New QUBE SQEF and SQEY container wagons

 
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
There were 30 new QUBE 80' container wagons on the wharf at Carrington today. They were 15 SQEYs on the track, numbered from 00001, with 15 SQEFs numbered from the 00050's and up, riding on top. The axles on the F's appear to be broad gauge. The Y's are standard. I'm guessing the F's will go to the Maryvale paper train?





They are fixed together quite well, so may head to Vic by rail this way....

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  oldghan Station Master

where were these wagons manufactured?
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
I don't know where the are built, however they appear to have similar bogies to the CQBY family of wagons, so I'd guess China.
  oldghan Station Master

If the BG wagons are going onto the paper train is this to replace the current fleet or is this an exercise in augmentation of the current train?
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
I'm only guessing about the Maryvale, however there was a news item a while ago about an 1100 class and new wagons being added to the BG fleet to increase the size of the train.

http://www.latrobevalleyexpress.com.au/story/1705690/new-freight-gateway/
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

NREC are currently building 1109-1111, gauge not stated, due to be shipped in 2013
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Well, an unexpected return of 80ft wagons to Gippsland, the SG ones would be for the Harefield service.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Well, an unexpected return of 80ft wagons to Gippsland, the SG ones would be for the Harefield service.
speedemon08
Or could be all for BG.
  DrSmith Train Controller

LowndesJ515
Or could be all for BG. There will be 90 wagons. The top-loaded are bg with convertible bogies. You will note that this makes them a fraction heavier. The paper traffic is correct. It is a significant investment in new wagons particularly for Victoria. This is a turn-key project by CIMC from a Tongling factory in the PRC.

  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Or could be all for BG.
LowndesJ515
Then why the two Codes?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
TOC Waiver for the SQEY's

http://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TOC/Files/12344.PDF?494738444
  DrSmith Train Controller

Then why the two Codes? The SQEF is set for bg operation at max 80km/hr with gapped side-bearers and when setting for sg operation the wheels are re-positioned on the axles etc the side-bearers are then set-up as constant contact resilient types and the speed limit is raised to 115km/hr and the re-code is SQEY.
speedemon08
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Base on previous post the Ys and Fs are on different bogie frames (bolsters only presumably). In this day and age why would anyone go back to gap sidebearers regardless of gauge.
  DrSmith Train Controller

Wagons limited to 80km / hr as on the bg in Victoria do not have to have a dynamic behaviour speed test so why go to all that expense? You would have to find bg track capable for such a test. The conversion for sg operation is just take the blocks out and drop resilients into the pockets. The wagons may end up on sg one day!
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
SQEY- Tare of 23T, Capacity 77T. The bogies have narrow bolsters so can't easily become SG.

SQEF- Tare of 23.5T, Capacity 76.5T. The bogies have wide bolsters and the wheel sets have a straight section for the wheel to be pressed in to SG.

Also on the dock, there was one pair of new PN coal wagons, may have been on the same ship?




*EDIT* I meant BG on the top line, not SG.
  DrSmith Train Controller

SQEY- Tare of 23T, Capacity 77T. The bogies have narrow bolsters so can't easily become SG.

SQEF- Tare of 23.5T, Capacity 76.5T. The bogies have wide bolsters and the wheel sets have a straight section for the wheel to be pressed in to SG.

Also on the dock, there was one pair of new PN coal wagons, may have been on the same ship?




*EDIT* I meant BG on the top line, not SG. It is hardly un-likely that sg wagons would ever go down to Vic for bg operation. The loadings proposed on bg may restrict the speed of the SQEFs to lower than 80km/hr. The cost of dynamic testing amortised over only 40 wagons is an un-necessary expense  (and less competitive) as you un-likely to ever build them again. The WGSY hoppers have the same set-up re bogies.
EFB5800
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Wagons limited to 80km / hr as on the bg in Victoria do not have to have a dynamic behaviour speed test so why go to all that expense? You would have to find bg track capable for such a test. The conversion for sg operation is just take the blocks out and drop resilients into the pockets. The wagons may end up on sg one day!
DrSmith
Sorry if this is silly, but does this mean that I can build anything for the Victorian BG to run at less than 80km/h and not have to ride test it etc, please?
  DrSmith Train Controller

Wagons must have certain tests.....compression, tension, torsion and sometimes impact etc. These are in empty and loaded condition. Then there are swing tests for coupling etc, curve negotiation all done on fully compressed springs along with wheel clearance. Then there is the rolling-stock gauge testing and brake force etc. This does take some time and some nice equipment.
You will recall that back in history there was the freely exchanged interstate wagons that had the codes ending with L, X and W.
L was for "limited" (no grade control so not allowed to go down Blue Mts), X was for the std 3-piece bogies and W was for "low level" and up-set coupler wagons. The speed limit was 80km/hr and the gap side-bearers were set at 11 to 14mm that enabled exchange. Above 80km/hr the 3-piece bogie starts some terrible dynamic behaviour. Thus you have the Y coding for bogies that can not be exchanged as the side-bearers are selected to suit the vehicle. These wagons then become subject to other tests such as twist and different track abnormalities. This can get quite exciting but can be expensive. You can-not test bg in China. China uses the same criteria as Australia based on the well known Assoc'n of American Railroads stds. To bring a prototype to Aust for bg tests loses time and is costly and as the wagons are not going to exceed 80km/hr, then why bother?
  DrSmith Train Controller

Wagons must have certain tests.....compression, tension, torsion and sometimes impact etc. These are in empty and loaded condition. Then there are swing tests for coupling etc, curve negotiation all done on fully compressed springs along with wheel clearance. Then there is the rolling-stock gauge testing and brake force etc. This does take some time and some nice equipment.
You will recall that back in history there was the freely exchanged interstate wagons that had the codes ending with L, X and W.
L was for "limited" (no grade control so not allowed to go down Blue Mts), X was for the std 3-piece bogies and W was for "low level" and up-set coupler wagons. The speed limit was 80km/hr and the gap side-bearers were set at 11 to 14mm that enabled exchange. Above 80km/hr the 3-piece bogie starts some terrible dynamic behaviour. Thus you have the Y coding for bogies that can not be exchanged as the side-bearers are selected to suit the vehicle. These wagons then become subject to other tests such as twist and different track abnormalities. This can get quite exciting but can be expensive. You can-not test bg in China. China uses the same criteria as Australia based on the well known Assoc'n of American Railroads stds. To bring a prototype to Aust for bg tests loses time and is costly and as the wagons are not going to exceed 80km/hr, then why bother?
  DrSmith Train Controller

Wagons are on the move to Melbourne today / tomorrow.....get the cameras out.
The two 'new" coalies on the Newcastle wharf have been there for years.....they are the Qiqihar rejects by Pacific national.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Due at Somerton at 1840 Thursday evening.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
The train was over 3hrs behind schedule when I filmed it near East Kilmore. The promised GL was joined by an 80 class during the run.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPIC88POCfs
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
The train was over 3hrs behind schedule when I filmed it near East Kilmore. The promised GL was joined by an 80 class for the run.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPIC88POCfs
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
The train was over 3hrs behind schedule when I filmed it near East Kilmore. The promised GL was joined by an 80 class for the run.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPIC88POCfs
Poath Junction
8044 was supposed to run the train solo from Junee to Somerton until the 80 Class died at Wagga Wagga. GL101 was dispatched from Junee as the rescue loco. I jumped on at Benalla and ran it through to Somerton then shunted the yard, pretty nice wagons. Be interesting to see how they go with a full load on board and 18 wagons together with the 6 CQRX's.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out

The SQEF's are on 9471/2 today

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