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      Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, SA
    Hi,
    I was refereeing my school sports day today at the Santos athletics stadium and I saw 2 NR class "Ghan" coloured locomotives come from the terminal end of the yard and reverse to the turntable turnout, then push forward onto the turntable so 1 loco was just forward of the turntable and the other loco was actually on the turntable. the 2 locos then uncoupled and the loco on the turntable was turned around very quickly by the electric turntable. they were then recoupled together and proceeded out of the turntable road and back to the Keswick platform. I nearly cried with joy to see this turntable used as I thought that it was disused!

    has anyone else seen this turntable get used before?
    is it a regular occurrence for PN to turn GSR locos there or is this a special once off?
    Posted: 04 Apr 2014 16:48

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      Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Under Hilton Bridge
    This turntable would be used every day...some days more than once.....8)
    Posted: 04 Apr 2014 16:54
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    I nearly cried with joy to see this turntable used as I thought that it was disused!
    Heath Loxton

    Heath

    You seriously need to get a life! Smile
    Posted: 04 Apr 2014 18:03
      fabricator Chief Commissioner

    Location: Gawler
    I nearly cried with joy to see this turntable used as I thought that it was disused!
    Heath Loxton

    I nearly cried with to see you using this account as I hoped that it was disused!

    Simple rule with railways, unless the track has 3 foot of grass or trees growing around it, it's in use.
    Just because no one ever bothered to repaint it so it looks nice, doesn't mean it's disused.
    Posted: 04 Apr 2014 19:53
      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

    is it a regular occurrence for PN to turn GSR locos there or is this a special once off?
    "Heath Loxton"

    And sometimes they even turn GSR carriages on it!
    can you guess why?

    The turntable was moved there when AN built the keswick terminal and has been used ever since. It was even dual gauged!!!
    Posted: 04 Apr 2014 22:12

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      Nightfire Minister for Railways

    Location: Gippsland
    The turntable was moved there when AN built the keswick terminal and has been used ever since. It was even dual gauged!!!
    Pressman

    With the standard gauge rail changing sides at the centre of the table, or has It been simplified with broad gauge abolished ?
    Posted: 04 Apr 2014 22:27
      Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, SA
    No steam for Ian,
    when I said I nearly cried don't take it literally.
    I didn't start blushing and wailing like a toddler, I was just curiously watching the shunt movement with a perplexed look on my face during lunch time. I thought that turntable was left there for heritage reasons only.

    PS: Pressman,
    they turn carriages on it periodically so that the wheel wear and tear is even on both sides of the bogies because they are pretty much doing the same route and trackage on their runs. even Admet do it with their railcars.
    Posted: 04 Apr 2014 23:40
      Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

    No steam for Ian,
    when I said I nearly cried don't take it literally.
    I didn't start blushing and wailing like a toddler, I was just curiously watching the shunt movement with a perplexed look on my face during lunch time. I thought that turntable was left there for heritage reasons only.

    PS: Pressman,
    they turn carriages on it periodically so that the wheel wear and tear is even on both sides of the bogies because they are pretty much doing the same route and trackage on their runs. even Admet do it with their railcars.
    Heath Loxton


    ... AdMet don't have any turn tables to turn railcars at all. The only thing they have is the ability to turn individual bogies, but after balloon loops closed, and the Gaol Loop closed, there has been no way of turning a railcar. So all railcars are left in the direction they have been for years.
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 00:07
      Aaron Minister for Railways

    Location: University of Adelaide SA
    With the standard gauge rail changing sides at the centre of the table, or has It been simplified with broad gauge abolished ?
    "Nightfire"
    Don't TTs have the multiple gauges all in parallel with common centre right along the table?
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 00:14

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      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    Admet cannot even get there now even if they wanted to turn a railcar. No BG access to Keswick anymore! By the way this is the second or third not entirely sure place that the T/T has been, it was formely at the Mile End Loco depot before it got shifted then the T/T was placed at Keswick to be used there, but had to be shifted again I think to its current position because of track changes or something!
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 00:56
      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
    Don't TTs have the multiple gauges all in parallel with common centre right along the table?
    "Aaron"

    Some do, some don't Aaron
    This page from sa-trackandsignal shows the arrangement at MPC Dry Creek turntable (like Nightfire suggested)
    http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/Adelaide/AD045.pdf
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 01:05

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      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

    PS: Pressman,
    they turn carriages on it periodically so that the wheel wear and tear is even on both sides of the bogies because they are pretty much doing the same route and trackage on their runs. even Admet do it with their railcars.
    "Heath Loxton"


    And here I was thinking that it was so they had the carriage doors on the correct side!!!!!! Very Happy:
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 01:08
      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    According to the Revised 2000 edition of the Railway Track and Signalling Diagrams of Metro Adelaide I have the T/T at Keswick is the same as at Dry Creek!
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 01:13
      Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, SA
    Pressman,
    I have travelled on GSR trains several times and the doors are located on both sides of the carriage. this is so that you can service platforms on both sides of the track.

    in regards to the turntable, how old would this turntable be now?
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 01:13
      David Peters Dr Beeching

    Location: "With Hey Boy".
    It came from Moonta originally. Not sure what year it was installed though originally at Moonta.
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 01:18

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      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
    Pressman,
    I have travelled on GSR trains several times and the doors are located on both sides of the carriage. this is so that you can service platforms on both sides of the track.
    "Heath Loxton"


    are you including the kitchen loading doors on the dinning cars Heath?
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 01:29
      Aaron Minister for Railways

    Location: University of Adelaide SA
    Some do, some don't Aaron
    This page from sa-trackandsignal shows the arrangement at MPC Dry Creek turntable (like Nightfire suggested)
    http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/Adelaide/AD045.pdf
    "Pressman"
    I just presumed it'd be a two gauge version of Peterborough.
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 01:52
      62440 Chief Commissioner

    ... AdMet don't have any turn tables to turn railcars at all. The only thing they have is the ability to turn individual bogies, but after balloon loops closed, and the Gaol Loop closed, there has been no way of turning a railcar. So all railcars are left in the direction they have been for years.
    Jumbo2001

    They can still turn using the Rosewater line which is open, though classed as a siding as I understand. The turnout at the junction was recently renewed. They can, but I am not aware that they do or see the need to.
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 12:38
      steam4ian Chief Commissioner

    I just presumed it'd be a two gauge version of Peterborough.
    Aaron

    Peterborough is a triple gauge unit with the tracks on a common centre line.

    The heads on the SG rails are milled thinner on the non flange side to provide a flange way for the BG wheels.

    The Mile end TT has a common rail on the approach with a gauge splitter in the centre of the TT so the common rail swaps sides  so that each end matches the approach track.

    Ian
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 14:20
      Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

    They can still turn using the Rosewater line which is open, though classed as a siding as I understand. The turnout at the junction was recently renewed. They can, but I am not aware that they do or see the need to.
    62440


    Ah yeah. I totally left that out given that we never, ever use it. I suppose if they REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY had to turn a railcar, they could use that method, but for all intents and purposes it is disused.

    Drivers aren't trained how to use it, and it is classed as a Train Order territory. I believe the renewal of the turnout at Port Junction was more to facilitate movements from the Port Main to the NRM and visa versa, than to use the Rosewater Loop.
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 15:31
      fabricator Chief Commissioner

    Location: Gawler
    Drivers aren't trained how to use it, and it is classed as a Train Order territory. I believe the renewal of the turnout at Port Junction was more to facilitate movements from the Port Main to the NRM and visa versa, than to use the Rosewater Loop.
    Jumbo2001

    Another could be for the future work to electify the line to Salisbury, I can't see them putting up the bigger gantries in overnight shutdowns. However I doubt the government work that far ahead, so it would be routine work to get the NRN connection usable.
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 17:07
      Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Under Hilton Bridge
    All of the trackwork and two turnout replacements at Port Junction, was nothing to do with NRM. It was simply removing the dual gauge ones for broad gauge only ones....reduce risks and maintenance.8)
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 19:26
      62440 Chief Commissioner

    All of the trackwork and two turnout replacements at Port Junction, was nothing to do with NRM. It was simply removing the dual gauge ones for broad gauge only ones....reduce risks and maintenance.8)
    Top Cat

    So maybe now they will remove the dual gauge from the main line!
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 19:32
      justapassenger Chief Commissioner

    Another could be for the future work to electify the line to Salisbury, I can't see them putting up the bigger gantries in overnight shutdowns.
    "fabricator"
    A partial closure for even a whole weekend shouldn't need any work done to establish convoluted alternative access to Dry Creek. It is well established that DEMUs can operate for a whole weekend without a visit to the depot.
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 20:37
      vinelander Junior Train Controller

    Thank God you don't referee real games then Heath. Couldn't handle a ref foaming at a couple of locos. Get a life!!
    Posted: 05 Apr 2014 21:09

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