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      gomer Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne
    No the Albury train is Standard Guage. Do they run the train around at Tottenham or Dynon?
    jdekorte

    The Up Albury detrains all passengers at Broady then runs to Sth Dynon loco ,reversing back into the yard. The opposite occurs on the Down.
    Posted: 11 Jul 2014 19:56

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      Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
    I dare say for SG Albury services, they would terminate at Broadmeadows, then run empty direct to South Dynon.
    Posted: 11 Jul 2014 20:12
      MD Chief Commissioner

    Location: Canbera
    Does anyone have a close up picture of a dual guage BG,SG point where both guages are switched.
    Trying to figure out how they work.
    Posted: 11 Jul 2014 20:14
      Raichase Captain Rant!

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Does anyone have a close up picture of a dual guage BG,SG point where both guages are switched.
    Trying to figure out how they work.
    MD



    From:

    http://users.nex.net.au/~reidgck/marree.htm

    Not Victorian points, but I imagine the concept is the same.
    Posted: 11 Jul 2014 21:40
      kuldalai Chief Commissioner

    It appears that the point of derailment is a dual gauge crossover from the Down dg flyover line towards the Up dg line that then leads the sg towards Sims St Junction.  

    This is like a motorized dg crossover except that the Down dg line off the flyover  continues straight ahead as bg only towards Dynon.  Reference signal diagram  72/14 .  The front portion of the train appears to have gone through this dual gauge crossover OK, but the rear two cars and loco have derailed.

    Alternatively the rear cars may have derailed passing supposedly on the straight through the preceding turnout where the Down bg diverges towards the RRL lead to  Spion Kop Junction .
    Posted: 11 Jul 2014 21:42
      X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Melbourne
    when will the train go?
    Posted: 11 Jul 2014 21:44
      Nightfire Minister for Railways

    Location: Gippsland
    Not true , XPT,Overland & Albury services have been using the now Up line only over the flyover as it was bi-directional. The 0710 Albury was the first Dn Pass to use the down dual gauge track with the XPT next although light engines have been running over it.
    gomer

    I guess the track failed It's real world test !
    Posted: 11 Jul 2014 21:55
      hilly Locomotive Fireman

    Location: Mount Gambier
    In reading about this incident it occurred to me how much worse it could have been if the driver of the XPT had not realised there was a problem at the rear of his train and kept on powering along. Without trying to prejudice any investigation into the accident, I have been wondering how the driver may have become aware of the situation?
    Could the air hoses have parted applying the brakes?
    Guard/attendant/passenger pulling the emergency cord or whatever XPTs have?
    Seeing the problem in the rear view mirrors?
    Is there some other monitoring device on XPTs to inform the driver of a derailment?
    If it is not appropriate to discuss these matters please advise and I will delete the post.
    Posted: 11 Jul 2014 23:31
      railblogger Chief Commissioner

    Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
    when will the train go?
    X'Trapolis-904M

    According to Nine News it is being removed at the moment.
    Posted: 11 Jul 2014 23:36
      RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Dubai UAE
    An XPT derailing on the point of gauge separation reminds me of 12/12/2010 when NT32 derailed towards platform 3 QR track at South Brisbane. This was the point of separation of standard gauge and 3ft6in southbound. In this case it was the lead locomotive and the first passenger carriage that derailed.
    petan

    In this case it was purely a desperate attempt by the XPT to remain on some half decent rails, rather than the interstate goat track. Seriously would anyone have notice the difference between running on the NG sleepers compared to the interstate rails? Smile
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 00:31
      RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Dubai UAE
    In reading about this incident it occurred to me how much worse it could have been if the driver of the XPT had not realised there was a problem at the rear of his train and kept on powering along. Without trying to prejudice any investigation into the accident, I have been wondering how the driver may have become aware of the situation?
    Could the air hoses have parted applying the brakes?
    Guard/attendant/passenger pulling the emergency cord or whatever XPTs have?
    Seeing the problem in the rear view mirrors?
    Is there some other monitoring device on XPTs to inform the driver of a derailment?
    If it is not appropriate to discuss these matters please advise and I will delete the post.
    hilly

    I'm going to go out on a limb on this one and say that despite the XPT having a reasonable amount of horsepower and probably being "sports car" like in train performance, I somehow think the driver might know when roughly 20% of his train is no long exposed to the low drag co-efficient of running steel wheels on steel rails.

    As pax I would also be concerned if suddenly I had double vision due to the excessive vibration and bumps of my train using the kitty litter and sleepers and also pull the handle. The guards who were probably checking the tickets have plenty of years of experience staying up right whilst travelling the NE SG may have also been overwhelmed by the cant angle and shaking as well.

    A long freight train is a different story, plenty of examples of the rear wagon(s) being dragging 20-50km.
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 00:39
      Bevan Beginner

    According to Nine News it is being removed at the moment.
    railblogger

    It's still there as of 9am.
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 09:06
      SN7 Chief Commissioner

    Couple of observations from the thread,

    XPT doesn't have mirrors.  

    Yesterday, Up  Ex Adelaide Overland  de trained passengers at North Shore, and ran empty cars to Dynon.  
    Feel a bit sorry for  the owners of the 14 cars trapped on the 2 car carriers on the train,  as no other  car unloading facilities exist,  guess that they went back with the rest of the train to Adelaide again this morning !!
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 09:14
      Expost Deputy Commissioner

    AS a driver of a coalie who has had a parting, I can tell you, mirrors or no mirrors, as soon as you get some sort of significantly abnormal motion with your train, one of the first things you do is to look back to see if you can see what has happened, and to check your train.
    We have mirrors, and on our parting, and the sudden abnormal jolt and getting the PCS, had me looking immediately into the mirrors. Luckily I could see the gap widening between the wagons, and then the sudden closing of the gap, as the rear caught up rapidly with the front. I had the opportunity to call out to my mate to hang on.
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 10:34
      Bevan Beginner

    Can anybody tell me what happens now? Will the results of any enquiry be made public? I live on this line and have been told by Regional Rail that a derailment was impossible because of an extra rail in the middle of the new track. Can anybody shed any light on to this for me as I'm pretty concerned!
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 10:45
      Raichase Captain Rant!

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Can anybody tell me what happens now? Will the results of any enquiry be made public?
    Bevan

    http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2014/rair/ro-2014-013.aspx

    ATSB have begin their inquiries and started a report by the looks of it. Their findings are normally made public, even to matters that seem minor to the public/laypeople. I read with interest their recent report on 9537 freight passing two signals at stop at Hurlstone Park in Sydney recently. Very detailed, interesting background and research goes into the report.
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 10:53
      Bevan Beginner

    http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2014/rair/ro-2014-013.aspx

    ATSB have begin their inquiries and started a report by the looks of it. Their findings are normally made public, even to matters that seem minor to the public/laypeople. I read with interest their recent report on 9537 freight passing two signals at stop at Hurlstone Park in Sydney recently. Very detailed, interesting background and research goes into the report.
    Raichase

    Cheers for the info, very helpful.
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 11:33
      Stuart Midgley Station Master

    Location: Sydney, Australia
    ABC News reporting a few hours ago that overnight rain had slowed the clean-up: http://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rain-delays-removal-of-derailed-passenger-train-in-melbourne
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 15:54

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      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    When is the deraiemt expected to be cleared ?
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 15:58
      kuldalai Chief Commissioner

    Can anybody tell me what happens now? Will the results of any enquiry be made public? I live on this line and have been told by Regional Rail that a derailment was impossible because of an extra rail in the middle of the new track. Can anybody shed any light on to this for me as I'm pretty concerned!
    Bevan

    1.  The trackwork at the point of the derailment is all new dg on concrete sleepers, so hardly a goat track as suggested by an earlier post .

    2. Seeing it was an Interstate train would think that the ATSB will investigate this derailment. ATSB reports are usually made public in due course via their website.

    3.  The extra set of rails  (within the four foot)  within the normal running rails over quite a bit of the RRL is fitted on curves and overpasses as "check rails" .  In the case of derailment the check rails are designed to keep the wheels and bogies heading in a straight line as far as possible.  The objective being to keep any  derailed train as straight as possible and to reduce tendency for  the train to wander , and to keep rollingstock as upright as possible .

    4. With dg track there is a higher risk of derailment with bg trains with any foreign object wedged in the narrow gap between the sg and bg tracks .  On an overpass such as North Melbourne which is dg now on both tracks  the max speed will be something like 40kmh for all trains .

    Given the front portion of the XPT got through the double dg to single dg line and the rear cars derailed, either the points have moved under the train, or maybe a bogie fault .  The am Down sg Albury took the same path earlier in the same morning .

    Dual gauge turnouts present problems, remember a Down Albury sg at  West Footscray, half the train  went one way and the rear the other. So not first time this sort of thing has happened .
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 16:36
      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
    When is the deraiemt expected to be cleared ?
    "freightgate"

    The process is as follows:-
    Investigators make there observations ect at the site.
    When they give the all clear, carriages can be removed.
    Then any track repairs are done.
    As to when depends on the amount of track repairs.
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 16:55
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Vline is running Albury bound services. Is the track now clear?

    http://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/bunbury-street/photo/14632758862
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 18:03

    Last edited by bevans on 12 Jul 2014 18:03; edited 1 time in total
      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    Has the train be rerailed ?
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 18:25
      cliff3 Station Master

    What number of both XPT motive power please?

    From Cliff.
    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 20:04
      SeaholmeWanderer Junior Train Controller

    Location: Bairnsdale
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    Posted: 12 Jul 2014 20:46

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