Trainorama (BOBS HOBBIES) update

 
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Bobs Hobbies News update

More 48s soon, rerun of 44,47,49s with retooled chassis new motor etc

GMs, VR S not far

http://www.bobshobbies.com.au/index.php/news

From their news page, see below


"PRESS RELEASE"

The continuing production run of the 48 Class
is proceeding smoothly with the soon delivery of the latter-day colour scheme variations whichmany have been waiting for. If you’re on our email contact customer base, you’ll be hearing from us quite soon. So, be sure to let us know your email address if you can. Notwithstanding, when known, the arrival date will be published on this site, saving you making that phone call.

Meanwhile, completion of the GM-1 and GM-12 Class
along with theVR-S Class diesel electric locos sporting some long awaited livery changes is currently in hand. We’ll advise the factory shipment date by email andon this web-site when known.

We are pleased to announce the big news of the day being that re-toolingof the chassis’ for the renown TrainOrama 44, 47 and 49 Class locos is under-way; Which iconic models will sport the latest can motor and quality running which made our 48 Class such a success.

So, those 44 Class cab running numbers that you’ve been waiting for will feature. Not to be out-shone by both re-runs of the 47 and 49 Class to be produced to the best quality possible, as achieved with the 48 Class
.

Again, we’ll let you know arrival dates when known. These re-runs will be the "Piece De Resistance!” in various liveries that will be sure to please.
  Harley Junior Train Controller

Location: Clergate, NSW
That 'press release' is really irritating to read! Surely a bit of proofreading could have been done before posting it.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Well, if they've got S300, 302, 306, 311, 312, and 315 in V/line livery with exactly the same marker light tooling as last time, I'll buy at least 3.
They did only 2 in V/Line livery last time, and they went like the proverbial through a goose. Lets see if they make the same mistake again with only 2 in V/Line livery??

Regards
  73LJWhiteSL Deputy Commissioner

Location: South East Melbourne Surburbs
You'd think they would be silly to do so few numbers of V/Line.

I wonder if we are going to see any of those other colours, such as WCR, PN, Rail Power, V/LINE (Pass), GNRS, SSR, CFCLA?

Steve
  Piston Train Controller

Does the "retooling of the chassis for the renown Trainorama 44, etc" mean they may have solved the split gear problem?

Can only hope.
  AdelaideHills Station Staff

Location: Southwestern Germany
Does the "retooling of the chassis for the renown Trainorama 44, etc" mean they may have solved the split gear problem?

Can only hope.
Piston
This means basically a retooling of the metal frame to accept a new motor after the motor of their new supplier may have different motor case dimensions. A new supplier can also mean new gearwheels or a better suitable injection molding material at least but I guess that they improve all issues to avoid the same claims by customers.

I would appreciate more modern versions of the S class with CFCLA and PacNat livery but modern GMs are my favorite ones.

Thomas
  Flatop Deputy Commissioner

Location: Some where in a Cab
no one knows what might arrive until the models get here. We will all be surprised when it does happen.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
This means basically a retooling of the metal frame to accept a new motor after the motor of their new supplier may have different motor case dimensions. A new supplier can also mean new gearwheels or a better suitable injection molding material at least but I guess that they improve all issues to avoid the same claims by customers.

I would appreciate more modern versions of the S class with CFCLA and PacNat livery but modern GMs are my favorite ones.

Thomas
AdelaideHills
I  suspect that the way things are at the moment, the cost of retooling for motor changes is going to take what extra cash Bob is prepared to put in. This reasoning would suggest that he needs a quick return (and a quick delivery?)  If the GM, 42 Class, S Class project is all out of the same factory it would be really good if they decided to bring out the extra liveries that applied to unmodified locomotives That is single markers with whistles on nose or roof.  The missing GMs added to the order, perhaps even 42's if their were a market for them? But I hope they do them all as one order, and make sufficient to satisfy the huge demand that I am guessing will be waiting for them.

If I was running Traino, I believe I would bring in perhaps 200 undecorated locomotives (a mix of all the different classes) with all the extra body detail left off (placed in a bag with instructions) so missing liveries could be updated and painted up. They already do this in the States. If the new chassis are finished? Then what the heck create some revenue and import these undec models right now or when you can get a slot, and sell them for $300 undec and also tell them what new liveries are in the pipe line. Your only worry would be some fools would use these to create liveries coming and hurt sales..But wait a minute, you still got your $300 Very Happy

Modifying noses will probably mean that the dies can no longer make original versions. Depending how the dies were designed?  It still seems that older locomotives sell well, and they may be loathe to change those dies. If they can modify a real locomotive, then so can we in HO Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
  a6et Minister for Railways

I  suspect that the way things are at the moment, the cost of retooling for motor changes is going to take what extra cash Bob is prepared to put in. This reasoning would suggest that he needs a quick return (and a quick delivery?)  If the GM, 42 Class, S Class project is all out of the same factory it would be really good if they decided to bring out the extra liveries that applied to unmodified locomotives That is single markers with whistles on nose or roof.  The missing GMs added to the order, perhaps even 42's if their were a market for them? But I hope they do them all as one order, and make sufficient to satisfy the huge demand that I am guessing will be waiting for them.

If I was running Traino, I believe I would bring in perhaps 200 undecorated locomotives (a mix of all the different classes) with all the extra body detail left off (placed in a bag with instructions) so missing liveries could be updated and painted up. They already do this in the States. If the new chassis are finished? Then what the heck create some revenue and import these undec models right now or when you can get a slot, and sell them for $300 undec and also tell them what new liveries are in the pipe line. Your only worry would be some fools would use these to create liveries coming and hurt sales..But wait a minute, you still got your $300 Very Happy

Modifying noses will probably mean that the dies can no longer make original versions. Depending how the dies were designed?  It still seems that older locomotives sell well, and they may be loathe to change those dies. If they can modify a real locomotive, then so can we in HO Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
comtrain
I would think that the runs that Bob Cooke is bringing out are those that were part of the original listings that were put on hold with the move to the new factory, possibly to include more of the most popular liveries.

Considering that there has been no more, at least in the public forums such as RP that has the split gear problems after TOR got new wheels with the gears produced at their new factory, I would assume the new tooling would only be for the underfloor & not the bodies unless tooling had already been done for different variations.  The chassis, motors, & gears will be to the same standard as Heljan models as they come from the same factory anyway.

He does mention the 44cl however, I hope but doubt if they will be done is the original as delivered Mk1 & 2 versions, as the minor body alterations would not likely be cost affective, but they would sell well, as against reruns of the modified versions that were slow in their last run sales.  But one can only hope.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
I would think that the runs that Bob Cooke is bringing out are those that were part of the original listings that were put on hold with the move to the new factory, possibly to include more of the most popular liveries.


a6et
That's a fair point Col.
Does anybody have details of the original release specs for the S Class and the GM?

That was a long time ago and both Classes have seen a lot of paint since then.
For the S Class their was VR, V/Line, Great Northern, West Coast and V/Line Pass The last three sometimes required mods such as ditch lights and reinforced windscreen and marker lights. Of course the V/Line ones appeared standard and then some got the mods after 317 was rebuilt? Most if not all of the new liveries to follow would require modified bodies or kit bashing.
The GM's appear to have retained their decrepit green and Gold far longer than any other Smile But Commonwealth, different versions of AN, Great Northern would all lead up to the modified ARG liveries
Then comes SSR CFLA and more All needing kit bashing.
So I think if a manufacturer wanted to do something special and pander to the real railway modellers out there (not me as I am a ready to run plonker these days Wink )    Trainorama should again take the lead and as quickly as possible release undecorated (shake the box) kits to allow those who can, to do their own thing. They should be able to do them very quickly after the tooling has been modified, even if the new liveries would take another 12 months.
Cheers
Rod
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Then comes SSR CFLCA and more All needing kit bashing.
comtrain
I get the Impression SSR and CFCLA liveries were just applied to the ex GN and WCR bulldog stock by the looks of it, so that might end up being just one variation.

Looking at S300, looks like it's had little to no mods from previous owner, quite possibly only ditch lights. Not the hardest object to make.

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  a6et Minister for Railways

That's a fair point Col.
Does anybody have details of the original release specs for the S Class and the GM?

That was a long time ago and both Classes have seen a lot of paint since then.
For the S Class their was VR, V/Line, Great Northern, West Coast and V/Line Pass The last three sometimes required mods such as ditch lights and reinforced windscreen and marker lights. Of course the V/Line ones appeared standard and then some got the mods after 317 was rebuilt? Most if not all of the new liveries to follow would require modified bodies or kit bashing.
The GM's appear to have retained their decrepit green and Gold far longer than any other Smile But Commonwealth, different versions of AN, Great Northern would all lead up to the modified ARG liveries
Then comes SSR CFLA and more All needing kit bashing.
So I think if a manufacturer wanted to do something special and pander to the real railway modellers out there (not me as I am a ready to run plonker these days Wink )    Trainorama should again take the lead and as quickly as possible release undecorated (shake the box) kits to allow those who can, to do their own thing. They should be able to do them very quickly after the tooling has been modified, even if the new liveries would take another 12 months.
Cheers
Rod
comtrain
I don't disagree with you on the shake the box type models, although I would suggest that unless there is a decent price cut from the full RTR type & doubt is many would buy them, after all it was discussed on another thread a while back now that one of the importers had indicated that it would no cheaper to have the detail off the model, owing to the labor rates in China at the time. unless there's been a big change then doubt it would happenn with any of the importers, but maybe I could well be proved wrong.

Other aspects that have been said & something that Auscision do not seem to have been plagued with is that some of the factories will only do so many paint schemes, has that changed?  Seems that older Victorian models may have been subjected to more schemes than NSW & we were bad enough, but which ones are popular & those not?  Something that is really impossible to determine or read the market, as some schemes deemed to be dud sellers are now looked for.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
I don't disagree with you on the shake the box type models, although I would suggest that unless there is a decent price cut from the full RTR type & doubt is many would buy them, after all it was discussed on another thread a while back now that one of the importers had indicated that it would no cheaper to have the detail off the model, owing to the labor rates in China at the time. unless there's been a big change then doubt it would happenn with any of the importers, but maybe I could well be proved wrong.

Other aspects that have been said & something that Auscision do not seem to have been plagued with is that some of the factories will only do so many paint schemes, has that changed?  Seems that older Victorian models may have been subjected to more schemes than NSW & we were bad enough, but which ones are popular & those not?  Something that is really impossible to determine or read the market, as some schemes deemed to be dud sellers are now looked for.
a6et
Col
I think what you are forgetting, is that many people over the years have stripped back the original paint, removed all the details and kit bashed locomotives and rolling stock. Lima bodies number in the thousands and few were left unchanged at our level. Smile
But even today where it must be very hard to strip down an Auscision N Class and repaint them, many are doing just that.

I might go so far to say, that many more will get done, if someone could save all the trouble of disassembling a model, and stripping it back for a repaint.  If I still painted these days, and you gave me the choice of an unpainted S Class for $300 and a painted one for the same price, I would certainly paint up my Great Northern S and GM classes using the bare models as a start. I would be so pleased to save all that work and not to risk damage to a pre painted one Very Happy

Actually we might never know unless somebody is game to try it on.

I think it was Austrains that refused to sell undecorated engines. But that was a business decision because he believed it was far easier to just make the models he selected. He was talked into doing chassis for C and X Classes but eventually refused to stock all spare parts, again another business decision.
Traino could make a lot of friends if they reverse these decisions and stock undecorated units, as well as a full range of parts. Auscision almost do this. Their parts display is really good, just does not go far enough.

Col if you could buy two undec 44 Class you could scratch build your first series, I would think?
Cheers
Rod
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
If VLP and WCR liveries aren't going to be done on the S class re-runs, then I'd certainly be interested in an undecorated model. I'd be hesitant to strip and modify a completed, painted model, but an undecorated one I'd be game to try.
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Trouble these days is that all the "smart business people" are not interested in modellers.  We had one in Brisbane who wanted to sell almost anything RTR, but he wouldn't stock bits and pieces for kit bashing or scratch building.  The attitude is that no one is interested in that any more.  Whether he was right or wrong I can't say.  I can only speak for myself, and I am always a sucker for bits and pieces.

The shop in Brisbane I mentioned closed not that long back.  I am not saying it was because he didn't stock odds and ends.  More like the punters all get on the internet and buy cheap overseas.  Not criticizing them - just saying.

John
  a6et Minister for Railways

Col
I think what you are forgetting, is that many people over the years have stripped back the original paint, removed all the details and kit bashed locomotives and rolling stock. Lima bodies number in the thousands and few were left unchanged at our level. Smile
But even today where it must be very hard to strip down an Auscision N Class and repaint them, many are doing just that.

I might go so far to say, that many more will get done, if someone could save all the trouble of disassembling a model, and stripping it back for a repaint.  If I still painted these days, and you gave me the choice of an unpainted S Class for $300 and a painted one for the same price, I would certainly paint up my Great Northern S and GM classes using the bare models as a start. I would be so pleased to save all that work and not to risk damage to a pre painted one Very Happy

Actually we might never know unless somebody is game to try it on.

I think it was Austrains that refused to sell undecorated engines. But that was a business decision because he believed it was far easier to just make the models he selected. He was talked into doing chassis for C and X Classes but eventually refused to stock all spare parts, again another business decision.
Traino could make a lot of friends if they reverse these decisions and stock undecorated units, as well as a full range of parts. Auscision almost do this. Their parts display is really good, just does not go far enough.

Col if you could buy two undec 44 Class you could scratch build your first series, I would think?
Cheers
Rod
comtrain
Rod

I would really suggest that you along with all those who want the undecorated models to contact TOR & put your case, I actually remember seeing quite a few non numbered diesels over there a while back, & the call for spare bodies was answered but they sat in a box for ages, & sold at pretty cheap prices that is with 44cl.

I was able to back date a 44cl not hard but not easy either, hardest part was getting the right colour mix for the early 44's.
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

I have finally taken ownership of 1 of 2 48's paid for in June 2008, candy still to come...

Great representation of the original despite the lack of angle on the nose of the short hood end

Is it common for the side cab windows to be misaligned/loose?

(note to time since last reply - did not want to start new thread, others were even older)
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
Hi GW,

The side Windows can be opened and closed. If seeing a misalignment, it is probably because the Windows are not closed!

So... Hopefully the last two of my 830's will turn up soon... Just as well I have patience... SmileSmile
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Purchased at 830 class last night.  In transit.
  standard gauge Station Master

Update in the news section

Pre order info and forms for GM1 and S class

GM   1 and 6 CR.  
     44 and 46 AN
     22 and 27 SSR

S 304, 305 & 313 VR blue
S 308 and 312 V/line

$295.00
No deposit required
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Update in the news section

Pre order info and forms for GM1 and S class

GM   1 and 6 CR.  
     44 and 46 AN
     22 and 27 SSR

S 304, 305 & 313 VR blue
S 308 and 312 V/line

$295.00
No deposit required
standard gauge
https://www.bobshobbies.com.au/image/catalog/Trainorama%20GM%20Class%20-%20Order%20-Page%202.jpg

Its great to see upgraded light boards using 21 pin Decoders bringing Traino in line with other manufacturers.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Look nice.

Pity we cant get an S300 in V/Line......



Regards
  M636C Minister for Railways

I'm disappointed that GM 1 is only available with the single grille.
GM11 was delivered with both grilles.
I think the others were modified pretty quickly.

I don't think you could run it with any GM12 (1955 and later) and be true to prototype.

Assuming it was relettered in 1975 to ANR, it may have run for 4 years with a single grille each side and 20 years lettered CR with two grilles each side...

M636C
  a6et Minister for Railways

I'm disappointed that GM 1 is only available with the single grille.
GM11 was delivered with both grilles.
I think the others were modified pretty quickly.

I don't think you could run it with any GM12 (1955 and later) and be true to prototype.

Assuming it was relettered in 1975 to ANR, it may have run for 4 years with a single grille each side and 20 years lettered CR with two grilles each side...

M636C
M636C
M. seem to reccolect when the GM's were first brought out there were quite a few complaining that GM1 was not done in the original batch.

I haven't been to the shop in ages but what the staff there told me that this was the version most in demand.

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