SA to keep Overland running

 
  Dazzagc Station Master

Good news for Overlands for next 3 years from over $1 millions.

"THE South Australian government will provide more than $1 million over the next three years to keep the Overland train service between Adelaide and Melbourne running.

TRANSPORT Minister Stephen Mullighan says under the funding deal Great Southern Rail will continue to run two return services each week.
"We are a strong supporter of the Overland service and we want to see it continue," Mr Mullighan said on Thursday."

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/sa-govt-to-fund-overland-trains/story-e6frfku9-1227501362934

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I did think this might happen. GSR calling out for more cash. Now for the timetable change.

Interesting to see if the timetable changes much?

Back to overnight services?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Ridiculous - a time when SA are completely broke they're throwing money at a private train operation using 70 year old rolling-stock.

A great blow for people who are waiting for a proper train service between Melbourne and Adelaide; it will never happen while governments continue to fund this antiquated dinosaur.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
It is good news for the western districts of Victoria who would have been left with nothing.
  monday Chief Commissioner

I dont think there is going to be a big enough humble pie for naysayers and chicken-littles on this subject ...
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
I did think this might happen. GSR calling out for more cash. Now for the timetable change.

Interesting to see if the timetable changes much?

Back to overnight services?
bevans
The overnight services was a goer when it connected with The Ghan and Indian Pacific services.

There is no point now - based on The Ghan and Indian Pacific fares will be too high.

Can't see no reason why they can't add single train carriage (that has seats) on The Ghan and Indian Pacific trains or WA , NT and SA state governments just pays GSR to add a single train carriage to their train service.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Also see this thread https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1986351.htm#1986351
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

What a joke, ICAC need to look at it pronto.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
I dont think there is going to be a big enough humble pie for naysayers and chicken-littles on this subject ...
monday
To summarise:



Oh, no, we're not.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Proving once again that the SA State Government has a sense of humour, even if they cannot find a sense of good economic management between them.

If the Overland is so important to western victoria, get the western victorians to pay for it, oh, now it doesn't seem like such a good idea does it...

Don smacked the nail right on the head.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
To the naysayers (Don Dunstan etal) and passenger train haters who lurk in these pages who may now eat humble pie...

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/overland-train-deal-with-south-australian-government-secures-more-jobs-for-adelaide

A million is bugger all and at least whilst the train is in operation steps will be taken to see how the service may be expanded to ensure its ongoing longevity.

Three cheers for the common sense Labor governments of Jay Wetherill & Dan Andrews

Mike.
  monday Chief Commissioner

$1m over three years is nothing.  The SA Gummint would be struggling to run an equivalent bus service for that cost - $3,205 per service is still good value.  It is erroneous to assume that buses would be 'waaaaay' cheaper.  Were not talking about an old B59 with a retired driver 'giving it a go', but a proper coach with drivers wages, insurance, depreciation and management overheads too.  There's probably nothing in it $ wise, and this way, administratively nothing changes or need to be done about it, so the government avoids another headache.

In terms of broader economic 'rationalisation', there are many silly arguments about reducing 'public goods' to a sole $ value. Im sure Serco or Wilson could run a cheaper security force than what SAPOL would cost in providing policing to SA, but is that done?
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

In terms of broader economic 'rationalisation', there are many silly arguments about reducing 'public goods' to a sole $ value. Im sure Serco or Wilson could run a cheaper security force than what SAPOL would cost in providing policing to SA, but is that done?
monday
Not yet.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/new-sa-police-commissioner-grant-stevens-may-privatise-parts-of-states-police-force/story-fni6uo1m-1227451333402

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/02/police-privatisation-security-firms-crime
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
What a joke, ICAC need to look at it pronto.
justapassenger
Why do you think someone is lying 😛
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

To the naysayers (Don Dunstan etal) and passenger train haters who lurk in these pages who may now eat humble pie...

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/overland-train-deal-with-south-australian-government-secures-more-jobs-for-adelaide

A million is bugger all and at least whilst the train is in operation steps will be taken to see how the service may be expanded to ensure its ongoing longevity.

Three cheers for the common sense Labor governments of Jay Wetherill & Dan Andrews https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_exclaim.gif

Mike.
The Vinelander
@The Vinelander, did you even read what Don Dunstan said?, let me remind you

Ridiculous - a time when SA are completely broke they're throwing money at a private train operation using 70 year old rolling-stock.

A great blow for people who are waiting for a proper train service between Melbourne and Adelaide; it will never happen while governments continue to fund this antiquated dinosaur.

Again long distance train travel, when it Involves Victoria and SA, old rolling stock which should have been retired years ago, with no direction for the future, nothing but a token gesture.

Michael
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
To the naysayers (Don Dunstan etal) and passenger train haters who lurk in these pages who may now eat humble pie...

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/overland-train-deal-with-south-australian-government-secures-more-jobs-for-adelaide

A million is bugger all and at least whilst the train is in operation steps will be taken to see how the service may be expanded to ensure its ongoing longevity.

Three cheers for the common sense Labor governments of Jay Wetherill & Dan Andrews https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_exclaim.gif

Mike.
@The Vinelander, did you even read what Don Dunstan said?, let me remind you

Ridiculous - a time when SA are completely broke they're throwing money at a private train operation using 70 year old rolling-stock.

A great blow for people who are waiting for a proper train service between Melbourne and Adelaide; it will never happen while governments continue to fund this antiquated dinosaur.

Again long distance train travel, when it Involves Victoria and SA, old rolling stock which should have been retired years ago, with no direction for the future, nothing but a token gesture.

Michael
mejhammers1
Your point being...
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

To the naysayers (Don Dunstan etal) and passenger train haters who lurk in these pages who may now eat humble pie...

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/overland-train-deal-with-south-australian-government-secures-more-jobs-for-adelaide

A million is bugger all and at least whilst the train is in operation steps will be taken to see how the service may be expanded to ensure its ongoing longevity.

Three cheers for the common sense Labor governments of Jay Wetherill & Dan Andrews https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_exclaim.gif

Mike.
@The Vinelander, did you even read what Don Dunstan said?, let me remind you

Ridiculous - a time when SA are completely broke they're throwing money at a private train operation using 70 year old rolling-stock.

A great blow for people who are waiting for a proper train service between Melbourne and Adelaide; it will never happen while governments continue to fund this antiquated dinosaur.

Again long distance train travel, when it Involves Victoria and SA, old rolling stock which should have been retired years ago, with no direction for the future, nothing but a token gesture.

Michael
Your point being...
The Vinelander
Point being that it should be done properly. When funding is found to buy new and extra rollingstock then I will believe it. This has been done before, another $1 Million for three years. This is just a stunt to hide SA's deplorable record on Public Transport!!

Michael
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
To the naysayers (Don Dunstan etal) and passenger train haters who lurk in these pages who may now eat humble pie...

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/overland-train-deal-with-south-australian-government-secures-more-jobs-for-adelaide

A million is bugger all and at least whilst the train is in operation steps will be taken to see how the service may be expanded to ensure its ongoing longevity.

Three cheers for the common sense Labor governments of Jay Wetherill & Dan Andrews https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_exclaim.gif

Mike.
@The Vinelander, did you even read what Don Dunstan said?, let me remind you

Ridiculous - a time when SA are completely broke they're throwing money at a private train operation using 70 year old rolling-stock.

A great blow for people who are waiting for a proper train service between Melbourne and Adelaide; it will never happen while governments continue to fund this antiquated dinosaur.

Again long distance train travel, when it Involves Victoria and SA, old rolling stock which should have been retired years ago, with no direction for the future, nothing but a token gesture.

Michael
Your point being...
Point being that it should be done properly. When funding is found to buy new and extra rollingstock then I will believe it. This has been done before, another $1 Million for three years. This is just a stunt to hide SA's deplorable record on Public Transport!!

Michael
mejhammers1

Ahhh....I understand.

You too along with Mr Dunstan are suggesting the service be axed in order to save it. Rolling Eyes
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Ahhh....I understand.

You too along with Mr Dunstan are suggesting the service be axed in order to save it. Rolling Eyes
The Vinelander
Or perhaps Mejhammers just wants his state government to fund a fast, clean, affordable service instead of the GSR one?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Ahhh....I understand.

You too along with Mr Dunstan are suggesting the service be axed in order to save it. Rolling Eyes
Or perhaps Mejhammers just wants his state government to fund a fast, clean, affordable service instead of the GSR one?
don_dunstan
Surely it wouldn't matter who was running the service as long as the rollingstock is replaced, right?
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
I doubt how much the Overland rolling stock needs replacing. It has suitable vehicles for a thrice weekly overnight service and should do for both a cruise train and service connecting Wimmera and SA towns

If both state governments are willing to subsidise things, a suitably equipped V/locity train would  provide an excellent daily service. That should be a more attractive substitute for the daily bus.
Is there presently an overnight Bendigo-Adelaide bus ?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I doubt how much the Overland rolling stock needs replacing. It has suitable vehicles for a thrice weekly overnight service and should do for both a cruise train and service connecting Wimmera and SA towns

If both state governments are willing to subsidise things, a suitably equipped V/locity train would  provide an excellent daily service. That should be a more attractive substitute for the daily bus.
Is there presently an overnight Bendigo-Adelaide bus ?
Rodo
Vline subcontracts to Firefly the Bendigo Daylink to Adelaide. It stops at all the small towns along the Dukes/Princes Hwy so it actually provides a better service to the people along the route than the train - which only stops at Bordertown, Nhill, Horsham and Ararat as far as I recall.

Fares on the GSR Overland are going up next year to (at least) $118 each way Horsham-Adelaide, no concessions. The equivalent adult fare on the V/line bus is $42 so the train is nowhere near competitive. As an occasional user of that bus I think the money would be better spent on more frequent buses.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Is there presently an overnight Bendigo-Adelaide bus ?
Rodo
V/Line's timetables show a daily bus from Bendigo to Adelaide and vice versa But it is a daytime trip.
Departs Adelaide 08:20am Arr Bendigo 18:25 t/f to train arr Melb 20:45
Depart Melb 07:42 arr Bendigo 09:54, Dep Bendigo 10:50 Arr Adel 19:50
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
If a bus can do Adelaide to Bendigo in 10 hours 5 minutes, then a train should do Adelaide to Melbourne in less. Why is it an overnight service? Could a Vlocity style railcar do it faster?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
V/Line's timetables show a daily bus from Bendigo to Adelaide and vice versa But it is a daytime trip.
Pressman
I think V/line used to also sell tickets for the overnight Firefly bus provided you caught the train to Ballarat and picked it up from there - but I don't think it's an option any longer, only the Daylink from Bendigo.

If a bus can do Adelaide to Bendigo in 10 hours 5 minutes, then a train should do Adelaide to Melbourne in less. Why is it an overnight service? Could a Vlocity style railcar do it faster?
The Blacksmith
As I recall from another thread I think the issue is that ARTC don't want to have to alter their level crossings for higher speed running than 115km/h but there could be other reasons. I'd also nominate the condition of the track as a likely additional problem - the section between Ararat and Geelong in particular is noticeably bad despite being such a long, flat section.

Personally I would love nothing better than catching a nice 160km/h DMU to Horsham and beyond.

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