minutes Archive which appears at the foot of  the Rail Commissioner's message page on the AdMet website http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/About-us/Rail-Commissioner.

Alex C
  dvdplaza Chief Train Controller

Rode 4020 last week and noticed it does not have the illuminated floor tracks of all the prior 4000s - it has yellow painted lines instead with stickers every few seats explaining where the exits are.
  Smacks Station Master

Just saw 4017 and 4019 running not in service at Oaklands. I noticed that if a 6 car set stops on platform 2 at oaklands for a red it doesn't clear the level crossing. Perhaps why we haven't seen any regular services running as 6 cars?
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Just saw 4017 and 4019 running not in service at Oaklands. I noticed that if a 6 car set stops on platform 2 at oaklands for a red it doesn't clear the level crossing. Perhaps why we haven't seen any regular services running as 6 cars?
"Smacks"

This is a regular empty stock working which passes Ascot Park about 1630 citybound.  It forms the 1710 and 1720 Adel - Seaford.

Alex C
  Smacks Station Master

Just saw 4017 and 4019 running not in service at Oaklands. I noticed that if a 6 car set stops on platform 2 at oaklands for a red it doesn't clear the level crossing. Perhaps why we haven't seen any regular services running as 6 cars?

This is a regular empty stock working which passes Ascot Park about 1630 citybound.  It forms the 1710 and 1720 Adel - Seaford.

Alex C

62430
I'm aware of the working, there's a similar one in the morning. I was more interested in the fact that a 6 car set does not clear the crossing. Seems like poor planning to me.
  Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington
Sorry if this has already been reported but 4019 set has beeps that occur when the doors are able to be opened and when they are closing in addition to the 'doors closing' announcement, in a similar style to the upgraded 3000 class. I haven't noticed this on any other set I've been on.
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
Any sightings of 4021 and/or 4022?

(I read somewhere not long ago that delivery of all 22 EMUs was scheduled to be completed by end of September.}

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