XPT & Overland services no longer included in V/Line timetables

 
  trestle_nutter Train Controller

Location: Yarra Valley
are the XPT & Overland services no longer V/Line services as they are no longer included in V/Line timetables?

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
are the XPT & Overland services no longer V/Line services as they are no longer included in V/Line timetables?
trestle_nutter

Sure are:  http://www.vline.com.au/pdf/timetables/nhill.pdf/nhill

and the XPT

http://www.vline.com.au/pdf/timetables/albury.pdf/albury
  trestle_nutter Train Controller

Location: Yarra Valley
they didn't the other day when I looked, but they didn't have the PT> letter head....strange!
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
are the XPT & Overland services no longer V/Line services as they are no longer included in V/Line timetables?
trestle_nutter
At the bottom of the Albury timetable you find this note "XPT - Train service operated by NSW TrainLink & their tickets apply"

Likewise the Overland is operated by Great Southern Rail

So neither are V/Line services
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The new owners are wielding the knife already . Ghan frequency halved from mid 2016, and Indian pacific reduced frequency too from mid  2016 .

The  Overdue is the oldest, tiredest of all , biggest loss maker and only carries  35,000 pax a year, oh for the year of the Pilots trike when 18 car tarins were the norm each way daily and patronage exceeded 550,000 in that year .  So expect Victorian and South Australian Governments to be held to ransom to continue operation of the Overdue , otherwise its days are numbered .
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The new owners are wielding the knife already . Ghan frequency halved from mid 2016, and Indian pacific reduced frequency too from mid  2016 .

The  Overdue is the oldest, tiredest of all , biggest loss maker and only carries  35,000 pax a year, oh for the year of the Pilots trike when 18 car tarins were the norm each way daily and patronage exceeded 550,000 in that year .  So expect Victorian and South Australian Governments to be held to ransom to continue operation of the Overdue , otherwise its days are numbered .
kuldalai
If you have a read of the recent posts over at this thread https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1984196.htm#1984196 you'll find that the mooted cut back are a result of the Federal Government removing subsidies for Pensioner and War Veteran concession holders.
Also the story about "halving services" is rather misleading as they are only cutting the peak season second trips (12 for the Ghan and 8 for the IP)
  trestle_nutter Train Controller

Location: Yarra Valley
I've travelled on the Overland on a V/Line ticket that I booked at Lilydale, the station staff at Ararat had my name listed as a passenger & the conductor on the Overland didn't ask to see my ticket but just said to sit anywhere.....that sounds like a V/Line service to me.....just run by another company
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
I've travelled on the Overland on a V/Line ticket that I booked at Lilydale, the station staff at Ararat had my name listed as a passenger & the conductor on the Overland didn't ask to see my ticket but just said to sit anywhere.....that sounds like a V/Line service to me.....just run by another company
trestle_nutter
No, a Great Southern Rail Service, with an agreement for V/Line to sell tickets on it.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
The PTV agreement with GSR provides for up to 1 complete Overland Red Class sitter to be allocated for V/Line ticketed passenger at V/Line (PTV) fares.   Very regrettably you have to on most occassions have to almost direct the V/Line ticket seller to sell you and book you a seat on the Overland.

I find this very disappointing.   Whilst it may not alter the future of The Overland, the basic complete lack of any desire by V/Line to offer customers a chopice of services Overland versus Train/coach via Ararat I think is very poor on their part.  For a lot of people they may not care either way, but the whole code share arrangement when it was developed with the revamp of The overland in 2005/2006 was in direct response to call for improved services west of Ararat which included upgrades at the time of Horsham and Nhill Stations and then later Stawell.

I think the arrangement was very smart in that the Department of Transport was supporting The Overland so why not leverage some added value out of what your paying by adding stops at three stategic points along the corridor.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The PTV agreement with GSR provides for up to 1 complete Overland Red Class sitter to be allocated for V/Line ticketed passenger at V/Line (PTV) fares.   Very regrettably you have to on most occassions have to almost direct the V/Line ticket seller to sell you and book you a seat on the Overland.
Trainplanner

Nonsense Exclamation

...whilst reading this post I went into the V/Line website and input a hypothetical journey from SCS to Horsham STATION for next Saturday, at the V/Line fare.

The V/Line journey planner brought up the GSR operated Overland just like it does for any other service and there was also an option to allocate myself a seat, just like any other V/Line seat booked service, of which one seat has been allocated in the V/Line carriage to another pax to date.

Try the journey planner for yourself.

Mike.
  vinelander Junior Train Controller

Does V/line allow you to choose and book a seat on the Overland?
I can't find that facility on the GSR website. Book a seat yes. Choose a seat no.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Does V/line allow you to choose and book a seat on the Overland?
I can't find that facility on the GSR website. Book a seat yes. Choose a seat no.
vinelander

As I said above....yes it does if booked through V/Line's website.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Vinelander.  Read my post I didn't refer to the web site I'm talking about V/Line booking staff.
  vinelander Junior Train Controller

Yes. Got the message. No issues. Thank everyone.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Vinelander.  Read my post I didn't refer to the web site I'm talking about V/Line booking staff.
Trainplanner

Why walk up to a booking office to purchase your V/Line ticket when the whole process can be easily undertaken from the comfort of your arm chair, including reserving your choice seat.

Even as a Neanderthal in this electronic age this process is as foreign to me as walking up to an airline counter to book a flight...virtually nobody does that any more, moreover you'll pay a higher airline fare than is obtainable online if you do.

Mike.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Putting aside Myki, the walk up or advance booking market using staffed ticket outlets for sales on V/Line services is still incredibly high as evidenced by the public back lash when rumours were circulating under the previous Government that there were proposals to cut staffed stations.   I use on-line services extensively.  My simple point was is that the V/line travel facility on The Overland is not offered or promoted.   I have direct experience of it personnally and by way of experiences by others.   It was a simple straightforward statement based on fact.  The simple point of the matter is that the promotion of rail travel generally is almost non-existent and awareness of The Overland by todays travel market  wouldn't even be on their radar because there is no awareness of it.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Walk up bookings are still popular because unlike booking an airfare, you can't print your ticket online (or better still, display it on your smartphone) meaning that you still have to go to a ticket office to pick up your ticket or wait for it to be delivered via post. Obviously the older generation may prefer to book their tickets in person but I find it strange that in 2015 V/Line still don't allow you to print your own tickets as is done all over the world.
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
Walk up bookings are still popular because unlike booking an airfare, you can't print your ticket online (or better still, display it on your smartphone) meaning that you still have to go to a ticket office to pick up your ticket or wait for it to be delivered via post. Obviously the older generation may prefer to book their tickets in person but I find it strange that in 2015 V/Line still don't allow you to print your own tickets as is done all over the world.
712M



Talk about backward! NSW TrainLink will email you a ticket within two minutes of booking a journey involving at least ONE reserved seat service, and the only time that ticket will be checked is if any form of concession is involved OR the booking was made after the manifest was printed.



Dave
  trestle_nutter Train Controller

Location: Yarra Valley
with my return trip from Ararat on the Overland, I had to book it at a staffed station as it involved a Seniors free V/line pass & I had to present the filled out voucher to get my ticket. The ticket seller took a lot of convincing from myself, along the lines that it is in the V/line timetable & therefore it is a V/line service & therefore you can issue me a ticket. I just put that down to the fact that I was requesting an infrequently asked for V/line service via a Metro staff member. I am still puzzling over how a free Seniors trip will work when all V/lines services use Myki.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
with my return trip from Ararat on the Overland, I had to book it at a staffed station as it involved a Seniors free V/line pass & I had to present the filled out voucher to get my ticket. The ticket seller took a lot of convincing from myself, along the lines that it is in the V/line timetable & therefore it is a V/line service & therefore you can issue me a ticket. I just put that down to the fact that I was requesting an infrequently asked for V/line service via a Metro staff member. I am still puzzling over how a free Seniors trip will work when all V/lines services use Myki.
trestle_nutter
Probably the same way they work on weekends now, they touch on and off at the start and end of the journey, and a fee of zero is deducted from the total
  trestle_nutter Train Controller

Location: Yarra Valley
with my return trip from Ararat on the Overland, I had to book it at a staffed station as it involved a Seniors free V/line pass & I had to present the filled out voucher to get my ticket. The ticket seller took a lot of convincing from myself, along the lines that it is in the V/line timetable & therefore it is a V/line service & therefore you can issue me a ticket. I just put that down to the fact that I was requesting an infrequently asked for V/line service via a Metro staff member. I am still puzzling over how a free Seniors trip will work when all V/lines services use Myki.
Probably the same way they work on weekends now, they touch on and off at the start and end of the journey, and a fee of zero is deducted from the total
TOQ-1
yeah, that's fine for weekends as every weekend is free, but how does Myki know that the current trip is the one that I want to nominate as my free seniors V/line trip? not being a weekend, Myki will deduct the cost of the trip from my card.....there has to be someway to communicate with Myki that this is to be the free trip.....???
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
To the naysayers (Don Dunstan etal) who may now eat humble pie...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-27/overland-deal-worth-1m-secures-jobs-for-adelaide/6730184

A million is bugger all and at least whilst the train is in operation steps will be taken to see how the service may be expanded to ensure its ongoing longevity.

Three cheers to the common sense Labor governments of Jay Wetherill & Dan Andrews Exclamation

Mike.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
To the naysayers (Don Dunstan etal) who may now eat humble pie...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-27/overland-deal-worth-1m-secures-jobs-for-adelaide/6730184

A million is bugger all and at least whilst the train is in operation steps will be taken to see how the service may be expanded to ensure its ongoing longevity.

Three cheers to the common sense Labor governments of Jay Wetherill & Dan Andrews Exclamation

Mike.
The Vinelander
Before you jump the gun Mike, remember that the SA Gov offer has strings attached.
It is subject to the Vic Gov contributing a similar amount.
It is also subject to GSR transferring all their staff, all their maintenance and all their suppliers to South Australia and SA based companies.
The word from GSR is "Still in negotiations with the Victorian Gov"
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
To the naysayers (Don Dunstan etal) who may now eat humble pie...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-27/overland-deal-worth-1m-secures-jobs-for-adelaide/6730184

A million is bugger all and at least whilst the train is in operation steps will be taken to see how the service may be expanded to ensure its ongoing longevity.

Three cheers to the common sense Labor governments of Jay Wetherill & Dan Andrews Exclamation

Mike.
Before you jump the gun Mike, remember that the SA Gov offer has strings attached.
It is subject to the Vic Gov contributing a similar amount.
It is also subject to GSR transferring all their staff, all their maintenance and all their suppliers to South Australia and SA based companies.
The word from GSR is "Still in negotiations with the Victorian Gov"
Pressman

You raise a good point.  There are always strings attached.  $1m over 3 years is a small amount for vline to have a rail service west of Ararat.

GSR maintenance services would all be in Adelaide anyhow?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
To the naysayers (Don Dunstan etal) who may now eat humble pie...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-27/overland-deal-worth-1m-secures-jobs-for-adelaide/6730184

A million is bugger all and at least whilst the train is in operation steps will be taken to see how the service may be expanded to ensure its ongoing longevity.

Three cheers to the common sense Labor governments of Jay Wetherill & Dan Andrews Exclamation

Mike.
Before you jump the gun Mike, remember that the SA Gov offer has strings attached.
It is subject to the Vic Gov contributing a similar amount.
It is also subject to GSR transferring all their staff, all their maintenance and all their suppliers to South Australia and SA based companies.
The word from GSR is "Still in negotiations with the Victorian Gov"

You raise a good point.  There are always strings attached.  $1m over 3 years is a small amount for vline to have a rail service west of Ararat.

GSR maintenance services would all be in Adelaide anyhow?
bevans
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