Trainorama (BOBS HOBBIES) update

 
  a6et Minister for Railways

Good evening all.

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To a6et/‘Bob’
I do not know the story between the S and B Class as I do not model Victorian but purely observe new models. The nose is important because it affects the whole look of the model and it seems sales were affected on the Trainorama 48s because of its wrong nose angle by apparently using the wrong data sheets (having seen the Auscision sample theirs has the correct angle and I am waiting for their delivery because I cannot have a model where the face is wrong). But I can say that I have a 42 and 421 and would prefer my 421 but only because the 421 took many years after the 42 to arrive and has the benefit of better research and detail. Auscision can release a model with the amount of detail on its bogies and underframe and finesse on the grilles and roof detailing for $295.00. Yet you will need to fork out the same cost for a 2004 model with nothing more than a new working marker light on the back and 21 pins (which should amount to no additional cost actually). If you know you will release a model that will fall behind the standards set by SDS, Auscision or indeed Austrains (41 class) then that is fine, at least be fair dinkum with pricing. And before you give me another typical argument about how much detail is too much that is simply an excuse for not going to the effort of improving it or at least admitting it won’t be to the current standards. This is setting apart the manufacturers these days and the competition is intense. My 42 runs well just like yours but is well behind an Auscision 421 for detail and running quality, or even the detail accomplished by Trainorama’s own 47 or 32.

The GM-1 model released as AN interested me because I recall GM 1 on tests in NSW. The review here sums up what I have to say on the subject. GM 1 as delivered is very different and I expect the fuel tank valance and fuel tank to be different. Also the windows are not flush with the sides. I hope this is being corrected.
http://barcoola.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/barcoola-review-of-tranoramas-gm1-and.html

My other concern is the shade of red which is far too red and nothing like the maroon used. I can see someone else making the same comment.
http://andrewsmainsouthline.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/trainoramas-gm.html
By the way the upgraded motor and gear box is only because they had split gears and no motor after leaving Sanda Kan which ruined their schedule and Eureka’s. Not the manufacturers fault at all – I feel for them for being left to fend for themselves.

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Tom.
Hunter3265
G'day Tom/Hunter3265, although I suspect your real name is different.

Since I posted last to your reply, there is a couple of things that interests me as to your actual interest in the hobby and as a modeler, I realise that everyone has different interests in the hobby, be they in operating a layout, or as a collector, the later aspect can mean many things and collecting as such has many interests, certainly I myself am not much interested in any period of modelling outside of an earlier period than your choice of the Candy period, a period that I still worked on with the NSW railways and later.

The thing though is you mention that in your first sentence you state you do not know about the story between the S and B class but it would provide a degree of interest to you if you cared to look it up, but you then saying that you purely observe new models, which has to be a first in the model railway hobby, as I would think that the vast majority of modellers while they observe models, they do so in order to make choices in regards to purchasing them and to run them, unless of course they are people who are purely collectors only, most of whom purchase an item not so much based on different quality levels and the like but to usually put it behind glass in a display cabinet.  I therefore gather that you buy the models that you mention for a similar interest but take some more interest in them, especially the ends.

Its also interesting about what you refer to with the face of the 48cl, and can vouch for the correctness of the Auscision version, meaning you must have some form of access there, one thing though is that at Liverpool last year I took particular notice of the Auscision model in their showcase going round on the turntable, I also pointed out this model to another person I knew was interested and both of us came away with the opinion that the Auscision model as the same as the TOR model. While it was hard to get a real hands on view, I observed the model closely as it came around to try and pick the angled front, I guess and knowing it was a sample, and must have been a pre-production version if it was wrong, as it could not have been anything else, could it?

Lets also consider the 42 and the 421.  Both loco's have similarities but also quite a deal of differences as well, not least being the bogies, and dual working cabs, to name just two, and of course the radiator shutters changes the appearances remarkably so, there had to be differences in them, and not just a modern research aspect either.

As for the quality between the models, I did have a reread of the two blog articles, and they were very revealing, with the first one actually pretty complimentary to the TOR model regarding quality aspects compared to the Auscision one in regard to the amount of items that have conflicts with the packing.  He also says that while the model is a bit of a creation, much like the TOR maroon high framed 32cl which you had mentioned as well, he did say that he would buy more of them.

The second blog primary issue was the shade of the CR red lighter as against the more correct Austrains CL but was more akin to being of a type of loco that had been "a desert faded red" something that the other blog had also referred to with paint on CR loco's and did not take a lot of time for them to fade. His large colour chip had also been kept in a dark place to protect the originality of it.

Finally, I tend to remember an earlier thread here on RP and I may be wrong on this but I am pretty sure it also had a poster by the the name of Tom, who raised the nose issue with the impending arrival of the TOR models that caused a lot of commentary here on RP at the time, interestingly though while it did seem to affect some sales of the TOR model it has still sold quite well.

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  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Its also interesting about what you refer to with the face of the 48cl, and can vouch for the correctness of the Auscision version, meaning you must have some form of access there, one thing though is that at Liverpool last year I took particular notice of the Auscision model in their showcase going round on the turntable, I also pointed out this model to another person I knew was interested and both of us came away with the opinion that the Auscision model as the same as the TOR model. While it was hard to get a real hands on view, I observed the model closely as it came around to try and pick the angled front, I guess and knowing it was a sample, and must have been a pre-production version if it was wrong, as it could not have been anything else, could it?
a6et
You must be blind if you couldn't pick the difference between the flattened nose on the TOR model and the correct representation of the nose on the Auscision model on display at the Liverpool exhibition. The flattened nose on the TOR model also makes the representation of the number boxes and headlight assembly on the No.1 end completely wrong.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Lets also consider the 42 and the 421.  Both loco's have similarities but also quite a deal of differences as well, not least being the bogies, and dual working cabs, to name just two, and of course the radiator shutters changes the appearances remarkably so, there had to be differences in them, and not just a modern research aspect either.

As for the quality between the models, I did have a reread of the two blog articles, and they were very revealing, with the first one actually pretty complimentary to the TOR model regarding quality aspects compared to the Auscision one in regard to the amount of items that have conflicts with the packing.  He also says that while the model is a bit of a creation, much like the TOR maroon high framed 32cl which you had mentioned as well, he did say that he would buy more of them.
a6et
Having also read the blog articles, the only reference to Auscision was the comment  "GM1 however seems to have a different coupler, maybe the Auscision design" so I don't know what you are on about with your comment "with the first one actually pretty complimentary to the TOR model regarding quality aspects compared to the Auscision one in regards to the amount of items that have conflicts with the packing"
  a6et Minister for Railways

Its also interesting about what you refer to with the face of the 48cl, and can vouch for the correctness of the Auscision version, meaning you must have some form of access there, one thing though is that at Liverpool last year I took particular notice of the Auscision model in their showcase going round on the turntable, I also pointed out this model to another person I knew was interested and both of us came away with the opinion that the Auscision model as the same as the TOR model. While it was hard to get a real hands on view, I observed the model closely as it came around to try and pick the angled front, I guess and knowing it was a sample, and must have been a pre-production version if it was wrong, as it could not have been anything else, could it?
You must be blind if you couldn't pick the difference between the flattened nose on the TOR model and the correct representation of the nose on the Auscision model on display at the Liverpool exhibition. The flattened nose on the TOR model also makes the representation of the number boxes and headlight assembly on the No.1 end completely wrong.
kingfisher
We all see things differently, and I am definitely not blind, the primary area that I was looking at was the mid point outer angle of the nose, and for me I saw it no different to the TOR model.  As I said, it was hard to get a real hands on view of the nose owing to the turntable going round, but I saw enough to form the opinion I said.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Lets also consider the 42 and the 421.  Both loco's have similarities but also quite a deal of differences as well, not least being the bogies, and dual working cabs, to name just two, and of course the radiator shutters changes the appearances remarkably so, there had to be differences in them, and not just a modern research aspect either.

As for the quality between the models, I did have a reread of the two blog articles, and they were very revealing, with the first one actually pretty complimentary to the TOR model regarding quality aspects compared to the Auscision one in regard to the amount of items that have conflicts with the packing.  He also says that while the model is a bit of a creation, much like the TOR maroon high framed 32cl which you had mentioned as well, he did say that he would buy more of them.
Having also read the blog articles, the only reference to Auscision was the comment  "GM1 however seems to have a different coupler, maybe the Auscision design" so I don't know what you are on about with your comment "with the first one actually pretty complimentary to the TOR model regarding quality aspects compared to the Auscision one in regards to the amount of items that have conflicts with the packing"
kingfisher
If you care to check the blog overall it does mention what I said regarding the box and bits aspect between the the TOR model and Auscision packaging, pointing I would suspect to the quality of the fitting of add on items, something that is not just the domain of Auscision but a point made.  Yes he mentioned the coupler but his comment towards the end that says everything seems to be in the right spot, and he also said that he would buy again,  So, I took that as complimentary, especially in light of what TOM has had to say.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

The Trainorama 48 nose is wrong, way too flat and the Auscision model which has the correct angled nose on no1 end shows this up. Very easy to notice this glaring error in the Trainorama 48. Glad I waited for the Auscision 48s that come later in 2017.

The discount prices that Trainorama 48s have dropped to of recent times is a reflection of the fact that most know about this error and are not willing to pay top dollar for a model with such a glaring error.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Its also interesting about what you refer to with the face of the 48cl, and can vouch for the correctness of the Auscision version, meaning you must have some form of access there, one thing though is that at Liverpool last year I took particular notice of the Auscision model in their showcase going round on the turntable, I also pointed out this model to another person I knew was interested and both of us came away with the opinion that the Auscision model as the same as the TOR model. While it was hard to get a real hands on view, I observed the model closely as it came around to try and pick the angled front, I guess and knowing it was a sample, and must have been a pre-production version if it was wrong, as it could not have been anything else, could it?
You must be blind if you couldn't pick the difference between the flattened nose on the TOR model and the correct representation of the nose on the Auscision model on display at the Liverpool exhibition. The flattened nose on the TOR model also makes the representation of the number boxes and headlight assembly on the No.1 end completely wrong.
We all see things differently, and I am definitely not blind, the primary area that I was looking at was the mid point outer angle of the nose, and for me I saw it no different to the TOR model.  As I said, it was hard to get a real hands on view of the nose owing to the turntable going round, but I saw enough to form the opinion I said.
a6et
Have a look at the photo Auscision posted on their Facebook page on August 18 2016. It leaves no doubt that Auscision have the nose correct and that the TOR nose is incorrect. I thought this had been put to bed a long time ago and can't believe that anyone would still be arguing the point.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Lets also consider the 42 and the 421.  Both loco's have similarities but also quite a deal of differences as well, not least being the bogies, and dual working cabs, to name just two, and of course the radiator shutters changes the appearances remarkably so, there had to be differences in them, and not just a modern research aspect either.

As for the quality between the models, I did have a reread of the two blog articles, and they were very revealing, with the first one actually pretty complimentary to the TOR model regarding quality aspects compared to the Auscision one in regard to the amount of items that have conflicts with the packing.  He also says that while the model is a bit of a creation, much like the TOR maroon high framed 32cl which you had mentioned as well, he did say that he would buy more of them.
Having also read the blog articles, the only reference to Auscision was the comment  "GM1 however seems to have a different coupler, maybe the Auscision design" so I don't know what you are on about with your comment "with the first one actually pretty complimentary to the TOR model regarding quality aspects compared to the Auscision one in regards to the amount of items that have conflicts with the packing"
If you care to check the blog overall it does mention what I said regarding the box and bits aspect between the the TOR model and Auscision packaging, pointing I would suspect to the quality of the fitting of add on items, something that is not just the domain of Auscision but a point made.  Yes he mentioned the coupler but his comment towards the end that says everything seems to be in the right spot, and he also said that he would buy again,  So, I took that as complimentary, especially in light of what TOM has had to say.
a6et
The blog comment makes no comparison between the TOR 42 and the Auscision 421. What it does say about packaging is ‘Overall I think that the model is of a very high quality, yet seem to be robust enough to ensure that things don't spring off as soon as you touch it or put it in an Auscision box.” By packaging I am assuming that he is talking about storing the model in one of Auscisions large storage boxes and this clearly has nothing to do with any comparison of the TOR 42 to the Auscision 421. Tell me where there was any comparison for you to be able to make the statement "I did have a reread of the two blog articles, and they were very revealing, with the first one actually pretty complimentary to the TOR model regarding quality aspects compared to the Auscision one"

  a6et Minister for Railways

The Trainorama 48 nose is wrong, way too flat and the Auscision model which has the correct angled nose on no1 end shows this up. Very easy to notice this glaring error in the Trainorama 48. Glad I waited for the Auscision 48s that come later in 2017.

The discount prices that Trainorama 48s have dropped to of recent times is a reflection of the fact that most know about this error and are not willing to pay top dollar for a model with such a glaring error.
2LaGrange
I have not said that the TOR model is not too flat, what I said was when I saw the Auscision one at Liverpool it did not look any better.

I gather Auscision and other importers over the time have not dropped their prices at times either?
  a6et Minister for Railways

The Trainorama 48 nose is wrong, way too flat and the Auscision model which has the correct angled nose on no1 end shows this up. Very easy to notice this glaring error in the Trainorama 48. Glad I waited for the Auscision 48s that come later in 2017.

The discount prices that Trainorama 48s have dropped to of recent times is a reflection of the fact that most know about this error and are not willing to pay top dollar for a model with such a glaring error.
2LaGrange
I have not said that the TOR model is not too flat, what I said was when I saw the Auscision one at Liverpool it did not look any better.

I gather Auscision and other importers over the time have not dropped their prices at times either?
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Please note:

This thread is about Trainorama Models, not a clash between supporters of differeent manufacturers like a clash between opposing footy teams or bikey gangs. I will ask people to rethink their postings.

So, like the Eureka thread, this thread  was locked for a while.  Go and do some modelling  or operating while waiting perhaps, it's a hobby for most. I have had a great day operating my layout with Austrains,Eureka,Southern Models, Haskell, Auscision, Powerline and Trainorama units with equal joy.

Usual warnings - no new threads, I'll remove  'em. And now I reopen this thread, either I'll heavily remove posts or remove new posts that continue this pointless argument - that is to be seen.

You have been warned !
  ed31880 Train Controller

Looks like the S class re run has arrived. Some are already listed for sale on eBay.
  Flatop Deputy Commissioner

Location: Some where in a Cab
The new S Class  looks stunning.a job well done.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
The new S Class  looks stunning.a job well done.
Flatop
Concur completely.

Got mine Friday, and have had a spin around the track. Excellent low speed movement.

Regards
  Flatop Deputy Commissioner

Location: Some where in a Cab
Been asked to let everyone  know  Bob,s hobbies are hoping to have the West Coast S classes  available  next weekend. Please do not ring the shop as they will only be available  at Caulfield.  They are hopeing to be arriving next week by airfreight.  The three numbers w1ill be S300, 302 311. They are airfreighting 100 of eqch number , the rest will follow by sea a few weeks later. This all is up to the factory.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Been asked to let everyone  know  Bob,s hobbies are hoping to have the West Coast S classes  available  next weekend. Please do not ring the shop as they will only be available  at Caulfield.  They are hopeing to be arriving next week by airfreight.  The three numbers w1ill be S300, 302 311. They are airfreighting 100 of eqch number , the rest will follow by sea a few weeks later. This all is up to the factory.
Flatop
They will also be doing another run of VLine versions as well.
  CLF6 Station Master

You dont happen to know how far away the 2nd run GMs may be?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Other than the nose of the Trainorama 48/830 the only other things wrong with them are the coupler heights but nothing that a Kadee of the underset type I think it is will not fix and then there are the ships anchor chains for the ends walkways and handbrakes. The chains can be replaced though! Which I am going to do!

I have a 48 and a 830 and both of mine had the coupler height out  by at least half the height of a Kadee five coupler head. Replacing them though was pretty easy, but why are things like coupler heights out on brand new RTR models though! This was both ends of each model as well and the body was sitting down properly as well.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Been asked to let everyone  know  Bob,s hobbies are hoping to have the West Coast S classes  available  next weekend. Please do not ring the shop as they will only be available  at Caulfield.  They are hopeing to be arriving next week by airfreight.  The three numbers w1ill be S300, 302 311. They are airfreighting 100 of eqch number , the rest will follow by sea a few weeks later. This all is up to the factory.
They will also be doing another run of VLine versions as well.
a6et
Really glad they decided to do the West Coast engines. I am positive that their are many out there who want to retire Lima S Class and B Class for that matter with modern manufactured engines.

I was hoping the SSR GM's would arrive, and in the future S317 might appear in SSR as well. Lots of opportunities to make some bucks here, eh Trainorama? Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
  a6et Minister for Railways

Been asked to let everyone  know  Bob,s hobbies are hoping to have the West Coast S classes  available  next weekend. Please do not ring the shop as they will only be available  at Caulfield.  They are hopeing to be arriving next week by airfreight.  The three numbers w1ill be S300, 302 311. They are airfreighting 100 of eqch number , the rest will follow by sea a few weeks later. This all is up to the factory.
They will also be doing another run of VLine versions as well.
Really glad they decided to do the West Coast engines. I am positive that their are many out there who want to retire Lima S Class and B Class for that matter with modern manufactured engines.

I was hoping the SSR GM's would arrive, and in the future S317 might appear in SSR as well. Lots of opportunities to make some bucks here, eh Trainorama? Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
comtrain
Rod, given the original TOR list of models and the varieties were sitting at 38 different models/numbers/variants etc it would have been a big risk on their behalf, remember the old mob was in power there, I think the new owner is trying to cover as many bases as possible.

I would suggest that the new owner may have taken notice of a particular person who pushed him to produce a run of the WCR models.
  a6et Minister for Railways

You dont happen to know how far away the 2nd run GMs may be?
CLF6
Not sure of the exact schedule but they are high on the list for reruns, as are the 42, 44, 47 and 49class.
  sm-at-eden Station Master

Been asked to let everyone  know  Bob,s hobbies are hoping to have the West Coast S classes  available  next weekend. Please do not ring the shop as they will only be available  at Caulfield.  They are hopeing to be arriving next week by airfreight.  The three numbers w1ill be S300, 302 311. They are airfreighting 100 of eqch number , the rest will follow by sea a few weeks later. This all is up to the factory.
They will also be doing another run of VLine versions as well.
a6et
I have been reliably advised that S306 in VLine is coming.  Whether that is in the airfreighted lot or not, I don't know.
  themetptc Junior Train Controller

Location: Ballarat
So, if the latest batch of S class locos is only available at Caulfield, how does one purchase one of these if they are not going/unable to go to Caulfield?
Sim
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
So, if the latest batch of S class locos is only available at Caulfield, how does one purchase one of these if they are not going/unable to go to Caulfield?
Sim
themetptc
Whoever said they were only available at Caulfield has got it very wrong!

You can order them at the shop and it will cost you a little postage.
My thoughts are they might run out at Caulfield. So I would order them this week to make sure?
I have three new models, converted to loksound (The easiest conversion EVER!!  15 minutes using a DCC sounds chip prepared by Mike Walher) took me less than 15 minutes and I changed out a speaker for a Loksound as well.
Cheers
Rod

https://www.bobshobbies.com.au/LATEST-RELEASE-TrainOrama-S-Class-Locomotive-HO-Scale-VLINE-S312

if not updated, ring the shop and order over phone Very Happy
  themetptc Junior Train Controller

Location: Ballarat
'Flatop' (August 19) says they are only available from Caulfield and not at the shop, from what he was told to say (who by ?). So it would seem, specially as there is no mention at all on Trainoramas website, that this is the case. Therefore those who don't get them from Caulfield, either miss out or wait for them on ebay?
This seems unusually poorly handled by Trainorama.

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