"WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT" - BHP SD40's for Scrap

 
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
How so?

It's a fate which most motive power will face, and is inevitable for most. You can't save everything, nor can ignore that this is the reality of the situation. Locos get scrapped. Deal with it.
Barrington Womble
Agreed - I'd rather see defunct assets scrapped and done away with than rusting away in a paddock somewhere.

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  PeltonPinch Locomotive Fireman

Agreed - I'd rather see defunct assets scrapped and done away with than rusting away in a paddock somewhere.
Raichase
True. If you told people that they had to keep their old 12-inch VHF only black & white TVs regardless of whether or not they bought newer ones, instead of sending them to the tip, or recycling them, there'd be uproar. But some of these same inflamed persons expect companies/governments/everyone but themselves to keep these old locomotives in service, or protected somehow. OK, keep one if someone is prepared (and seriously prepared) to look after it, but if nobody is, then scrap it and use the bits for something valuable to society. Why get broken hearted over what is now effectively junk being cut up?
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Foamers will be foamers....
  sar602 Chief Train Controller

Location: Nomadic truckie
How am i a foamer for not getting a hard on about seeing some locos been broken up WTF?
I just find it distressing to see something that has served their owners so well for almost half a century have this happen to them, it dosent matter if it was a loco a truck or a ship whatever i know that this is what happens unfortunately but it dosent mean im going to celerbrate it.
If any of you blokes knew me you would know i am anything but a foamer just someone who appreciates a well built machine. the only thing that usually gets the foam going with me is some nice piece with a big as#.....
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
They were not the same locos when scrapped as they were when built.   They were flogged nearly to death in the US, then re-built, before coming to Australia and serving their new owners for a few years.   They were well past their use by date.
  allambee Chief Train Controller

I had a good laugh seeing those pictures, destroy them so no one else can use them, condition of sale "cannot be used on iron ore projects"
The cost of a used loco is diddly squat compared with the overall BHPB business. So what if someone else wants to use them on a work train for another project, won't affect the BHPB bottom line.

Samsung will repeat the whole exercise for Roy Hill,

Along with the others in WA the BHPB corporate attitude is extremely petty, and sums up the whole iron ore business ethos in the Pilbara, short term, narrow minded, capitalism at its worst.

No power grid, everyone running there running their own trains on their own lines, no plans or development for infrastructure for townships (except for a lot of talk), 1 million dollar fibro houses in Port Hedland, light switch mentally with FIFO and 457 labour.

Some days I really wish Vale ruins the iron ore business in the Pilbara.
  PILBARAMAN Train Controller

Location: PILBARA
I had a good laugh seeing those pictures, destroy them so no one else can use them, condition of sale "cannot be used on iron ore projects"
The cost of a used loco is diddly squat compared with the overall BHPB business. So what if someone else wants to use them on a work train for another project, won't affect the BHPB bottom line.

Samsung will repeat the whole exercise for Roy Hill,

Along with the others in WA the BHPB corporate attitude is extremely petty, and sums up the whole iron ore business ethos in the Pilbara, short term, narrow minded, capitalism at its worst.

No power grid, everyone running there running their own trains on their own lines, no plans or development for infrastructure for townships (except for a lot of talk), 1 million dollar fibro houses in Port Hedland, light switch mentally with FIFO and 457 labour.

Some days I really wish Vale ruins the iron ore business in the Pilbara.
"allambee"
  PILBARAMAN Train Controller

Location: PILBARA
"PILBARAMAN"


The Pilbara Iron Ore business will be and has been more than competitive with Brazilian iron ore as in Vale due to distance to Port-China,and as for Locos being cut up that is their right if no buyer is found,end of argument.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
If scrap steel is the best return they can get in a competitive world who cares .
  JGS Moderator Well. We'll see about THAT!

Location: Junee NSW
Interesting.

your a sick man seriously WTF and your a moderater of a fourm of rail enthusiasts seriously??
sar602

Let's have a look at this, shall we? I won't dissect the spelling or grammatical issues with your post, but look at the sentiment within. I refer also to your later post;

How am i a foamer for not getting a hard on about seeing some locos been broken up WTF?
I just find it distressing to see something that has served their owners so well for almost half a century have this happen to them, it dosent matter if it was a loco a truck or a ship whatever i know that this is what happens unfortunately but it dosent mean im going to celerbrate it.
If any of you blokes knew me you would know i am anything but a foamer just someone who appreciates a well built machine. the only thing that usually gets the foam going with me is some nice piece with a big as#.....
sar60


How am I sick for enjoying seeing pics of locos being scrapped? As we know, most locomotives end up being scrapped, and that's how it goes. Locomotives are tools, they do not have personalities, or characters. So, locos have been used, they haven't ''served their owners so well..."Just like a microwave oven or a toaster, they serve a purpose and are scrapped or repurposed when their effective life is over. Nothing that you or I might do will change the reality that these metal objects are scrapped. I'm interested to see the process undertaken to reduce locomotives to their components and materials. An intellectual curiosity prompts me.

How is it "distressing" that these things are chopped when they're no longer of use to their owners? Are you distressed when your DVD player stops working and isn't worth repairing? Do you suffer angst when the clothes dryer burns its motor out and can't be repaired? If you're going to be consistent, then you should be.

I don't know what you do for a living, but I'm in the rail industry. While rail is a interest, it is also my employment. It's important to be realistic when working with these pieces of machinery. They wear out, either by component or entirely. It's how it goes.

As for your surprise that I'm a moderator, even holding the views I've expressed, why is that a problem? If anything, it's important that moderators are able to be objective about matters. If we're going to sob, wail, gnash our teeth and wring our hands with sorrow and grief when a locomotive gets scrapped, then we're not doing anybody any favours.

I must admit that I'm puzzled by your reversal of attitudes. You seem to attribute almost-human characteristics to inanimate objects. You speak of locos "serving" as if it's a choice that they make, or a noble duty that they give themselves to do. Meanwhile, you look at other humans as objects. You speak of other humans as being "some nice piece with a big as#....." If that's not the objectification of humans, then I don't know what is.

Please note that this post is written not in my capacity as a moderator, but as a Railpage user.

Cheers,
Matt
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Matt, please indulge me while I dissect your post. Note, I'm not taking sides here, just providing some commentary.

Locomotives are tools, they do not have personalities, or characters.
JGS


Many railwaymen would disagree with that statement, especially with regard to steam locomotives, which are almost living breathing creatures when lit up.

Are you distressed when your DVD player stops working and isn't worth repairing? Do you suffer angst when the clothes dryer burns its motor out and can't be repaired? If you're going to be consistent, then you should be.
JGS


I don't think consistency comes into it. Some of us get very attached to certain possessions. By way of example, I have been close to tears when trading in a much loved car that has had its day, but have no compunction about putting a faulty DVD player in the wheelie bin.

It's important to be realistic when working with these pieces of machinery. They wear out, either by component or entirely. It's how it goes.
JGS


I know exactly what you mean, however I'm sure many railwaymen have their favourite locomotive. The one they prefer to drive/fire. I can understand them becoming attached to an individual loco or class of loco and getting a bit misty eyed when seeing it scrapped. You are not wrong to think the way you do and neither are they.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Matt, please indulge me while I dissect your post. Note, I'm not taking sides here, just providing some commentary.



Many railwaymen would disagree with that statement, especially with regard to steam locomotives, which are almost living breathing creatures when lit up.



I don't think consistency comes into it. Some of us get very attached to certain possessions. By way of example, I have been close to tears when trading in a much loved car that has had its day, but have no compunction about putting a faulty DVD player in the wheelie bin.



I know exactly what you mean, however I'm sure many railwaymen have their favourite locomotive. The one they prefer to drive/fire. I can understand them becoming attached to an individual loco or class of loco and getting a bit misty eyed when seeing it scrapped. You are not wrong to think the way you do and neither are they.
Graham4405
You really have some sort of serious emotional problem if trading in a car brings you to tears. I am glad to get rid of it for something much better in that the cost of maintaining a clapped out car is just not worth it. Usually having to buy a new set of tyres for the old clunker does the trick.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
You really have some sort of serious emotional problem if trading in a car brings you to tears. I am glad to get rid of it for something much better in that the cost of maintaining a clapped out car is just not worth it. Usually having to buy a new set of tyres for the old clunker does the trick.
nswtrains
I can agree to a point, but bringing to tears. Shocked
It really depends on how long you keep your cars for.
We recently gave our old car to my brother.  Granted it was an older model car that we had owned for 7 years.  It was washed often, serviced every 5000kms (self-service, being a mechanic helps), never broke down and never crashed.
Now to look at it, you would never know it was the same car.

Hardly shed a tear, but I feel as if we should have kept it.

But back onto topic, we all hold things dear to us, while others may think we are nuts.
  allambee Chief Train Controller

The Pilbara Iron Ore business will be and has been more than competitive with Brazilian iron ore as in Vale due to distance to Port-China,and as for Locos being cut up that is their right if no buyer is found,end of argument.
PILBARAMAN
Conditions of sale were that they couldn't be used in the West for other iron ore railway purposes.

Anyway Samsung will repeat the whole exercise.

Vales mega bulk carriers and Malaysian project and Reinharts new Roy Hill project means will result in cannibalization of the market, resulting in further job losses, and more automation.

http://sinoshipnews.com/news_content.php?fid=3w3c1243

http://baminternational.com/projects/jetty-for-iron-ore-vessels-perak-lumut-malaysia
  allambee Chief Train Controller

The Pilbara Iron Ore business will be and has been more than competitive with Brazilian iron ore as in Vale due to distance to Port-China,and as for Locos being cut up that is their right if no buyer is found,end of argument.
Conditions of sale were that they couldn't be used in the West for other iron ore railway purposes.

Anyway Samsung will repeat the whole exercise.

Vales mega bulk carriers and Malaysian project and Reinharts new Roy Hill project means will result in cannibalization of the market, resulting in further job losses, and more automation.

http://sinoshipnews.com/news_content.php?fid=3w3c1243

http://baminternational.com/projects/jetty-for-iron-ore-vessels-perak-lumut-malaysia
  JGS Moderator Well. We'll see about THAT!

Location: Junee NSW
Graham,

I accept and respect your position. I'm talking from someone who is involved in the maintenance, servicing, and rebuilding of diesel locomotives. From that perspective, it's hard to get attached.

I can understand that some train crew may have a connection. Somehow I doubt that the user who arced up over my comments is a part of train crew. Hence, there's no connection other than enthusiasm (at best), or foaming (at worst).

Cheers,
Matt
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
You really have some sort of serious emotional problem if trading in a car brings you to tears.
nswtrains
I probably exaggerated slightly to make a point. Wink In my defence I was quite young at the time... Mr. Green
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I'm perplexed why people must be one or the other, and the opposite side "must be crazy". I'm saddened to see locos being cut up for scrap, I hate seeing photos with "the huge claw" coming in for the kill. Because, as has been said, they take on personalities. They're more than just machines. That being said, their time is up, it's an economic reality. Heck, the government railways retired old clunkers en masse because their time was up, the only reason they've lived to fight another day is the post privatisation era. Imagine if we still had government run railways, there would be no B, S, 44, T, 442, 930 etc classes still running!
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
they are not needed so cut them up. it is not as if there is a shortage of SD40's in Australia or the world. as a matter of fact I drove one at work tonight.
  M636C Minister for Railways

they are not needed so cut them up. it is not as if there is a shortage of SD40's in Australia or the world. as a matter of fact I drove one at work tonight.
wn514

But no more SD40-2s....  which are longer with different trucks....

M636C
  GS4 Train Controller

......... thank god you guys weren't running a certain scrap yard in Wales in the 70's.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
......... thank god you guys weren't running a certain scrap yard in Wales in the 70's.
GS4
I'd certainly be concerned if a lot of people here were too, as I'd suggest they'd be dangerously unqualified to do so! Wink
  Lumberjack Locomotive Driver

Location: Makeni - Sierra Leone
From my understanding, the BHPBIO SD40's were purchased to fill in a horsepower gap that BHPBIO was desperately in need of. The time to place an order and delivery time of locomotives was too great. There was a number of rebuilt SD40's from the America's available which BHPBIO then purchased and were delivered in a matter of months. But, there was a snag. Customs. BHPBIO negotiated with the Customs Dept that the duty payable was not paid, on the proviso that the locomotives have I think a 10 life in the Pilbara then were to be exported out of Australia. If they were not exported at end of life, a payment had to be made or the locomotives had to be cut up for scrap.

Just along the road north of the BHPBIO North West Hwy crossing is a large number of ore wagons, quietly rusting away. Another Customs farce, these wagons were ordered by no other than Lang Hancock in the Romanian iron ore/ steel deal, where Lang supplied iron ore to Romania and they in turn returned the steel to Lang in the form of wagons to bypass the duty. Customs get their knickers in a twist and the wagons have been placed in storage behind a fence.

BHPBIO got a number of these wagons out of this yard, paid a sum of monies to Customs, placed them on bogies and entered these few wagons into their ore fleet to replace a number of wagons that had been damaged beyond repair after a spectacular derailment on a collapsing bridge near Kalgan.
  allambee Chief Train Controller

From my understanding, the BHPBIO SD40's were purchased to fill in a horsepower gap that BHPBIO was desperately in need of. The time to place an order and delivery time of locomotives was too great. There was a number of rebuilt SD40's from the America's available which BHPBIO then purchased and were delivered in a matter of months. But, there was a snag. Customs. BHPBIO negotiated with the Customs Dept that the duty payable was not paid, on the proviso that the locomotives have I think a 10 life in the Pilbara then were to be exported out of Australia. If they were not exported at end of life, a payment had to be made or the locomotives had to be cut up for scrap.

Just along the road north of the BHPBIO North West Hwy crossing is a large number of ore wagons, quietly rusting away. Another Customs farce, these wagons were ordered by no other than Lang Hancock in the Romanian iron ore/ steel deal, where Lang supplied iron ore to Romania and they in turn returned the steel to Lang in the form of wagons to bypass the duty. Customs get their knickers in a twist and the wagons have been placed in storage behind a fence.

BHPBIO got a number of these wagons out of this yard, paid a sum of monies to Customs, placed them on bogies and entered these few wagons into their ore fleet to replace a number of wagons that had been damaged beyond repair after a spectacular derailment on a collapsing bridge near Kalgan.
Lumberjack
Custom duties on 2nd hand locomotives?
We pay a pittance for importing new fabricated structural steel in from Asia for mine infrastructure work, even less for Asian countries where Australia has a free trade agreement.

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