Abbott's imploding act-

 
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
What drugs are you on exactly?

You've obviously been reading far too many recycled Facebook posts from right wing hate groups.

30,000 at Carols by Candlelight in Adelaide last night - explain the PC BS at work there.
I could throw this back at you and ask "what drugs are you on?" as where did I say people are not going to Carols?

I refered to the loss of Christmas based themes, decorations and music in some shopping centres and some public places. This has been going on for a very long time under the guise as "not to offend". Yet most non-christian groups are stunned we think this.

How to do I know? personal experience, comments by relatives and friends from their experience, radio feed back and I believe last week the Mayor of the Liverpool Council in Sydney had to give a directive that the council will use the words "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Christmas" rather than "Seasons Greetings" or similar crap that has been copied from USA.
RTT_Rules
In 2008 70% of Australians said that religion had no relevance to their daily lives.

I'm still struggling to see the issue.

Radio feedback - now there's an excellent and accurate form of information gathering.

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  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
What drugs are you on exactly?

You've obviously been reading far too many recycled Facebook posts from right wing hate groups.

30,000 at Carols by Candlelight in Adelaide last night - explain the PC BS at work there.
I could throw this back at you and ask "what drugs are you on?" as where did I say people are not going to Carols?

I refered to the loss of Christmas based themes, decorations and music in some shopping centres and some public places. This has been going on for a very long time under the guise as "not to offend". Yet most non-christian groups are stunned we think this.

How to do I know? personal experience, comments by relatives and friends from their experience, radio feed back and I believe last week the Mayor of the Liverpool Council in Sydney had to give a directive that the council will use the words "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Christmas" rather than "Seasons Greetings" or similar crap that has been copied from USA.
In 2008 70% of Australians said that religion had no relevance to their daily lives.

I'm still struggling to see the issue.

Radio feedback - now there's an excellent and accurate form of information gathering.
bingley hall
I never used the word religion above, so i'm not sure your point as you have twisted my words out of context, again.

Australian's are not religious as your correctly point out, but we still are a Christian based society and this includes celebrating Christmas in a non-religious way and hence carol music in places like the mall's, shopping centres, shops along wit Santa and Christmas trees is part of our culture. However there is a trend for a number of years to remove these Christmas symbols under the miss-guided belief it insults non-christian based Australian's.

The phrase "Seasons Greetings" or "Happy Holidays" comes from USA as because of the large Jewish community especially in NYC. As the Jews have a festival at a similar time, they came up with a generic phrase that works for both so you could play safe. A classic over example of how bad things were getting in becoming increasingly PC was in the 1st episode of South Park, exaggerated yes, but the point was there and valid.

Radio feedback, what you think I listen once and go on he/she said? This has been going for a number of years. But I do agree with one radio personality when I heard him say last week as from personal experience you walk around non christian Singapore or some other like Asian cities and I'll add Dubai in certain locations as there is Christmas lights and decorations everywhere, but the East Coast Capitals at Least appear pale in comparison these days compared to a number of years ago. I remember my mum complaining 20 years ago about the shopping centres not feeling like Christmas.

Just a few quick links I found
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/hammering-the-final-nails-in-the-coffin-of-christmas/story-e6frezz0-1226221232610
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/greens_hijack_sydneys_christmas/
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
First two comments after Bolt's piece


Immigrants seem to have NO problems building Mosques next to a church, so why would a others care if we offend them???? Australia going down hill....
Somebody

And if the people of other faiths don’t like hearing Christmas carols or seeing nativity scenes then don’t go near them. This is Australia, if you don’t like it then go back to where you came from.
Somebody
See where your debate is going......just playing into the hands of the likes of Bolt and his Nazi sympathisers.  
Have you seen the meme being distributed by The Patriot Society? "Merry Christmas - and get f*$@ed if you're offended." Targetted squarely at Muslims (check out their FB page if you think otherwise) - and The Patriot Society has clear links to extreme race hate groups in the US.

es just like you I would agree the BS PC brigade are also playing into the hands of the right wing nutters through their actions. Stir up all you want , but let's be clear that it's them and no particular racial or religious group that are asking for anything to change.

Bah Humbug!
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

And the irony is that much of what is considered as a public display/celebration of Christmas today has nothing to do with what really happened 2000 years ago!
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
And the irony is that much of what is considered as a public display/celebration of Christmas today has nothing to do with what really happened 2000 years ago!
Carnot

I think people need to remember they are celebrating the birth of a Jewish Palestinian dissident Razz

Now that really is ironic.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Here is my thoughts on organised religion. Treat them as a business, and tax them appropriately. Surely this will offset any social/volunteer services that may decline as a result.

Unsure what community services are provided by a church in NW Sydney, and one embraced by the Hollywood elite.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Here is my thoughts on organised religion. Treat them as a business, and tax them appropriately. Surely this will offset any social/volunteer services that may decline as a result.

Unsure what community services are provided by a church in NW Sydney, and one embraced by the Hollywood elite.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE
michaelgm
Over-generalizing there just a bit...

That group in NW Sydney actually do quite a bit of community service stuff.  The Hollywood elite group is B-grade Science Fiction novel series turned into an obscene money-making cult.

As for the "religion-causes-all-wars" myth, the fact is only about 7% are, and if you exclude Islam it's about 3.2%.  (Source: Axelrod & Philip - Encyclopedia of Wars)
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
And the irony is that much of what is considered as a public display/celebration of Christmas today has nothing to do with what really happened 2000 years ago!

I think people need to remember they are celebrating the birth of a Jewish Palestinian dissident Razz

Now that really is ironic.
bingley hall
And of course the reporting at the time by the ABC (Aramaic Broadcasting Corporation) would have seen The Blacksmith claiming it was all a left wing plot Razz
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Just discovered Abbott appointed a friend to the bench of the family court. The corruption never stops with this man.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
And the irony is that much of what is considered as a public display/celebration of Christmas today has nothing to do with what really happened 2000 years ago!

I think people need to remember they are celebrating the birth of a Jewish Palestinian dissident Razz

Now that really is ironic.
bingley hall

I think people need to remember they are celebrating the birth of a Jewish Palestinian dissident refugee

Yes agree

And on the Christmas thing yes, the Christianity in Christmas for most people these days is a long bow indeed, it is however cultural for most Australians religious or not and those who don't like shouldn't come and those here shouldn't be forcing the abandonment or curtailing of the Christmas displays, music or greetings to something dumbed down.

Christmas in Australia, tree's, carols, fake snow, bikini's, BBQ's with pork and beef washed down with alcohol and if you don't like it, feel free to use the Airport train on the way to the Airport (unless you live in Melbourne, then Skybus).
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Just discovered Abbott appointed a friend to the bench of the family court. The corruption never stops with this man.
freightgate
I think you'll find most senior roles in the public service including the family court are appointed!
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Tony's imbibing a few beverages at a favorite haunt of the Greens Party:
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-visits-pub-where-100-greens-celebrate-christmas-party-20151216-gloopb.html
Carnot
Interesting evening I'm sure.

My understanding from listening to the odd interview by former pollies is that many members have cross the floor friendships and see past the often semi friendly/un-friendly jousting between sides. Its only in senior roles they often have to place friendships to the side in order to prevent comment or criticism by their own party and distance themselves from being accused as a leak.

Tony while still PM invited former ALP senator Graeme Richardson and his wife for a private dinner at Kiribilli House when when he heard about his illness, just see how he was going. I don't know if GR accepted.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Tony while still PM invited former ALP senator Graeme Richardson and his wife for a private dinner at Kiribilli House when when he heard about his illness, just see how he was going. I don't know if GR accepted.
RTT_Rules
Fits in with your theory that Tones was a swell guy instead of the boorish simpleton that he projected.
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

Tony's imbibing a few beverages at a favorite haunt of the Greens Party:
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-visits-pub-where-100-greens-celebrate-christmas-party-20151216-gloopb.html
Interesting evening I'm sure.

My understanding from listening to the odd interview by former pollies is that many members have cross the floor friendships and see past the often semi friendly/un-friendly jousting between sides. Its only in senior roles they often have to place friendships to the side in order to prevent comment or criticism by their own party and distance themselves from being accused as a leak.

Tony while still PM invited former ALP senator Graeme Richardson and his wife for a private dinner at Kiribilli House when when he heard about his illness, just see how he was going. I don't know if GR accepted.
RTT_Rules
He did accept and went to dinner with him. Graeme Richardson made comment about it at the time..

Craig w
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I don't Tony said anything too outrageous on Sunday with regards to the need for reformation within Islam. I think you should be allowed to be critical of a religious belief without being tagged 'racist', same as you should be allowed to speak out about the Chinese Free Trade Agreement and not be labelled racist. There's been an assorted cast of people telling him that he should shut up about such issues but I seriously don't think what he said was divisive, unfair or prejudiced.

And Tony is also right that our fair nation is something wonderful that many people around the globe aspire to. It's fair enough to observe that we have a system of government and societal standards that many from around the world admire - along with Canada and UK we're perceived as a nation of fairness and opportunity.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I don't Tony said anything too outrageous on Sunday with regards to the need for reformation within Islam. ...
don_dunstan


Problem is this bloke is hardly one to preach enlightenment Rolling Eyes

Given that the former PM is supposedly intelligent how exactly do you 'reform' Islam, a faith of various sects that cover millions of people of different races and cultures. He may as well try to reunifying all christians under the Roman Catholic church.

Meanwhile there are plenty of fundamentalist 'christians' willing and ready to blow away anyone that doesn't agree with their small minded view of the world. Plenty in the US and now here who don't recognise the legitimacy of government over their God.

It's just the old Abbott with his divide and conquer attitude. Razz
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I don't Tony said anything too outrageous on Sunday with regards to the need for reformation within Islam. ...


Problem is this bloke is hardly one to preach enlightenment Rolling Eyes

Given that the former PM is supposedly intelligent how exactly do you 'reform' Islam, a faith of various sects that cover millions of people of different races and cultures. He may as well try to reunifying all christians under the Roman Catholic church.

Meanwhile there are plenty of fundamentalist 'christians' willing and ready to blow away anyone that doesn't agree with their small minded view of the world. Plenty in the US and now here who don't recognise the legitimacy of government over their God.

It's just the old Abbott with his divide and conquer attitude. Razz
Groundrelay

Abbott is not wrong in that Islam needs to have a look at itself as during many of these events there was historically alot of silence and even recently the voice from the religion is from the lower levels, not the top including the govts of western friendly islamic states. However post Paris things did change slightly with some islamic states becoming vocal.

I feel that there is some level of acceptance by the many parts of the religion to these terrorist acts even in the more liberal side.

However one of the issues is that there is no "head of the church" so to speak in islam like various parts of Christianity.

My understanding is that what is said in Friday prayers is controlled by the govt in numerous countries to keep some Innam's from inspiring radicalism and this includes Eygpt and the UAE and I assume many more countries. Although in some cases such as Egypt this is a more recent control as the new President brings the country back from the radicalism that was starting under the former Muslim Brotherhood govt.

Yes its a diverse religion and this is where I think Abbott is maybe off track. Islam has many aspects from liberal where women wear western clothes and bikini's to hard core ISIS style. The hard core sector already rejects the more liberal aspects of the religion, so what will change? In my mind and I think what Abbott means is that they would need to go through every Mosque and Innam one by one and filter out the problems and even in Australia the Islamic council seems to struggle with some of its leaders making very controversial public comments over the years.

Having said that, the Catholic church was just as slow to remove problem Priests abusing children and still protects many. But I suppose they are not shooting people!
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
And the irony is that much of what is considered as a public display/celebration of Christmas today has nothing to do with what really happened 2000 years ago!

I think people need to remember they are celebrating the birth of a Jewish Palestinian dissident Razz

Now that really is ironic.
bingley hall
With brown skin.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
For those in need of a good laugh: Tones privately wants to be Prime Minister again... not sure how much truth there is in this but it's interesting to contemplate...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/01/19/tony-abbott-prime-minister_n_9022112.html
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
For those in need of a good laugh: Tones privately wants to be Prime Minister again... not sure how much truth there is in this but it's interesting to contemplate...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/01/19/tony-abbott-prime-minister_n_9022112.html
don_dunstan
Yes he should have bowed out quietly and not attempt a Rudd.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Tones announces he's staying in politics as expected (ABC News).
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Tones announces he's staying in politics as expected (ABC News).
don_dunstan
Just like Bronnie, Tony Arrogant truly believes this is all an aberration and everyone will see the light.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Just like Bronnie, Tony Arrogant truly believes this is all an aberration and everyone will see the light.
Groundrelay
Maybe he thinks like Bob Menzies his timing wasn't right and he needs to come back at some stage in the future and rule us for another four terms.

They all get a bit enamoured with the power and the glory... Johnny Howard was told by his confidants that he had no hope of winning the 2007 election and yet I don't think he could let go. It's addictive.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Interesting language from Tony.

“After leaving the prime ministership, I said that I would spend some time talking to family, trusted colleagues and local Liberals about my future,” Abbott said in the post.

You didn't leave, Mate, you got turfed. Cannot rewrite history.

In an effort to save his political skin, he peddled out this pearler,"We are not the labor party" Correct, you're worse, you haven't learned from their mistakes. While ever he remains, should he be relected, in Warringah,speculation over leadership will continue.

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