A-City trains

 
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Any sightings of 4021 and/or 4022?

(I read somewhere not long ago that delivery of all 22 EMUs was scheduled to be completed by end of September.}
1S47
Which should be taken as a guarantee that all 22 units would not, under any circumstances, be delivered by the end of September - at least not September this year.

We wouldn't want Bombardier to slip up and do something inconsistent with the tradition established with every other one of their previous delivery schedules for the EMUs.

It's a pity that the government didn't demand the inclusion of a similar clause to the one which had Siemens building Deutsche Bahn an extra Velaro D high speed unit once the delay was longer than six months. We could have enough free A-City EMUs to run a high frequency service on the next Adelaide-Salisbury stage by now!

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  Halo Chief Train Controller

All trains have these door beeps Tonsley, however they are that quiet as to almost be useless. Same as the beeps on the card only validators.
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
the stopping procedure on the 4k needs work, its terribly inefficient

now arriving at "Oaklands"
**train stops**
beep-beep-beep "Oaklands"
**passengers board***
beep-beep-beep "Doors Closing"
beep-beep-beep (Doors Closing)
**train departs**

this whole procedure is slow and cumbersome, especially if no-one gets on or off
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

the stopping procedure on the 4k needs work, its terribly inefficient

now arriving at "Oaklands"
**train stops**
beep-beep-beep "Oaklands"
**passengers board***
beep-beep-beep "Doors Closing"
beep-beep-beep (Doors Closing)
**train departs**

this whole procedure is slow and cumbersome, especially if no-one gets on or off
mclaren2007
The decision to save a few dollars by going for slow and flimsy plug doors is coming home to roost. The pocket doors on the DEMUs are far superior to the plug doors, and modern ones could be even faster than the 80's tech on the DEMUs.
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
IIRC, the 3000s had manually operated doors before their refurbishment. It was only the 2000s that had button operated ones.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

the stopping procedure on the 4k needs work, its terribly inefficient

now arriving at "Oaklands"
**train stops**
beep-beep-beep "Oaklands"
**passengers board***
beep-beep-beep "Doors Closing"
beep-beep-beep (Doors Closing)
**train departs**

this whole procedure is slow and cumbersome, especially if no-one gets on or off
The decision to save a few dollars by going for slow and flimsy plug doors is coming home to roost. The pocket doors on the DEMUs are far superior to the plug doors, and modern ones could be even faster than the 80's tech on the DEMUs.
justapassenger
Justapax, you need to get out more; plug type doors are almost universal in Europe and UK.

However in Europe the door closing sequences are much faster. Much like this "doors closing", beep, beep, beep, clunk!

I suggest the door operation be speeded up in stages until Adelaide's unwashed get used to the speed and efficiency available from an electric service.

I watch two trains creep across Wheatland Street Seacliff last night (first day back from OS); when are they going to stop playing grandmother's steps and let us get our money's worth?
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL

It's a pity that the government didn't demand the inclusion of a similar clause to the one which had Siemens building Deutsche Bahn an extra Velaro D high speed unit once the delay was longer than six months. We could have enough free A-City EMUs to run a high frequency service on the next Adelaide-Salisbury stage by now!

Might just be me, but I've got to figure that DB has slightly more negotiating power than the South Australian government.

And out of curiosity, do we actually know what the cause of the delay is? I've not bothered to look into it, but it wouldn't surprise me greatly if the delays were mutually agreeable to both parties, especially after the state budgets took a turn for the worse.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The order is complete now isn't it?
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Any sightings of 4021 and/or 4022?

(I read somewhere not long ago that delivery of all 22 EMUs was scheduled to be completed by end of September.}
1S47
Which should be taken as a guarantee that all 22 units would not, under any circumstances, be delivered by the end of September - at least not September this year.

We wouldn't want Bombardier to slip up and do something inconsistent with the tradition established with every other one of their previous delivery schedules for the EMUs.
"justapassenger"

Spot on. By the end of September only the trailer car of 4022 had been delivered.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
I noted a few weeks ago that 4003 and 4004 hadn't been in service. 4004 is now back in service.  4003 was in Dry Creek Depot yard with doors open and handrails wrapped in plastic, suggesting that it has undergone significant work.  4005B was sitting on its own, also suggesting non-routine work being carried out.

Alex C
  Halo Chief Train Controller

Note on the 3000s the door closing beeps and announcement only happens if a door is actually opened.

Better still the train takes off much sooner if no doors were opened.

Also to note is that it was Bombardier that upgraded the old trians, yet the new trains seem to be "less smart".
  fairmont1998 Station Staff

Note on the 3000s the door closing beeps and announcement only happens if a door is actually opened.

Better still the train takes off much sooner if no doors were opened.

Also to note is that it was Bombardier that upgraded the old trians, yet the new trains seem to be "less smart".
Halo
The 4000s can take off just as quick as the 3000s if no doors were opened. They can be on the move before the doors closing announcement has finished.
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Has anyone any news on arrivals of the last railcar segments?
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Has anyone any news on arrivals of the last railcar segments?
"nm39"

I passed Seaford Depot at 1250.  3016/3023 were north of the shed on the west shed road heading slowly away from the shed.  4014 was on the east Shed road N of the shed and 4021 was on the same road S of the shed, which is only accessible through the shed.  No evidence of 4022 outside the shed, but there was an A end nose visible on the west road within the shed, which I take to be 4022.  From recent observations the east shed road has been used for maintenance of in service units and I assume the west road has held the latest unit being commisioned.  Today was the first time I had seen 4021.  The diesels must have followed the 1306 from Seaford back into the city and were stabled in Adelaide yard when I arrived back on the 1321 ex Seaford.

Alex C
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
4021 was in service yesterday.

Alex C
  Smacks Station Master

Saw 4021 running into Oaklands towards adelaide at about 1210. Then I saw it about 10 minutes later at Brighton running towards Seaford. Where would it have reversed?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Saw 4021 running into Oaklands towards adelaide at about 1210. Then I saw it about 10 minutes later at Brighton running towards Seaford. Where would it have reversed?
Smacks
On the crossover just north of Oaklands.

The next closest crossover north of there is between Adelaide Showground and Leader Street.
  Smacks Station Master

Saw 4021 running into Oaklands towards adelaide at about 1210. Then I saw it about 10 minutes later at Brighton running towards Seaford. Where would it have reversed?
On the crossover just north of Oaklands.

The next closest crossover north of there is between Adelaide Showground and Leader Street.
justapassenger
That's what I thought, however I thought trains could only turn back towards the city at Oaklands. I must have been wrong, Thanks JAP.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Saw 4021 running into Oaklands towards adelaide at about 1210. Then I saw it about 10 minutes later at Brighton running towards Seaford. Where would it have reversed?
Smacks
Oaklands?
  Smacks Station Master

Saw 4021 running into Oaklands towards adelaide at about 1210. Then I saw it about 10 minutes later at Brighton running towards Seaford. Where would it have reversed?
Oaklands?
steam4ian
Yes Ian, Oaklands railway station.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
For those who aren't on facebook 4000 class appreciation group, Sunday marked the last road delivery of the 4000 class railcars, with 4022B being delivered to Seaford Depot. Thanks to Wayne Smile
  Smacks Station Master

4004 has the new door sounds, similar to 4019 as well as the emergency exit stickers on the seats like 4020. Is this what is being done at Dry Creek?
  Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington
I also noticed that the doors on 4004 take much longer to close than the other sets. The sequence goes 'ding doors closing ding' then 3-5 seconds later the door actually closes.
  Smacks Station Master

I also noticed that the doors on 4004 take much longer to close than the other sets. The sequence goes 'ding doors closing ding' then 3-5 seconds later the door actually closes.
Tonsley213
I didn't notice that today. I think its dependent on the driver closing the doors, as sometimes on the same set it will close as the announcement is going but sometimes it will take ages. Strangely the new beeping sounds seem to be over the top of the old one, I could still hear that.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
4022 was in service this afternoon.  This is the first time I have observed this.  Prior to the Seaford closure it had been sitting on the South Yard hard standing and I believe it remained there during the overhead work.

Alex C

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