Pakenham Passengers barred from VLINE

 
  mrfatman Station Master

Good for you.
Melton is 38kms from the city. Pakenham is 65kms. I hope that in the future Melton is electrified and it takes you an hour and a half to get to work. Then you can experience the joy of METRO trains. it currently only takes melton 32 minutes by vline.

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  mrfatman Station Master

V/Line clearly don't want suburban commuters on their trains, that will never change !
Nightfire
Tarneti, deer park, melton. They just ADDED Tarneit and deer park !
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Melton is 38kms from the city. Pakenham is 65kms. I hope that in the future Melton is electrified and it takes you an hour and a half to get to work. Then you can experience the joy of METRO trains. it currently only takes melton 32 minutes by vline.
mrfatman
Pakenham Is 58.19 km from Melbourne.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. You don't commute from the city, let alone from Pakenham. That is the problem with rail and why it will always be a disgrace in this country because of people who have an attitude like yours.

Pakenham has always had access to VLINE since I have been alive. Weribee only recently lost it.

Pakenham is a very long way away from the city. It SHOULD be regional. Having METRO should be an added bonus. I just drove to Nar Nar Goon and back, it will take 15 minutes each way, so an extra 5 minutes drive for me. Not a big deal at all.
mrfatman
Diggers Rest, Sydenham, Craigieburn, Somerton (now called Roxburgh Park), Hoppers Crossing, Laverton and many others used to have access to V/Line diesel trains, and all lost it when electrification and EMU's became the service they were given. With that change comes positives and negatives, some people choose to focus in on the negatives, you are one of those people.

Werribee was electrified in 1983, since then it has been prohibited to ride Geelong line V/Line services between Melbourne and Werribee, I wouldn't call that recent.
  mrfatman Station Master

Pakenham Is 58.19 km from Melbourne.
Nightfire
63.6 kms.
  mrfatman Station Master

Diggers Rest, Sydenham, Craigieburn, Somerton (now called Roxburgh Park), Hoppers Crossing, Laverton and many others used to have access to V/Line diesel trains, and all lost it when electrification and EMU's became the service they were given. With that change comes positives and negatives, some people choose to focus in on the negatives, you are one of those people.

Werribee was electrified in 1983, since then it has been prohibited to ride Geelong line V/Line services between Melbourne and Werribee, I wouldn't call that recent.
Gman_86
You don't get it because you don't want to get it.

Those places are even  closer than NarreWarren (which is comparable to Melton in distance) and no one in NarreWarren is lobbying for a VLINE because the sparks take about 1 hour, which while smeg, is  tolerable.

Pakenham is entirely different due to the distance. It is a regional location, if it has sparks or not. Frigging hell, the country people have a stop off location on their time table for PAKENHAM not for Narrewarren, berwick, laverton ect..

There is a reason for that... if you can get pakenham commute distance to under 1 hour, then you have a good argument to get rid of VLINE as it becomes a redundant service.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Something you need to understand:
V/Line exists to cater for country passengers
METRO exists to cater for suburban passengers
Pakenham is located at the 58.193km mark of the Melbourne to Gippsland Railway as measured from Southern Cross Station.
The border between country and suburban railways is defined by the end of the electrified suburban network.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Tarneti, deer park, melton. They just ADDED Tarneit and deer park !
mrfatman
Really? They just added Deer Park? And you accused me of not knowing what I am talking about...

What a troll.
  mrfatman Station Master

Something you need to understand:
V/Line exists to cater for country passengers
METRO exists to cater for suburban passengers
Pakenham is located at the 58.193km mark of the Melbourne to Gippsland Railway as measured from Southern Cross Station.
The border between country and suburban railways is defined by the end of the electrified suburban network.
Gman_86

You are basically saying "it is because I said it is".

I can invent rules too:

"Any service more than one hour from the CBD is entitled to use VLINE services and if when there is  room".

Wow. Otherwise just don't stop at that  bloody station if you don't want to pick people up and take them home from the city.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Tarneit, Deer Park, Melton. They just ADDED Tarneit and Wyndham Vale  !
mrfatman
These stations are V/Line stations only served by V/Line trains.

Time will come when commuters from these stations will lose access to V/Line trains, when local suburban trains are Introduced.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Pakenham is entirely different due to the distance. It is a regional location, if it has sparks or not. Frigging hell, the country people have a stop off location on their time table for PAKENHAM not for Narrewarren, berwick, laverton ect..
mrfatman
If you want to go by that, then by your logic, you can consider Clayton, Essendon, Caulfield and even Ringwood as country locations, as they all appear on V/Line timtables as locations you can get on and off a service, provided you are not heading between that location and Melbourne.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
You are basically saying "it is because I said it is".

I can invent rules too:

"Any service more than one hour from the CBD is entitled to use VLINE services and if when there is  room".

Wow. Otherwise just don't stop at that  bloody station if you don't want to pick people up and take them home from the city.
mrfatman
Now you're just being a petulant child.

They are not rules I just invented, they are just how it is. If you don't like it, stiff.
  TheMetman Locomotive Driver

Location: gippsland
Pakenham isn't in a regional area. It's in the outer Melbourne Suburbs bounded by swampland that's being redeveloped. And yes I have got the metro train from Pakenham many times. And yes it's a long trip but at least it's more frequent. You clearly have came on Railpage just to cry about not using the v/line train since you have no clue about both the metro or v/line networks. Do us a favor and go away because you whinging isn't going to change the Government's mind.
  mrfatman Station Master

These stations are V/Line stations only served by V/Line trains.

Time will come when commuters from these stations will lose access to V/Line trains, when local suburban trains are Introduced.
Nightfire
Right. And they'll be WELL UNDER ONE HOUR TRAVEL TIME.

This is what you don't get : Anything past Narre Warren is more than one hour.

VLINE is the answer to making these journeys tolerable as a 1+ hour commute is more comparable to a regional commute.

Going from Clayton ect is an entirely different issue. Pakenham is simply not a suburban station it is more much similar to a regional station.

Also consider we get one train every 20-30 minutes that actually goes to Pakenham, not every 5 minutes like in the inner city. The other day there was a Cranbourne train in place of the Pakenham so the wait was 40 minutes, luckily I was able to get the VLINE.

The VLINE table took a lot of stress off the line and gave a lot to commuters. Now it has been taken away and has been replaced with nothing.

In Sunbury it is even worse. I really feel for them as they have a split line like what we used to have where they only  get one electric train per hour that actually  goes to Sunbury.

Don't try  to argue with me with your double speak because i know people in Sunbury who will experience one hour gaps in the timetable as the VLINE has been removed and replaced with NOTHING>
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
My two bobs worth.

I've lived in Pakenham for 28 years and this is definitely not the first time preventing Pakenham passengers from using Vline trains to and from Melbourne has been tried. In all the previous attempts it has failed and after a time it's back to "normal". I agree some Vline trains are crowded but as I'm now retired and only use off-peak services most trains have plenty of seating left. Infact I don't think there has ever been a time when there hasn't been plenty of seats on up Vline services at Pakenham! Traveling from the city to Pakenham is a bit more tricky, since I don't know where other passengers are going to. My usual procedure is to hold back from grabbing a seat a little while to see how crowded the train is going to be. Once again, its very rare for the Vline trains that I use to be filled to capacity. I seem to recall only one time when I stood all the way to Pakenham.
I picked up a brochure about this at Pakenham station when I went down to get a new Vline timetable ( which turned out to be no different to the old one except for some of the loco hauled Bairnsdale services which had only very minor changes) and I was bemused by the wording. It said " From Sunday 21 June 2015, customers travelling within the metropolitan network are encouraged (my underlining) to use Metro trains only." I guess you could say that the threat of a fine is "encouragement" but I wonder. Words like prohibited, or banned were not used.

I've emailed PTV and the minister pointing out that a better solution is to still permit Pakenham Passengers to ride off-peak Vline services. The conductor has the right If the train is to capacity to request that Pakenham passengers do not board.

I think a lot of people, especially for the peak commute will, as has been suggested here, drive to Nar Nar Goon. Very Happy
  mrfatman Station Master

Pakenham isn't in a regional area. It's in the outer Melbourne Suburbs bounded by swampland that's being redeveloped. And yes I have got the metro train from Pakenham many times. And yes it's a long trip but at least it's more frequent. You clearly have came on Railpage just to cry about not using the v/line train since you have no clue about both the metro or v/line networks. Do us a favor and go away because you whinging isn't going to change the Government's mind.
TheMetman
Considering whinging and whining is what got it changed in the first place, yes it will.

Also we all know state ALP smeg on workers. So this is clearly and ALP thing. When the LNP get back in they will reverse it.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Gee, a train only every 20-30 minutes, how do you cope?
  TheMetman Locomotive Driver

Location: gippsland
Considering whinging and whining is what got it changed in the first place, yes it will.

Also we all know state ALP smeg on workers. So this is clearly and ALP thing. When the LNP get back in they will reverse it.
mrfatman
Now you're being partisan about it. Actually it's something considered by both the LNP and ALP. Because the seats on the Gippsland line are National seats.  So do us a favor and go away.
  mrfatman Station Master

Gee, a train only every 20-30 minutes, how do you cope?
Gman_86
If you bother reading, that is during peak, so if you miss the first one by one minute, you get to work 2 HOURS later.

We will now be waiting 40 minutes between trains sometimes as often a Cranbourne train is put in the middle for off peak services.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Also consider we get one train every 20-30 minutes that actually goes to Pakenham, not every 5 minutes like in the inner city. The other day there was a Cranbourne train in place of the Pakenham so the wait was 40 minutes, luckily I was able to get the VLINE.

The VLINE table took a lot of stress off the line and gave a lot to commuters. Now it has been taken away and has been replaced with nothing.
mrfatman
Seriously, it is not V/Line's business to be concerned with taking pressure off the METRO line. Neither is it V/Lines buisiness to provide the people of Pakenham a service to Melbourne, they purely exist to provide a service for people in regional Victoria, like it or not, Pakenham is not considered regional Victori., Melton probably isn't either, but with a lack of METRO services to Melton, Melton falls into V/Lines responsibility. As soon as a time comes that electrification reaches Melton, V/Line would become only available at Melton to those travelling towards Ballarat.

You seem to fail to understand that that is why V/Line trains stop at Pakenham, to allow for travel between Gippsland and Pakenham, as well as for people from Gippsland to change to a stopping train to access stations not serviced by Traralgon trains.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
If you bother reading, that is during peak, so if you miss the first one by one minute, you get to work 2 HOURS later.

We will now be waiting 40 minutes between trains sometimes as often a Cranbourne train is put in the middle for off peak services.
mrfatman
Again, as I said, how do you cope?, oh wait, I found my violin.

Seriously, just ship off.
  mrfatman Station Master

Seriously, it is not V/Line's business to be concerned with taking pressure off the METRO line. Neither is it V/Lines buisiness to provide the people of Pakenham a service to Melbourne, they purely exist to provide a service for people in regional Victoria, like it or not, Pakenham is not considered regional Victori., Melton probably isn't either, but with a lack of METRO services to Melton, Melton falls into V/Lines responsibility. As soon as a time comes that electrification reaches Melton, V/Line would become only available at Melton to those travelling towards Ballarat.

You seem to fail to understand that that is why V/Line trains stop at Pakenham, to allow for travel between Gippsland and Pakenham, as well as for people from Gippsland to change to a stopping train to access stations not serviced by Traralgon trains.
Gman_86
Okay from "Mr I live in a suburban location and have a 30 minute VLINE into the city".

Pakenham is long way away, it is not a typical suburb and deserves special dispensation.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Okay from "Mr I live in a suburban location and have a 30 minute VLINE into the city".

Pakenham is long way away, it is not a typical suburb and deserves special dispensation.
mrfatman
No, it doesn't deserve special dispensation. If you decide to live 60km away from work that is your problem, not the governments, not V/Lines, not the taxpayers, just your problem. If you don't like it, STIFF!
  mrfatman Station Master

No, it doesn't deserve special dispensation. If you decide to live 60km away from work that is your problem, not the governments, not V/Lines, not the taxpayers, just your problem. If you don't like it, STIFF!
Gman_86
I agree with that completely. 100%. And me and my partner will be buying a house (not in Pakenham, somewhere close) but with the market the way it is  right now we're waiting.

However, the way the system is structured is that we are living in Pakenham and pay a lot of  tax, so for those dollars we are entitled to the best service possible. A good service, which filled many of the gaps was there, only it was taken away so that others could have more leg room on "their" trains. That is not a good allocation of our tax dollars.

I would much prefer it if they privatised VLINE and METRO entirely. Then none of this would be an issue. I completely agree with you.

If the market dictated that a luxury train service from Warrugul only cost $8 a day, while a crammed service from Dandenong cost $7 then so be it. But unfortunately the government decides on the cost, so we should lobby them to make it fairer for Pakenham people too.

Us city dwellers should NOT be subsidising people who chose to live out it whoop whoop and work in the city. Country and City folk should 100% pay the full cost of their journey. Why should rail users (especially from the country) get all of this money while people who drive cares pay the full cost ?
  mrfatman Station Master

No, it doesn't deserve special dispensation. If you decide to live 60km away from work that is your problem, not the governments, not V/Lines, not the taxpayers, just your problem. If you don't like it, STIFF!
Gman_86
I have to agree with this again. So true.  You are responsible for your own situation in life. No one else. So many of these transport problems are caused by stupid government hand outs to people that don't want to work to improve their lives.

The train line shouldn't even go to Pakenham or Melton and if it does it should be the choice of a private company who decided that costs are recoverable and the venture profitable.

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