Trainorama (BOBS HOBBIES) update

 
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Well, if they've got S300, 302, 306, 311, 312, and 315 in V/line livery with exactly the same marker light tooling as last time, I'll buy at least 3.
They did only 2 in V/Line livery last time, and they went like the proverbial through a goose. Lets see if they make the same mistake again with only 2 in V/Line livery??

Regards
davesvline
Read em like a book. I practically dared them to F up on the number of in each livery, and they've done exactly that.
Just goes to show, if you want anything done in any number of variants that isn't a total balls up, you get AUSCISION to do it PROPERLY (or as close to as feasable).

Really Traino, 3 and 2 VR and V/Line respectively...............

I know for a fact it wasn't for lack of asking. Next thing you'll be telling us you've only done 200 in each number..

Regards

I could have bought 3, but now its only 2. hmmmm who's loss is that??

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  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
No S302 in V/Line Passenger or any of the WCR S Classes, either, both of which I'm sure I wasn't the only one to ask about.
  G Train Locomotive Driver

Bob's Hobbies have their Trainorama 4836 original 125th Anniversary green on special for $240 at the moment. Check out the News & Ordering section on their website for more information. The later green version without lettering is $285.
  standard gauge Station Master

Super special sale at Liverpool

Remaining stock of 48s and 830s  $220.00

Also avaliable on web site,eBay store or phone the store
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
Super special sale at Liverpool

Remaining stock of 48s and 830s  $220.00

Also avaliable on web site,eBay store or phone the store
standard gauge

It actually started today! Just bought another 2 on Ebay! So cheap! Very Happy
  Bills_Billboards Chief Commissioner

Again only 2 numbers for the S class in V/LINE and one only ran for a very short time in V/LINE before becomming a demonstration unit at Dynon and being reclassed to Sd 308
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Again only 2 numbers for the S class in V/LINE and one only ran for a very short time in V/LINE before becomming a demonstration unit at Dynon and being reclassed to Sd 308
Bills_Billboards

Someone should do some decals to renumber them.
  Bills_Billboards Chief Commissioner

Again only 2 numbers for the S class in V/LINE and one only ran for a very short time in V/LINE before becomming a demonstration unit at Dynon and being reclassed to Sd 308

Someone should do some decals to renumber them.
lkernan
Someone already has Wink
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Again only 2 numbers for the S class in V/LINE and one only ran for a very short time in V/LINE before becomming a demonstration unit at Dynon and being reclassed to Sd 308

Someone should do some decals to renumber them.
Someone already has Wink
Bills_Billboards
What about the GM's I would buy another 24 and renumber it 31  if good decals were available.
I was going to get them made, but not much interest as I hear it.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Again only 2 numbers for the S class in V/LINE and one only ran for a very short time in V/LINE before becomming a demonstration unit at Dynon and being reclassed to Sd 308

Someone should do some decals to renumber them.
Someone already has Wink
What about the GM's I would buy another 24 and renumber it 31  if good decals were available.
I was going to get them made, but not much interest as I hear it.
comtrain
Try Signs of all Kinds in the AMRM in the back small advert section, I think they did or have just done a set of decals for CR Diesel locomotives.
  standard gauge Station Master

Christmas sale on 48/830 locomotives

$195.00

While stocks last !!!

Reminds me of the $150.00 44 class days
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Christmas sale on 48/830 locomotives

$195.00

While stocks last !!!

Reminds me of the $150.00 44 class days
standard gauge
I guess they have all done it.
Austrains crushed box sales of C Class? Excuse me John, can I have one not crushed? as he prepares to stand on it for me?

Auscision have been selling B Class and Walkers for a long time at reduced prices.

Southern Models have Christmas Sales

Traino are setting up for the bulldog re-runs and probably need to turn some asset's into dollars as well.

Cheers
Rod
  trainguy84 Junior Train Controller

Hi

Has there been any indications when the 2nd run of GM's will be released?

Thanks

Jason
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Hi

Has there been any indications when the 2nd run of GM's will be released?

Thanks

Jason
trainguy84
According to latest AMRM delivery expected March 2017.
  Hunter3265 Station Staff

Location: Armidale
Good Evening all!

I can see a news update on Toms' website where the S Class production run has been signed off. Worryingly it looks like the roof fans and shade of yellow are still incorrect from when my mates saw the samples last time around. Can't tell if the marker lights are right or not but we can wait and see. I am disappointed that at $295.00 they didn't upgrade the tooling further to Auscision quality since the tooling is now 2004 era! Pricing is not acceptable in my opinion!

I am looking forward to the 1st series GMs in CR and I hope they have addressed the errors on that one because it is coming really soon! Smile

Also on the side; getting more reports of people getting their 44 class axles replaced free of charge after going to Fair Trading. As they should be!

Good night!

Tom.
  trainguy84 Junior Train Controller

Hi

Thanks for that heads up to the latest news.

I've got a Trainorama GM22 in SSR livery hopefully ordered, but haven't had any written confirmation. So hopefully they have my details written down. We're the GMs modelled accurately?

Thanks
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
Good Evening all!

I can see a news update on Toms' website where the S Class production run has been signed off. Worryingly it looks like the roof fans and shade of yellow are still incorrect from when my mates saw the samples last time around. Can't tell if the marker lights are right or not but we can wait and see. I am disappointed that at $295.00 they didn't upgrade the tooling further to Auscision quality since the tooling is now 2004 era! Pricing is not acceptable in my opinion!

I am looking forward to the 1st series GMs in CR and I hope they have addressed the errors on that one because it is coming really soon! Smile

Also on the side; getting more reports of people getting their 44 class axles replaced free of charge after going to Fair Trading. As they should be!

Good night!

Tom.
Hunter3265
At least the nose shape will be right (if using the previous dies) as opposed to the Auscision B.

Mark
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
Is Hunter3265 a sock puppet for Auscision or just an Ausicison fanboy? A beginner with one other post, bagging a product with no evidence except what his "mates" saw?? Reports of "Fair Trading" again, unsourced.

I am very suspicious of posts like this.

Iain
  a6et Minister for Railways

Is Hunter3265 a sock puppet for Auscision or just an Ausicison fanboy? A beginner with one other post, bagging a product with no evidence except what his "mates" saw?? Reports of "Fair Trading" again, unsourced.

I am very suspicious of posts like this.

Iain
When the issue of the gears came up, I spoke to people at West Ryde shop, they told me that when the first models came out they brought out more replacement wheel/gear sets as spare parts than models actually replaced. They also sold out rather quick as word got around, seemed the U.S modellers came in and got them for their models, with the same thing happening with the last lot of gears.

They replaced the wheel sets free of charge when a model was taken to them and the defects shown, no questions asked, any from country/interstate were asked to send the the defective ones back and were replaced.

The hoo har that went on trying to prove the TOR version wrong compared to the Auscision B being the most accurate was proved to be false with the TOR models being correct.  Like all importers they do their best and some errors are made, but at what cost, those modelling the modern era have to be very please in how Auscision can produce their models at fair prices considering the prices asked for from other companies, holding the prices for loco's at under $300.00 has to be subsidised somehow meaning some costs are cut, a prime example is to be found in the Ixion 32cl where a lot of time and money needed to bring it up to scratch and that is only in the areas shown in the AMRM.
  trainguy84 Junior Train Controller

HI

Well I'm quite interested to get my GM in SSR livery, and I hope that other model manufacturers do other SSR locos. I wonder who will be the first to do a S or a C.
  Bills_Billboards Chief Commissioner

HI

Well I'm quite interested to get my GM in SSR livery, and I hope that other model manufacturers do other SSR locos. I wonder who will be the first to do a S or a C.
trainguy84
Why wait can do a bit of old fashioned modelling , Decals for all GM C and orig SSR S class are available from Bills Billboards much more fun than the "plonk" Wink
  a6et Minister for Railways

Is Hunter3265 a sock puppet for Auscision or just an Ausicison fanboy? A beginner with one other post, bagging a product with no evidence except what his "mates" saw?? Reports of "Fair Trading" again, unsourced.

I am very suspicious of posts like this.

Iain
Iain
Iain, A couple of questions that I would like to ask, and as you are essentially a VR modeller and this is for others to answer for my benefit, as being honest I do not know much about the particular models that Hunter3265 is talking about but would be interested in finding out.

He refers to the GM-1 one model with the following quote "errors to be addressed on that one" I have searched old files and cannot find any such versions that were produced by TOR in the past, would that be correct and if its not, then I would love to know what the errors are/were on that model.

The other aspect from him is in regard to requiring or desiring the new models to be upgraded to Auscision quality, I have a TOR 42 and it runs exceptionally well and have nil issues with it after so many years of running. The quality for me is first class and would have imagined that the S & GM's were the same, now with a rerun being done, and despite smaller choice of numbers there does seem to be a reasonable upgrade in certain areas, such as with upgraded motors, new gear box, directional marker lights and now with 21pin sound decoder socket, at least in the advertising of the model.

Therefore the second question would be, what improvement/upgrades would be of the type that the poster would be looking at, although it would be nice to have an answer from Hunter3265 himself.
  trainguy84 Junior Train Controller

Hi


GMs are due June/July and Trainorama will phone all those who have pre ordered.
  Hunter3265 Station Staff

Location: Armidale
Good evening all.

To Iain
You clearly have not seen my multiple posts regarding Ixion’s 32. This is not my first post. I still maintain that the Trainorama 32 class is the best steam locomotive produced for our market and agreed with its maroon colour scheme even though I was put down by other ‘leaders’ in this hobby.  It was a fantastic well made model with beautiful detail. This is up there with the models we see today produced by Auscision and SDS. You can hardly call me an Auscision fanboy as I am just a fan of quality.

To the fair trading point. Do you really think any manufacturer wants to advertise that they were wrong after all the time and give out refunds? You can believe me / my mates or not but I am just calling it as it is. In one circumstance I know of one customer who was told rudely over the phone that he ‘must’ pay the $7 per axle to fix his split gears and that he would need to fix it himself as they do not offer a repair service (which is not helpful for an eighty year old bloke who has Parkinsons and has had the model since 2006). A threat to go to Fair Trading made that person on the phone backtrack very quickly.

To a6et/‘Bob’
I do not know the story between the S and B Class as I do not model Victorian but purely observe new models. The nose is important because it affects the whole look of the model and it seems sales were affected on the Trainorama 48s because of its wrong nose angle by apparently using the wrong data sheets (having seen the Auscision sample theirs has the correct angle and I am waiting for their delivery because I cannot have a model where the face is wrong). But I can say that I have a 42 and 421 and would prefer my 421 but only because the 421 took many years after the 42 to arrive and has the benefit of better research and detail. Auscision can release a model with the amount of detail on its bogies and underframe and finesse on the grilles and roof detailing for $295.00. Yet you will need to fork out the same cost for a 2004 model with nothing more than a new working marker light on the back and 21 pins (which should amount to no additional cost actually). If you know you will release a model that will fall behind the standards set by SDS, Auscision or indeed Austrains (41 class) then that is fine, at least be fair dinkum with pricing. And before you give me another typical argument about how much detail is too much that is simply an excuse for not going to the effort of improving it or at least admitting it won’t be to the current standards. This is setting apart the manufacturers these days and the competition is intense. My 42 runs well just like yours but is well behind an Auscision 421 for detail and running quality, or even the detail accomplished by Trainorama’s own 47 or 32.

The GM-1 model released as AN interested me because I recall GM 1 on tests in NSW. The review here sums up what I have to say on the subject. GM 1 as delivered is very different and I expect the fuel tank valance and fuel tank to be different. Also the windows are not flush with the sides. I hope this is being corrected.
http://barcoola.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/barcoola-review-of-tranoramas-gm1-and.html

My other concern is the shade of red which is far too red and nothing like the maroon used. I can see someone else making the same comment.
http://andrewsmainsouthline.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/trainoramas-gm.html
By the way the upgraded motor and gear box is only because they had split gears and no motor after leaving Sanda Kan which ruined their schedule and Eureka’s. Not the manufacturers fault at all – I feel for them for being left to fend for themselves.

To trainguy84
I recall Trainorama have always released in their online news about the missing tooling for the back of their SSR GMs. I guess that is being fixed right now. The rest I do not know because I do not model that era (anything Candy and after does not exist for me!).

Good discussion all. Good night and most importantly Lest We Forget on such an important day.

Tom.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Good evening all.

To Iain
You clearly have not seen my multiple posts regarding Ixion’s 32. This is not my first post. I still maintain that the Trainorama 32 class is the best steam locomotive produced for our market and agreed with its maroon colour scheme even though I was put down by other ‘leaders’ in this hobby.  It was a fantastic well made model with beautiful detail. This is up there with the models we see today produced by Auscision and SDS. You can hardly call me an Auscision fanboy as I am just a fan of quality.

To the fair trading point. Do you really think any manufacturer wants to advertise that they were wrong after all the time and give out refunds? You can believe me / my mates or not but I am just calling it as it is. In one circumstance I know of one customer who was told rudely over the phone that he ‘must’ pay the $7 per axle to fix his split gears and that he would need to fix it himself as they do not offer a repair service (which is not helpful for an eighty year old bloke who has Parkinsons and has had the model since 2006). A threat to go to Fair Trading made that person on the phone backtrack very quickly.

To a6et/‘Bob’
I do not know the story between the S and B Class as I do not model Victorian but purely observe new models. The nose is important because it affects the whole look of the model and it seems sales were affected on the Trainorama 48s because of its wrong nose angle by apparently using the wrong data sheets (having seen the Auscision sample theirs has the correct angle and I am waiting for their delivery because I cannot have a model where the face is wrong). But I can say that I have a 42 and 421 and would prefer my 421 but only because the 421 took many years after the 42 to arrive and has the benefit of better research and detail. Auscision can release a model with the amount of detail on its bogies and underframe and finesse on the grilles and roof detailing for $295.00. Yet you will need to fork out the same cost for a 2004 model with nothing more than a new working marker light on the back and 21 pins (which should amount to no additional cost actually). If you know you will release a model that will fall behind the standards set by SDS, Auscision or indeed Austrains (41 class) then that is fine, at least be fair dinkum with pricing. And before you give me another typical argument about how much detail is too much that is simply an excuse for not going to the effort of improving it or at least admitting it won’t be to the current standards. This is setting apart the manufacturers these days and the competition is intense. My 42 runs well just like yours but is well behind an Auscision 421 for detail and running quality, or even the detail accomplished by Trainorama’s own 47 or 32.

The GM-1 model released as AN interested me because I recall GM 1 on tests in NSW. The review here sums up what I have to say on the subject. GM 1 as delivered is very different and I expect the fuel tank valance and fuel tank to be different. Also the windows are not flush with the sides. I hope this is being corrected.
http://barcoola.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/barcoola-review-of-tranoramas-gm1-and.html

My other concern is the shade of red which is far too red and nothing like the maroon used. I can see someone else making the same comment.
http://andrewsmainsouthline.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/trainoramas-gm.html
By the way the upgraded motor and gear box is only because they had split gears and no motor after leaving Sanda Kan which ruined their schedule and Eureka’s. Not the manufacturers fault at all – I feel for them for being left to fend for themselves.

To trainguy84
I recall Trainorama have always released in their online news about the missing tooling for the back of their SSR GMs. I guess that is being fixed right now. The rest I do not know because I do not model that era (anything Candy and after does not exist for me!).

Good discussion all. Good night and most importantly Lest We Forget on such an important day.

Tom.
Hunter3265
Tom

As a matter of interest, I am not BOB.

The split gears was an issue for many other companies not just TOR, I also know for a fact which includes modellers I know who model U.S systems who flocked to the old shop when they had spare wheels and gears to use in their models that had been rendered unusable by the same issue.   The problem that you mention with SDK, also has to be be considered that once that factory closed its doors, there was no longer any redress by any of the importers against the factory for them to replace the defective parts. Thus the second and now third lot of replacements, including certain areas of retoolings for models has meant that the new factory has had to make them compatible for the old models.

It also means that any new models and reruns have new motors and different geared axles to the old original models.

You also do not specify all the so called better detail and the so called nose issues that you have said re the GM-1 model, to which as I am of the understanding that it has not as yet been produced.  The thing with the nose issue, is that TOR have actually got the nose correct compared to that of Auscision with their B class which was also proven to be wrong when proper comparisons were made, you can actually go back and check out the issue on RP at the time.

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