Newcastle Rail Line: Announcements

 
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Others have suggested starting a new thread instead of continuing in this thread, as the title was getting out of date.

That's the best title that I can come up that won't at least get out of date.

The main links:
14 Dec 2013: Major announcement that the rail line is to be cut, at 10AM.
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11372182.htm

NEWS SECTION
Their are other articles in the Maitland Mercury as well.

(I wonder why he wants them along Hunter St now, as if we didn't know?!)

Not sure if their/there are any other threads to the Newcastle rail issue.

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  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Thank you Newcastle. I'll be back in the homeland soon and will take a look about the heavy rail operation between Hamilton and Newcastle - hopefully not for the last time...
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I did take notes about what Tim Owen said about Maitland as I posted here: http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1861845.htm#1861845, but the stuff I used for some reason is too muffled.

Doing a search for Newcastle on the Maitland Mercury site seems to miss some later articles about this subject.
  tezza Chief Commissioner
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

OPINION: Closed doors muffle transport debate http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1804600/opinion-closed-doors-muffle-transport-debate/?cs=308#disqus_thread

Newcastle Port Study by Novermber:
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1805860/newcastle-port-study-by-november-update/?cs=303
But note this:
Mr Baird has announced the formation of a community liaison group that will get the chance to have its say on the State Government’s plans to secure a long-term lease of the port of Newcastle.

It will comprise Newcastle MP Tim Owen, key port users and tenants, and local business and industry groups, and be kept abreast of the scoping study that the government has commissioned on the proposed port leasing.
Penelope Green from Newcastle Herald
But note what the group will not include, and who will and who will not get details of this study.

Just heard a news clip that Newcastle, and Baird said that Newcastle is not getting anymore than $340 million.
  ssaunders Train Controller
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

More proof that the developers ARE after the rail land.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1834163/broadmeadow-transport-interchange-plan/?cs=305

Also have just noticed this media release: [size=2]http://saveourrail.org.au/?p=677[/size]

It has already been said by the developers, and Paul Murphy that they don't want ANYTHING on that rail land - "Wonder why now"
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

More proof that the developers ARE after the rail land.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1834163/broadmeadow-transport-interchange-plan/?cs=305

It has already been said by the developers, and Paul Murphy that they don't want ANYTHING on that rail land - "Wonder why now"
Newcastle Express

‘‘It provides an opportunity to extend the Maitland rail network in the future to the Central Coast, and also improves the Sydney city services,’’ he said.
The Herald
Connecting the "Maitland rail network" to the Central Coast is more important than Newcastle? Oh no, it's just an "opportunity"... What a load of BS.



some may call it karma. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-03/p ... ht/4995460
ssaunders
lol... if only his plans to redevelop the rail corridior would crash and burn

The Lord Mayor of Newcastle just happens to be a property developer.... hmmmm yeah, I have full confidence in our democratic institutions.... and the ignorance of the electorate... Confused
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

If it isn't a land grab, then why are developers after it?

Headshunt, McCloy due to him having the cash, was able to advertise about 20 times more than any other candidate at September 2012's council elections. He made sure that almost EVERY bus stop had his mug, um ur face on it, and even at the polling booths, he was allowed to have more posters than any other candidate. The near by polling booths had about 20 vote for McCloy advertising posters, but other candidates only had one advertising brochure.

Their should be a rule at any political polling booth that only one poster per political candidate be allowed to be shown.

One of the comments from here

I can understand a statement that would indicate a decision made in respect of " the quickest implementation, easiest transitional arrangements and lowest capital cost."
I find it hard to justify a subsequent statement that then highlights, " while putting the light rail system on the existing rail corridor was ‘‘easier’’ and cheaper, the economic benefit of moving it on to Hunter Street could not be ignored"!
What is the economic benefit of moving the light rail route a paltry 30 mtrs to the south in a move that is more expensive & harder!
Please explain why related decisions are made using one rationale only to use the opposite rationale for the other half...?
Leave the rail corridor as a light rail corridor, complete with beautification works, landscaping & corridor fence removal - it does not entirely make sense to do it another way & contradict yourself in the process!
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I know this is entitled announcements, but I think this would be suitable here. Oh, and their are various anti-rail articles in the Newcastle Herald. Just too many to keep up with.

And by the way, several people have asked "If the PCA, McCloy, GPT, don't want the rail land, then why don't they wan't anything, either on, above or below the rail land?" So far these developers have refused to answer that question.

FAT AS BUTTER:
From what I observed, the following info seems to be correct. I was told that some Newcastle City Council (NCC) workers were also out today, but with either camera phones, and/or cameras. What they observed is that once again, these NCC workers waited to more than a few hundred passengers getting off the train, and then filming only a few passengers getting off, and this person said they were doing the same when the Maitland trains came in, when these 2 car Hunter Cars had a few hundred passengers.

Oh by the way, the first train arriving just after 11am, was a 4 car V-Set (was meant to be an 8 car V today), I would estimate a around 500 passengers - ie: a crush load, and we have proof.

The extra trains from both Central & Maitland also had a large number of passengers, same thing.
The two extra Maitland to Newcastle trains while we were there, were actually overcrowding.
The normal timetabled Maitland to Newcastle trains seemed to have the overflow from the extra trains, as their seemed to be no room, but even this overflow if you want to call it that, the passenger numbers were large.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Surely Council should be wary of making it harder for people to get to foreshore events, making 5000 people change at an interchange would be a crowd issue.
  tezza Chief Commissioner

They didnt all arrive or leave at the same time and considerable more passengers travelled to the music festival by bus or on foot.After about 7pm there were trains leaving Newcastle less than half full.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Tezza, that is just NOT true, I was there, and also at Civic, and can also confirm that the only a small part of the crowd came by bus. And yet a night train that was full (around 8p or so), and was most were not from the FAB festival.

To others, what does the below video show? (You need to watch from Youtube)
That happened throughout the day:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVhb63P0fDA

In fact, the buses are the ones that only had handfull of passengers, some buses with only a few passengers.

Both the normal and extra trains had were full to overcrowded. And the Maitland trains required TWO extra trains before the normal timetabled trains, and these extra trains were crowded, with what I would call an overflow using the normal Maitland timetabled trains. And yes we do have evidence of this.

While it may have been announced, people should not fall for this light rail "sweetener". We know developers are after the rail land. All you have to do is look to see why they are after the rail land.
  Daryl Junior Train Controller

Location: Carrum Downs
I haven't read everything: What is the plan for the Newcastle station buildings?

I assume the developers want to remove everything.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I haven't read everything: What is the plan for the Newcastle station buildings?

I assume the developers want to remove everything.
Daryl
The buildings are heritage protected and probably incorporated in any plan for re-development.
  tezza Chief Commissioner
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I haven't read everything: What is the plan for the Newcastle station buildings?

I assume the developers want to remove everything.
Daryl
It's easy to see developers are after the rail land.

Plan for Newcastle Station buildings?
Let's put this way, the STATE government demolished the Civic Station Signal Box, which IS STILL on the heritage. See: [size=2]http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4801623[/size]

Scroll down, and you can see the reference of "rare".

The state government also removed the run around road at Newcastle Station, and has been confirmed that it was on the heritage list, and was NOT meant to be removed. Maintained yes, but not removed.
  allambee Chief Train Controller

It's easy to see developers are after the rail land.

Plan for Newcastle Station buildings?
Let's put this way, the STATE government demolished the Civic Station Signal Box, which IS STILL on the heritage. See: [size=2]http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4801623[/size]

Scroll down, and you can see the reference of "rare".

The state government also removed the run around road at Newcastle Station, and has been confirmed that it was on the heritage list, and was NOT meant to be removed. Maintained yes, but not removed.
Newcastle Express
The developers are after all public land when they need it. They also do everything to prevent the land being sold off in a competitive tender.
Just look what Lend Lease did down at Barangaroo and Darling Harbour. Being banned in Victoria to tender on public work, I'm amazed that company has achieved so much under a Liberal/National government.
Developers are also eyeing the airspace  and possibly ground space at Central Station country platforms, that site has been in the developers cross hairs for some time.
  tezza Chief Commissioner

Member for Newcastle Tim Owen's speech in Parliament last week

http://www.timowenmp.com.au/site/index.cfm?PageMode=indiv&module=NEWS&page_id=401426&leca=839
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

If it isn't a land grab, then why are developers after it?
Newcastle Express


I should have said "If isn't a land grab, then why are developers interested in cutting the rail line?"

To continue:
See: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1934565/electoral-cash-trail-revealed/?cs=305
(Oh look, McCloy's name pops up!)
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I just voted NO in one of the Herald's polls, but the result of the poll showed a 100% YES.

Edit: That poll result doesn't seem to be consistent.
  tezza Chief Commissioner

You need to enter the vote have it registered.
Another Newcastle Herald article....

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1976522/plan-to-bring-back-city-trams-poll-photos/?cs=303
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I did. I voted NO, yet it still came up as a 100% YES.

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