I daresay they're more likely to occur in the short term than extensions to Wyndham Vale or past Cranbourne.
Queensland has electric trains running all the way up to Cairns, Sydney has long distance electric trains, and let's not forget The Mandurah Line in Perth which is about the same distance between Melbourne and Geelong, and Europe has long distance electric trains all over the place. Here in Australia we are so behind in terms of good public transport Infrastructure. We need to catch up or we are going to get left behind.
As far as I know, Geelong Electrification is on the cards and has been for many years. I think track duplication beyond Geelong Station should also be done at the time. I know it might not be feasible now to extend electrification to places such as Ballarat, Bendigo, Seymour and Traralgon (Traralgon used to be electrified), but I think at the very least they should start planning for the future in regard to those lines. In the not too distant future Melbourne probably grow and swallow up those areas, so I think a bit of forward planning wouldn't go astray
Both are on the agenda. A $5 million study on reconnecting Upfield to Somerton as the necessary first step towards Wallan electrification has been funded in the 2016 Victorian state budget. The ALP has made a federal election commitment to funding a Baxter electrification study.I did read that article. I know that Wallan was part of the former Napthine Government's network development plan, i just wasn't sure what the current government's position was on it.
I daresay they're more likely to occur in the short term than extensions to Wyndham Vale or past Cranbourne.
Yep, it works perfectly well from where you are, so that means we must have world class OT infrastructure, especially rail. Yeah whatever!!Queensland has electric trains running all the way up to Cairns, Sydney has long distance electric trains, and let's not forget The Mandurah Line in Perth which is about the same distance between Melbourne and Geelong, and Europe has long distance electric trains all over the place. Here in Australia we are so behind in terms of good public transport Infrastructure. We need to catch up or we are going to get left behind.
As far as I know, Geelong Electrification is on the cards and has been for many years. I think track duplication beyond Geelong Station should also be done at the time. I know it might not be feasible now to extend electrification to places such as Ballarat, Bendigo, Seymour and Traralgon (Traralgon used to be electrified), but I think at the very least they should start planning for the future in regard to those lines. In the not too distant future Melbourne probably grow and swallow up those areas, so I think a bit of forward planning wouldn't go astray
I've not read so much nonsense in these pages for a long time.
To clarify, Queensland has one Electric Multiple Unit...1 (that's ONE) EMU running way less than half way to Cairns, the Rockhampton Tilt train and for that ONE train, QR must maintain all the overhead wires from Gympie North (the limit of its metro sparks) to Rockhampton, a distance of around 480Km.
Why, in your opinion are we SO FAR behind the rest of the world in our PT infrastructure...it works perfectly well from where I travel.
We've purchased over the past 10 years and are continuing to do so... something like 300 VLocity carriages, do you suggest we scrap all these in the next say 10 or 15 years to spend even more unnecessary $$ on overheads and EMU's to Ballarat and Bendigo et al.
Yeah I can see Melbourne spreading from Sunbury to Bendigo in the next few years, all 125 Km of it....Oh look....I think I see a FLYING PIG
Mike.
Don't belittle me just because my source of that information got it wrong!!!Queensland has electric trains running all the way up to Cairns, Sydney has long distance electric trains, and let's not forget The Mandurah Line in Perth which is about the same distance between Melbourne and Geelong, and Europe has long distance electric trains all over the place. Here in Australia we are so behind in terms of good public transport Infrastructure. We need to catch up or we are going to get left behind.
As far as I know, Geelong Electrification is on the cards and has been for many years. I think track duplication beyond Geelong Station should also be done at the time. I know it might not be feasible now to extend electrification to places such as Ballarat, Bendigo, Seymour and Traralgon (Traralgon used to be electrified), but I think at the very least they should start planning for the future in regard to those lines. In the not too distant future Melbourne probably grow and swallow up those areas, so I think a bit of forward planning wouldn't go astray
I've not read so much nonsense in these pages for a long time.
To clarify, Queensland has one Electric Multiple Unit...1 (that's ONE) EMU running way less than half way to Cairns, the Rockhampton Tilt train and for that ONE train, QR must maintain all the overhead wires from Gympie North (the limit of its metro sparks) to Rockhampton, a distance of around 480Km.
Why, in your opinion are we SO FAR behind the rest of the world in our PT infrastructure...it works perfectly well from where I travel.
We've purchased over the past 10 years and are continuing to do so... something like 300 VLocity carriages, do you suggest we scrap all these in the next say 10 or 15 years to spend even more unnecessary $$ on overheads and EMU's to Ballarat and Bendigo et al.
Yeah I can see Melbourne spreading from Sunbury to Bendigo in the next few years, all 125 Km of it....Oh look....I think I see a FLYING PIG
Mike.
Queensland has electric trains running all the way up to Cairns, Sydney has long distance electric trains, and let's not forget The Mandurah Line in Perth which is about the same distance between Melbourne and Geelong, and Europe has long distance electric trains all over the place. Here in Australia we are so behind in terms of good public transport Infrastructure. We need to catch up or we are going to get left behind.
As far as I know, Geelong Electrification is on the cards and has been for many years. I think track duplication beyond Geelong Station should also be done at the time. I know it might not be feasible now to extend electrification to places such as Ballarat, Bendigo, Seymour and Traralgon (Traralgon used to be electrified), but I think at the very least they should start planning for the future in regard to those lines. In the not too distant future Melbourne probably grow and swallow up those areas, so I think a bit of forward planning wouldn't go astray
I've not read so much nonsense in these pages for a long time.
To clarify, Queensland has one Electric Multiple Unit...1 (that's ONE) EMU running way less than half way to Cairns, the Rockhampton Tilt train and for that ONE train, QR must maintain all the overhead wires from Gympie North (the limit of its metro sparks) to Rockhampton, a distance of around 480Km.
Why, in your opinion are we SO FAR behind the rest of the world in our PT infrastructure...it works perfectly well from where I travel.
We've purchased over the past 10 years and are continuing to do so... something like 300 VLocity carriages, do you suggest we scrap all these in the next say 10 or 15 years to spend even more unnecessary $$ on overheads and EMU's to Ballarat and Bendigo et al.
Yeah I can see Melbourne spreading from Sunbury to Bendigo in the next few years, all 125 Km of it....Oh look....I think I see a FLYING PIG
Mike.
I don't know where you're living,...
Well that is what the future looks like, you obviously have no vision, you are one of those people who thinks things are fine the way they are. If you want to keep living like it's the 1950's go ahead, while everybody else moves forward. You're nothing but a right-wing nutbag!!! Go Home.
Just for the record, I have previously lived in Ballan so I know what it's like there.Queensland has electric trains running all the way up to Cairns, Sydney has long distance electric trains, and let's not forget The Mandurah Line in Perth which is about the same distance between Melbourne and Geelong, and Europe has long distance electric trains all over the place. Here in Australia we are so behind in terms of good public transport Infrastructure. We need to catch up or we are going to get left behind.
As far as I know, Geelong Electrification is on the cards and has been for many years. I think track duplication beyond Geelong Station should also be done at the time. I know it might not be feasible now to extend electrification to places such as Ballarat, Bendigo, Seymour and Traralgon (Traralgon used to be electrified), but I think at the very least they should start planning for the future in regard to those lines. In the not too distant future Melbourne probably grow and swallow up those areas, so I think a bit of forward planning wouldn't go astray
I've not read so much nonsense in these pages for a long time.
To clarify, Queensland has one Electric Multiple Unit...1 (that's ONE) EMU running way less than half way to Cairns, the Rockhampton Tilt train and for that ONE train, QR must maintain all the overhead wires from Gympie North (the limit of its metro sparks) to Rockhampton, a distance of around 480Km.
Why, in your opinion are we SO FAR behind the rest of the world in our PT infrastructure...it works perfectly well from where I travel.
We've purchased over the past 10 years and are continuing to do so... something like 300 VLocity carriages, do you suggest we scrap all these in the next say 10 or 15 years to spend even more unnecessary $$ on overheads and EMU's to Ballarat and Bendigo et al.
Yeah I can see Melbourne spreading from Sunbury to Bendigo in the next few years, all 125 Km of it....Oh look....I think I see a FLYING PIG
Mike.
I don't know where you're living,...
Well that is what the future looks like, you obviously have no vision, you are one of those people who thinks things are fine the way they are. If you want to keep living like it's the 1950's go ahead, while everybody else moves forward. You're nothing but a right-wing nutbag!!! Go Home.
Where I'm living is perfectly clear by my avatar.
I made a choice decades ago to live where I do because the PT was good....now it's fantastic and getting even better...yeah I guess I had no vision at all...
Mike.
Obvious to everyone is completing electrification to stony point and to Ballarat as the first major line. Warragul would be worthy of discussion but would only be DC whereas it would be very good to put Vline on AC like Queensland.Long distance electric services are long overdue here, but I don't think the metro rolling stock would cope with such long trips, new rolling stock would be required.
Have you considered the cost of running diesel on 300 rail cars compared to reducing environmental outputs from 300 cars ?
Just to reiterate, I never suggested that the v/locity trains be scrapped, just convert them for electric traction when required.Please supply a few previous examples of how things went when DMUs were converted to EMUs, and the cost of the conversion project compared to procuring new build vehicles.
— mejhammers1and Kuldalai are spot on here. With over 300 V'Locity cars in the system after current contracts are concluded there is no case for electrification for Geelong and Ballarat. The Melton Electrification will come as part of the Melbourne Metro and its very logical that the Tarneit/Wyndham Vale sections also be electrified and treated as Metro services. Extending electrification to Wallan is also quite a logical development as well.I think the line south of Geelong Station has been earmarked for future duplication, not sure of the timeframe or details.
A study on electrification of the Geelong Line was undertaken again in 2014/2015. I think its either the 6th or 7th time. Cost about $1.5 billion to deliver what??? More frequent services?? Can be done now!!! 160km/hr operation??? Done right now!!! If you're going to spend more money on the system, extend the Werribbee Line around the corner to Wyndham Vale/Tarneit as it was meant to be and develop a proper interface for V/Line/Metro as it was meant to be. Spend more money on network upgrades and capacity improvements. We are loading the system up with heaps of new trains but I see little real deep infrastructure improvement and upgrade except as I foreshadowed with the Ballarat Line Capacity and Reliability Improvement.
We need to fix up capacity contstraints south of Geelong. Enhance the capacity and reliability of the Bendigo Line and bring the Shepparton Line up to a "mini RFR" standard with level crossing upgrades, upgrade of the track for 130/140 km/r DMU operations rather than string wires for the sake of stringing wires with little or no material change to the network.
Unpopular opinion post here. Who says you have to scrap VLocities displaced by an Electrification? Why not simply move them elsewhere to other lines?...
Let's put it this way. Let's assume Geelong was electrified. The sets displaced could be used to enhance services on other lines. Bendigo and Traralgon in particular, thanks to the long lengths of double track.
Not presenting an opinion either way on Electrification, but the notion that VLocity units must be scrapped for every EMU built is ludicrous.
Well I happen to agree. Not once did I say they should be scrapped
Unpopular opinion post here. Who says you have to scrap VLocities displaced by an Electrification? Why not simply move them elsewhere to other lines?...
Let's put it this way. Let's assume Geelong was electrified. The sets displaced could be used to enhance services on other lines. Bendigo and Traralgon in particular, thanks to the long lengths of double track.
Not presenting an opinion either way on Electrification, but the notion that VLocity units must be scrapped for every EMU built is ludicrous.
Well I happen to agree. Not once did I say they should be scrapped
Just to reiterate, I never suggested that the v/locity trains be scrapped, just convert them for electric traction when required.
dollarbill85
— mejhammers1and Kuldalai are spot on here. With over 300 V'Locity cars in the system after current contracts are concluded there is no case for electrification for Geelong and Ballarat. The Melton Electrification will come as part of the Melbourne Metro and its very logical that the Tarneit/Wyndham Vale sections also be electrified and treated as Metro services. Extending electrification to Wallan is also quite a logical development as well.In a perverse sort of way the now former discredited management at V/Line in dictating a fleet of 75 X 3 car VL sets has now ensured two short term and one medium term outcome that would seem inevitable :
A study on electrification of the Geelong Line was undertaken again in 2014/2015. I think its either the 6th or 7th time. Cost about $1.5 billion to deliver what??? More frequent services?? Can be done now!!! 160km/hr operation??? Done right now!!! If you're going to spend more money on the system, extend the Werribbee Line around the corner to Wyndham Vale/Tarneit as it was meant to be and develop a proper interface for V/Line/Metro as it was meant to be. Spend more money on network upgrades and capacity improvements. We are loading the system up with heaps of new trains but I see little real deep infrastructure improvement and upgrade except as I foreshadowed with the Ballarat Line Capacity and Reliability Improvement.
We need to fix up capacity contstraints south of Geelong. Enhance the capacity and reliability of the Bendigo Line and bring the Shepparton Line up to a "mini RFR" standard with level crossing upgrades, upgrade of the track for 130/140 km/r DMU operations rather than string wires for the sake of stringing wires with little or no material change to the network.
In a perverse sort of way the now former discredited management at V/Line in dictating a fleet of 75 X 3 car VL sets has now ensured two short term and one medium term outcome that would seem inevitable :
1. Short term to handle increased peak pax loadings a further order of 30 - 35 strict trailer cars to make up a final VL fleet of half as 3 car sets and half as 4 car sets - allowing operation of peak VL consists up to 8 cars on Waurn Ponds and 7 Cars on Wendouree. Any more 3 car trains would be just be criminal in terms of both capex and operating costs, and lack of operational flexibility .
Unpopular opinion post here. Who says you have to scrap VLocities displaced by an Electrification? Why not simply move them elsewhere to other lines?...
Let's put it this way. Let's assume Geelong was electrified. The sets displaced could be used to enhance services on other lines. Bendigo and Traralgon in particular, thanks to the long lengths of double track.
Not presenting an opinion either way on Electrification, but the notion that VLocity units must be scrapped for every EMU built is ludicrous.
Well I happen to agree. Not once did I say they should be scrapped
dollarbill85, you did state this before:Just to reiterate, I never suggested that the v/locity trains be scrapped, just convert them for electric traction when required.
dollarbill85
Trouble is to convert a Diesel Hydraulic Railmotor to Electric traction is basically scrapping the unit. Flygon is right you would use the Velocities elsewhere.
To convert the Velocity one has to withdrawal them from service. Then gut the train, take the motor out, redo bogies complexly, refit ti with electrical control etc. That is a lot of expense just to keep the seats and body. It would not make economic sense.
"if" electrifying - you would build a new train fit for purpose.
Regards,
David Head
OK, if new v/locity electric units were built, what would happen to the diesel ones? They might end up in the scrap heap too, so according to your logic either way they are screwed. And weren't they recently taken out of service for wheel wear, and now they are slowly returning to service? I'm not saying ground the whole fleet at once, they could do one 2 or 3 car unit at a time, although I am aware that the cost of which would be considerable.
Wrong,
OK, if new v/locity electric units were built, what would happen to the diesel ones? They might end up in the scrap heap too, so according to your logic either way they are screwed. And weren't they recently taken out of service for wheel wear, and now they are slowly returning to service? I'm not saying ground the whole fleet at once, they could do one 2 or 3 car unit at a time, although I am aware that the cost of which would be considerable.
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