Daylesford to Trentham

 
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Perhaps a shake-up of the 'steady as she goes' thinking at the higher echelons of the DSCR might be worthy of consideration  Question
The Vinelander
Really? A recent discussion with a person who is well connected within the government ranks, and whose job it is to look after the interests of the heritage railways, indicated that the DSCR is probably the best run heritage railway in Victoria at the present time. It has a better handle on how to run a railway within the budgets allocated and is free from the problems plaguing many of the others.

Yet a bunch of people here, none of which have any experience at running a heritage railway, would like to upset the running of the DSCR because they 'think' they know how to run it better?

For the sake of saying it yet again, the DSCR have studied their customer base, identified a strategy upon which to operate their railway and are doing so successfully.

If you think you can do better, start up your own heritage railway and run it from Trentham back to Bullarto or to Carlsruhe, but leave a functioning, well managed group alone.

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  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Really? A recent discussion with a person who is well connected within the government ranks, and whose job it is to look after the interests of the heritage railways, indicated that the DSCR is probably the best run heritage railway in Victoria at the present time. It has a better handle on how to run a railway within the budgets allocated and is free from the problems plaguing many of the others.
TheBlacksmith

Steady on.  Was the comment above indicating to Trentham would be a stretch for a railway recent?  I got the impression it was way back when the railway was granted heritage rights/access over the abandoned track?

Now the DCSR is far more established might the situation at this time be a little different?
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
My viewpoint but I believe an extension of the line from Bullarto to either Lyonville (as a start) and then perhaps later to Trentham would deliver more value and dollars to Trentham than a short under utilised rail trail.

Can anyone opine on the costs per kilometre per annum to maintain the current line from Daylesford to Bullarto?
bevans
The object of the DSCR is not to deliver dollars or value to Trentham, it is to service Daylesford.

If you disagree, then go up to Daylesford and speak to the people up there who maintain and run the railway, ask them why they don't have a plan to go to Trentham. They are very nice, knowledgeable people, and you will get a good understanding of the issue. While you are there, take a run to Bullarto and back and evaluate the experience.

If you would like to read the Strategy and Business Plan, it gives figures on the amount spent on track maintenance: http://www.dscr.com.au/Daylesford_Spa_Country_Railway_Strategy_and_Business_Plan_10_July_2012.pdf

However I do agree about the Domino Rail Trail, it is a short, isolated trail with limited appeal.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The object of the DSCR is not to deliver dollars or value to Trentham, it is to service Daylesford.

If you would like to read the Strategy and Business Plan: http://www.dscr.com.au/Daylesford_Spa_Country_Railway_Strategy_and_Business_Plan_10_July_2012.pdf
TheBlacksmith

Thanks for pointing out the business plan.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
There's been lots of 'tourist trains' come and go across the country in the last few decades, I can think of several that didn't stay viable. I find myself agreeing with Blacksmith in that if it ain't broke you probably shouldn't try and fix it. DSCR know their market really well and they manage to keep delivering for Daylesford, adding to the variety of tourist attractions for the district but primarily focusing on their station and surrounds and their specific type of experience. They're also good at writing excellent, sound submissions for government grants and seem to have a highly accountable governance - both things essential for a successful long-term volunteer group.

According to the report that Blacksmith linked above, track maintenance is pretty much their biggest singular budgetary item - it might not be the best thing to load a not-for-profit community group with a whole lot of extra track without at least exploring why an expansion is a sound move.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
According to the report that Blacksmith linked above, track maintenance is pretty much their biggest singular budgetary item - it might not be the best thing to load a not-for-profit community group with a whole lot of extra track without at least exploring why an expansion is a sound move.
don_dunstan

I take it you mean they are a not for loss organisation?

Does DSCR publish their financials?
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
Perhaps a shake-up of the 'steady as she goes' thinking at the higher echelons of the DSCR might be worthy of consideration  Confused
The Vinelander

Perhaps I prefer a steady as she goes approach that leads to a stable and sustainable organisation over shaking things up and having mass volunteer walkouts, coups, political in-fighting and other nasty and bitter events that could potentially lead to the closure of the railway.


My viewpoint but I believe an extension of the line from Bullarto to either Lyonville (as a start) and then perhaps later to Trentham would deliver more value and dollars to Trentham than a short under utilised rail trail.
bevans

If the local council or government believes that running tourist trains from Daylesford to Trentham is a better investment for public money than developing a rail trail between Lyonville and Trentham, they are more than welcome to pay for the line to be re-laid, an additional 280hp walker to be fully restored to run the service and paid staff to maintain and operate trains over this extra section of track. Somehow I doubt the business case would add up.


Steady on.  Was the comment above indicating to Trentham would be a stretch for a railway recent?  I got the impression it was way back when the railway was granted heritage rights/access over the abandoned track?

Now the DCSR is far more established might the situation at this time be a little different?
x31

This was the view of the powers that be back when the line was originally removed to Kangaroo Creek. It is still the view of those actually doing the work to keep Daylesford to Bullarto line operational.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Joppa, the correct term is actually 'not-for-profit' or 'incorporated association' in this case.

http://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/clubs-and-not-for-profits/incorporated-associations/become-an-incorporated-association/what-is-an-incorporated-association
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
The Central Highlands Tourist Railway is a not-for-profit company.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
To all the posters who keep rattling on about extensions to Lyonville, Trentham or The Black Stump - carefully read the posts of VRfan and TheBlacksmith, and then button up.
As I said early in this thread, no matter what rail preservation volunteers do and what they achieve, there's always a highly vocal minority which has no first hand knowledge of how it's done, bleating for more. It should be noted that these people are never seen to offer any form of help because it's so much easier to sit back and demand that "they" do more.
The Daylesford mob runs an excellent organisation - it doesn't need gratuitous advice because everything has been considered.
For the benefit of The Vinelander, "steady as she goes" just happens to mean continuous work which involves track and other infrastructure maintenance, upkeep of existing rail vehicles and restoration of others, and filling operational positions. Why, in the name of Mazeppa, do you want this jeopardized by over extending the group's capabilities?
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Who is actually stating they should do more?

I read the first post and it was about whether it was being considered.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Who is actually stating they should do more?
JoppaJunction
Well; you could start answering your own question by carefully reading what I wrote; you know, the bit about someone suggesting change of DSCR management thinking. Then go back from there.
There was also a bloke called JoppaJunction who insisted that DSCR "must consider the businesses at Trentham". That sounds like a little more than a suggestion about change. The wording made it a demand.
  639 Chief Commissioner

Railpage is always an amusing read, full of armchair experts and keyboard warriors...

As most will know am involved with the DSCR, before becoming involved I was of the same opinion as others here.  Daylesford to Trentham would be the best bring in thousands more $$$ and everything in the world would be fantastic....  in reality this isn't ever going the be the case.  

People on here clearly have no idea just how much work is involved in keeping a tourist railway operating, let alone the costs associated with maintaining it.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
I am happy that we can all remain friends and enjoy calm and interesting debates about the industry.  This is what I like about what we do here.  Everyone on the site has the ability to voice their own viewpoint and contribute to that of others.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
People on here clearly have no idea just how much work is involved in keeping a tourist railway operating, let alone the costs associated with maintaining it.
"639"
With your permission, 639 I would alter your statement to read "Many people on here . ."
Some of us have put years of volunteering into this group or that, and have the gnarled hands, splay feet, knock knees and dull gaze to prove it!Very Happy
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Does DSCR publish their financials?
JoppaJunction
Full breakdown in the annual report linked by Blacksmith.

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