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  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Just heard the spokesperson from the Royal Show drop a clanger on Michael Smyth's ABC 891 Drive Program, just before the 5 o'clock news she said --- that the train shuttle will be working for this years show, it will stop near the Dog pavilion -- next year it will be normal services.

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  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Just heard the spokesperson from the Royal Show drop a clanger on Michael Smyth's ABC 891 Drive Program, just before the 5 o'clock news she said --- that the train shuttle will be working for this years show, it will stop near the Dog pavilion -- next year it will be normal services.
AFULE
The clanger being ... ?

The photos below taken on Saturday at Wayville show that
(a) new signals have been installed on the Seaford line including signal 413, a single aspect (fixed red?) on the Down Seaford opposite Maple Ave and and signal 412 with single feather (only to Up Seaford and not Up Belair)
(b) the access mound over the Seaford lines to the island platform has been removed.

These suggest a shuttle service to the Wayville down platform is planned.  The Royal Show 2013 map http://www.adelaideshowground.com.au/public/download.jsp?id=5662 shows a single platform rail station adjacent to the Dog Pavillion (ie the site of the Down Seaford platform).

Wayville from Leader St



Signal 413 (fixed red?) from corner of Maple Ave



Wayville Signals from Keswick Bridge


Wayville Station from Keswick Bridge


Alex C
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
If you listen to the interview you would have heard her make coded comments that indicated it wasn't for her to announce that the shuttle was going to operate to the show this year.
  heath ivan loxton Beginner

Location: Banned
well having Wayville be ready in time for the royal show IS pushing it isn't it?
  trainlover Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide.
well having Wayville be ready in time for the royal show IS pushing it isn't it?
heath ivan loxton
Their are signs up on Anzac Highway and Richmond road which have the new Wayville station l completion date is November.
Also for the fun of it i used the Adelaide metro site to find times for Salisbury to the Royal show SaturdAy the 7th September it told me to catch train to Adelaide walk to to Currie street and catch the 21W SHOW BUS.

With the amont of People coming into Adelaide for the show  frpm the Gawler and Outer harbour train lines if no show shuttle a Subsitute bus out the front of the Adelaide station for the show would be the way to go.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

The down Seaford platform looks like it only needs a toping and erection of a marque for ticket sales etc.

There is as yet no access to the up and Belair platforms.

From the evidence in this thread it is possible to operate a showground service using the Seaford line as far as signal 413 which is fixed red. In operation trains could run from ARS to the down platform and discharge pax. The train could then load with up bound pax then continue down to signal 416. The train would then reverse and return to ARS by the up line. Having a driver each end would facilitate reversing.

QED.

Ian
  SouthAussie94 Station Staff

A quick look at the map on the Royal Show website shows that the Wayville platform is shown, with a new entrace in the North Western corner of the show grounds.

My guess would be that they'll "finish" the eastern most platfrom and the associated track to such a standard that a shuttle can run to and from the city.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/noarlunga-rail-service-wont-be-up-and-running-in-time-for-adelaide-royal-show-placing-extra-pressure-on-parking/story-fni6uo1m-1226704468355

PARKING at the Royal Show will come under extra pressure with revelations the Noarlunga rail service will not be back on track in time for next month's event, according to organisers.
The Advertiser can also reveal the new Wayville Railway Station - which the State Government planned to be "operational in time for the Adelaide Show'' - will not be completed in time.

The Transport Department said its "expectation'' is trains will be running again next month, but the Royal Agricultural &Horticultural Society said the line will not be operating during showtime between September 6 and 14.
"Our understanding is the Noarlunga line won't be running,'' society executive director John Rothwell said.
He hopes southern suburb show-goers will use substitute bus service instead for the Noarlunga and Tonsley lines which are closed for upgrade.

However, Unley Mayor Lachlan Clyne said it "would be logical more people will be looking to drive in from the southern suburbs'' due to the lack of train services.
And he warned motorists to obey temporary traffic restrictions in place during the show.
"We do focus on enforcement around the area because cars parked across driveways pose a risk in the event emergency services are called out,'' he said.
At a meeting last night the Unley Council discussed the potential impact of the line's closure on demand for car parking around the Wayville showgrounds.

Mayor Clyne said extra bus services and more parkland parking space could help deal with the southern suburb line closures.
While the Belair service has been running since last month, its passengers will not be able to disembark at the Wayville station and will instead have to travel into the city and catch a shuttle service back to the station because it will have only one platform operating during the show.

They could also use the recently reopened Goodwood Station.
The transport department yesterday could not confirm the September reopening date of the Noarlunga line, which has been closed for electrification and upgrading since January.
However, in a statement last week it said the Wayville shared use path (running along the wester boundary of the showgrounds) would be reopened for the duration of the show.
Toe Rag not fit for burning

Huh ?
Oh dear, so many different stories in one article.

The photos 62430 took show the platform nearest the show to be lacking the concrete ramp, and platform surface itself hasn't been poured either. I can't see it be complete enough to even walk over, much less having the shelter and other faculties installed.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

What a beat up.

Belair pax have always used Goodwood to go to the Show as have NC pax.

As for the eastern Platform a quick coat of asphalt and you have a temporary surface long enough for the show. A shelter, I suggested a Marque as was used for the temporary stop.

The article suggests that the show shuttle will be running.

Ian
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

As for the eastern Platform a quick coat of asphalt and you have a temporary surface long enough for the show. A shelter, I suggested a Marque as was used for the temporary stop.

The article suggests that the show shuttle will be running.
steam4ian
If the show shuttle must run as a train and not just a higher frequency 21W to the Goodwood Road entrance, to me it looks like the best option would be to get the same old staging contractor to set up the temporary platform for one last time. Further down to the south after the future Wayville station, around the spot where it would stop to change ends and near the back access gate as used previously.

It's a clean and simple solution that would get the job done without getting in the way of the station construction continuing. The eventual opening of the fully constructed station could well be held up by over three weeks - a week for rushing something into place, a week of no work during the Show and then for at least a week after the Show as the rush job has to be dug up and done properly.


The main thing the department needs to do is have security deny all their communications staff entry to the building when they arrive at work today, they are so obviously incompetent it would be better if they were all fired. The Advertiser story is the usual garbage, but it does show quite nicely the mess of mixed messages going on here with three second-hand sources (the unnamed source quoted yesterday, the City of Unley and the RAHS) reporting completely different understandings of where things are at, with the end result being that the department has absolutely no capability to make sure a consistent message is being pushed out in all media formats and to all external agencies who have an interest. If the communications staff have lost their ability to control the message then there's no point having them there.

If they had competent communications officers who proactively pushed out honest updates on their website and to the media, there would have been no need for the confusion reported by the Advertiser. People are going to be far less offended by there being delays in the various works around Adelaide than they are by the government attempting to hope they won't notice. This is a case where somebody needs to take ownership of the issue, kick some heads and get things back on track.
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Today, Tuesday 8.57am, 891 ABC - Minister for Transport Tom Koots stated that the rail shuttle service from Adelaide to the Wayville Showgrounds will be operating to the show again this year.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Today, Tuesday 8.57am, 891 ABC - Minister for Transport Tom Koots stated that the rail shuttle service from Adelaide to the Wayville Showgrounds will be operating to the show again this year.
AFULE

And some of us here think it is possible.

Thanks
Rex.
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
And some of us here think it is possible.

Thanks
Rex.
steam4ian
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  Thornaby Chief Train Controller

"Parking at the Royal Show will come under extra pressure with revelations the Noarlunga rail service will not be back on track in time for next month's event, according to organisers".


Well that'll mean a caning for the N4 service then hey.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Looking at the photo there, I'd suggest that the show shuttle will run to a temporary platform to that fixed signal as indicated on the photo above. I'd suggest that the fixed signal is a temporary signal until the line further south is ready to be connected in, which then it will become a full fledged signal with wand to allow movement from the Seaford Down to the Belair. IIRC, it doesn't take long to erect showground central. This would fit in with what turbo Tom is saying. The fact that the signals are lit, I'd suggest those points are all operational, and currently either locked or just haven't move since testing, thus commissioned prior to the Belair line opening.

I'm wondering if the N3 will be allowed to stop at Stop 3 Anzac Highway for the show.
  trainlover Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide.
At last they have woken up their was no way they could run a show shuttle this year and it will be a sub bus after all from North Terrace to the Show grounds called 23W check Adelaide Metro site for times.

The line between Adelaide and Goodwood and is stiil considered to be a Worksite at this stage,
  poxbox3030 Train Controller

Location: Train Control
At last they have woken up their was no way they could run a show shuttle this year and it will be a sub bus after all from  North Terrace to the Show grounds called 23W check Adelaide Metro site for times.

The line between Adelaide and Goodwood and is stiil considered to be a Worksite at this stage,
"trainlover"


I just read the adelaide metro website as you suggested and it states that the 23W AND the train will be operating on the same page. It's even written on the promo graphic in the top right corner and included on the map. Someone didn't read the whole page me thinks!
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
Like Rex, a lot rides on the Show shuttles and commitments have been made.  If from a practical sense it can happen I strongly believe it will happen....8)
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It doesn't say there will be a Showground Central shuttle train, it says there will be a shuttle train to the new Wayville station, along with the 21W, 22W and 23W. Lots of details on there about T and F buses making extra stops, but nothing about the Noarlunga sub buses having any different stopping patterns - but why should they shaft the regular commuters in that way when the express trains they're replacing don't make extra stops and there are plenty of regular bus routes that do make extra stops?

Now that it's been published, they can't back out without looking extremely stupid. If they hadn't published that there would be trains, they could have easily spun the upgraded city shuttle buses as being the best way to get there, with eight per hour each way spread across the 21W for Goodwood Road and the 23W for Leader Street. If nothing had ever been said about the trains nobody would have missed them beyond a handful of railfans, indeed for people not living near a station a shuttle bus is better as they can change in the city instead of trekking out to the station for the shuttle.

Do the communications staff putting updates on the website even have the foggiest idea of what's going on at the moment, or do they just publish what they were told to months ago without ever questioning whether it's still true?
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
In past years, the Noarlunga Train has stopped at Goodwood after 9am, except for the long haul express services (17:10, 17:14, 17:43 etc)
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
A look at Wayville station this afternoon showed that the concrete access ramp to the Down Seaford platform was complete apart from handrail and that the platform had been surfaced apart from the platform edge.  The access stairway appears to be progressing so trains next week look possible.  The sig/comms cables under Keswick Bridge have now been placed within the metal ducting.

Alex C
  poxbox3030 Train Controller

Location: Train Control
It doesn't say there will be a Showground Central shuttle train, it says there will be a shuttle train to the new Wayville station
"justapassenger"


I never mentioned a 'Showgrounds Central' shuttle train, just a Show Shuttle.
  defman Station Master

The down Seaford platform looks like it only needs a toping and erection of a marque for ticket sales etc.

There is as yet no access to the up and Belair platforms.

From the evidence in this thread it is possible to operate a showground service using the Seaford line as far as signal 413 which is fixed red. In operation trains could run from ARS to the down platform and discharge pax. The train could then load with up bound pax then continue down to signal 416. The train would then reverse and return to ARS by the up line. Having a driver each end would facilitate reversing.

QED.

Ian
"steam4ian"


Give the man a cigar.... As that's exactly the way we've been told they want us to do it....
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Test train 3 car 3000 ran to Wayville this afternoon. I took some photos but am currently unable to post them to the forum as the message formatting toolbar is not appearing on the Post a reply form.

Alex C
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Test train 3 car 3000 ran to Wayville this afternoon. I took some photos but am currently unable to post them to the forum as the message formatting toolbar is not appearing on the Post a reply form.

Alex C
62430
Here are the photos.  I cleared cookies and that reset the website interface.

Train services must be imminent.  The TSRs have appeared (see photos 1 & 3)!

1.  Wayville Down Seaford platform, now surfaced and handrails fitted to the stairs and ramp.


2. Test train approaches Keswick about 15.45 on Down Seaford line.


3. Test train pauses at Wayville for inspection


4. Test train reverses at Signals 413 (down) and 412 (up)


5. Test train returns on Up Seaford line.


Alex C

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