Welcome to the International Discussion forum

 
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Afternoon all,

The site staff have recently been discussing ways we can improve the group of international forums, which have been languishing for a while. We've decided that the bulk copy+paste of news articles was not conducive to discussion, as they tended to sweep away the genuine discussion threads each night. After all, these are discussion forums, and we want people to use them as such Smile

With that in mind the old international forums have been archived off and, time permitting, some of the resources locked away in there will be exposed in news articles or in the case of discussion threads, moved into here.

In the meantime we encourage everyone to jump on in and discuss the topics outside of Australia which interest you.

Thanks
Michael Smile

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  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Excellent news.Smile All the "cut and paste" articles on foreign issues meant that it was impossible to discuss anything outside Australia.

So while the person who added several hundred of them each week no doubt meant well, it overwhelmed any attempts by others to post. I had given up and was using a different site to find foreign news and discussion, so I now look forward to being able to discuss overseas stuff here.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Why can't we have access to the any posts anyhow ?

There was some great stuff there.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Why can't we have access to the any posts anyhow ?

There was some great stuff there.
freightgate
As per my OP, some of the resources in the old forums will be made available throughout the site at a later date.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I assume that the "cut and paste" articles will be stopped somehow?

While I understand the reasoning behind this - having discussions was almost impossible - I quite enjoyed keeping up to date with foreign areas of interest in those news clips.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
I assume that the "cut and paste" articles will be stopped somehow?

While I understand the reasoning behind this - having discussions was almost impossible - I quite enjoyed keeping up to date with foreign areas of interest in those news clips.
duttonbay
The author was asked to stop last night, and no more news articles were posted between then and when I archived off the old forums earlier today Smile

Well aware of what we've got locked away, and we're investigating options on how it can be used throughout the site. The logical place of course is in the News module, but it will take some time before things start appearing in there.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Also: thanks for the feedback, guys. Most appreciated Smile
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Well aware of what we've got locked away, and we're investigating options on how it can be used throughout the site. The logical place of course is in the News module, but it will take some time before things start appearing in there.
"michaelgreenhill"

By the time it appears it might not be recent enough to be considered "news".
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I have found the International material both a nuisance on one hand (as it overwhelms everything else) but on the other it may also be a valuable consolidated source of historic data for anyone researching or having a specific interest in an overseas location. I have found it of considerable benefit in this way but not recently and I am probably unlikely to need the facility again but others might.

Is it possible for the current and any future material to by-pass the 'new posts' screen and yet still be accessible under a more specific location heading eg Mozambique, Scotland etc. In other words the data would still be there more or less as now but not so much 'in your face' as it is now.


The foregoing would only apply to the 'cut and paste' material as distinct from the usual ordinary posts which would still apply as they do to the rest of RP.


No idea of the practical reality of the foregoing of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Laughing
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
By the time it appears it might not be recent enough to be considered "news".
duttonbay
I don't mean to publish it with a newer date, but to put it in with their date as posted in the forums. In this way they will be available for access in the future should people need them for research purposes or general interest browsing.

Is it possible for the current and any future material to by-pass the 'new posts' screen and yet still be accessible under a more specific location heading eg Mozambique, Scotland etc. In other words the data would still be there more or less as now but not so much 'in your face' as it is now.
YM
My current train of thought is the News module. Posts will be migrated and backdated as news articles. Semantically, they belong in the News module and not in the forums. If this cannot be done, they will be moved to a public archive forum.

In addition to this I have developed a feature for an upcoming version of Railpage which excludes posts from selected forums in the New Forum Posts search results Smile

At this point all that can be said about the immediate status and the long-term status of these resources has been said. Unless anyone can propose anything else for their future I suggest we put a lid on the discussion to save ourselves going round in circles Smile
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Why the need to take them offline ?

There was great reading in there. Disappointing.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I don't mean to publish it with a newer date, but to put it in with their date as posted in the forums. In this way they will be available for access in the future should people need them for research purposes or general interest browsing.

My current train of thought is the News module. Posts will be migrated and backdated as news articles. Semantically, they belong in the News module and not in the forums. If this cannot be done, they will be moved to a public archive forum.

In addition to this I have developed a feature for an upcoming version of Railpage which excludes posts from selected forums in the New Forum Posts search results Smile

At this point all that can be said about the immediate status and the long-term status of these resources has been said. Unless anyone can propose anything else for their future I suggest we put a lid on the discussion to save ourselves going round in circles Smile
michaelgreenhill

Thanks Michael. Lock the thread before I have any more bright/stupid ideas ????????????!!!Smile
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
It did occur to me that those dozens of posts each night could, theoretically, have been made by a bot as there was never any commentary or analysis attached to them, the articles weren't even attributed to anyone, (which seemed to be on the cusp of copyright infringement). However, I always suspected they were made by a person suffering from fairly severe Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

So it's probably best for that individual if their outlet has been removed, so long as they have been let down gently. I just hope that they are being encouraged to work on their issues and helped to get over the OCD.

Anyway, if people want foreign rail news, just go to the international rail magazines and websites, there is vast amounts of information on them
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Railpage has vast amounts of information. We wouldn't want people to read it on here.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Why the need to take them offline ?
freightgate
*sigh*

Did you not read my opening post?

We've decided that the bulk copy+paste of news articles was not conducive to discussion, as they tended to sweep away the genuine discussion threads each night. After all, these are discussion forums, and we want people to use them as such
me
I would like to keep this thread open for more bright ideas, but if I start going round in circles I will lock it. This is the situation: it's happened, it's not being undone, and portions of the old content will appear elsewhere in the site at a date in the future. End of.

There was great reading in there. Disappointing.
freightgate

Yes, somewhere. There were also 30,000 word financial reports, which I doubt many here would call "great reading". That is just one example of why this area desperately required some re-structuring.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
What about having separate International News and International Discussion Forums. I would like to have much more discussion about International Topics but I do appreciate the news stories about overseas locations and I believe that the posting of International News stories was very well meant.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Can't find any international items now.

Do not like the idea of seeing that information to the new items as the news area appears well maintained and well structured. It is a great resource.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
What about having separate International News and International Discussion Forums. I would like to have much more discussion about International Topics but I do appreciate the news stories about overseas locations and I believe that the posting of International News stories was very well meant.
GeoffreyHansen
Appreciate the feedback, but no Smile Bulk copy + paste news articles are not, and will not, be allowed back into the international forums.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Could the forums still be split into the different countries/continents? That way we can keep discussions related to a specific area separate from everything else.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Could the forums still be split into the different countries/continents? That way we can keep discussions related to a specific area separate from everything else.
railblogger
Perhaps, when there are enough threads to warrant it.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Can't find any international items now.

Do not like the idea of seeing that information to the new items as the news area appears well maintained and well structured. It is a great resource.
"freightgate"
I can see the old international forums, no worries at all.

That being said, the postings there were a waste of time, a waste of bandwidth and stifled genuine discussion about legitimate topics. The vast majority of posts were one-hit wonders, there was no discussion. You might as well google the topic...
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
I can see the old international forums, no worries at all.
KRviator
They've been archived off and are accessible only by staff Smile
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Oh.

Whoops... :-p
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
With the mass cut+paste unending spam-like flood of news articles finally stopped (thanks for that - what a relief!!), it would be nice to encourage posters who have had the opportunity to travel overseas, or indeed - those based overseas, to contribute trip reports with appropriate links to photos, etc.

I contributed some comprehensive trip reports on my tours to the U.S & Canada in 2002 and 2008, which were soon buried, so I always have carried the links to those threads in my signature panel for anyone interesting in finding them (not sure whether they still work, now that the International Forums have been closed off).  Anyway, I was disappointed, they didn't elicit much discussion and I never saw many others contribute trip reports - obviously the way the International Forums were being used probably contributed to that.

So with the restructure of International forums, maybe people previously discouraged from contributing their own observations of international rail and transport activity, might be attracted back to do so?

Hopefully, contributions will be sufficient to warrant separate forums for Europe / Asia / America (North & South) / Africa, as 'Railblogger' suggested earlier in the thread. I would love to see vigorous discussion rather than endless pages of text from the world media!
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Long overdue in my opinion.

There used to be some great discussion on international stuff (Bittern's restoration was an interesting thread), but people fled once the spamming of news links started. For those who lament the loss of the endless spamming, try Googling international stuff. The person who used to flood the forum with threads of international news articles used to do this, so it's not hard to find what you're after if you're willing to look.

Well done to the RP team for finally taking some initiative on the problem, and dealing with it in a timely manner.

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