Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Oh dear... the rumblings are already starting about bringing Tones back as leader according to News Ltd.

Why would they think that Tones would have done any better? Did it ever occur to them that it's their policies that they don't want, not the leaders?

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud

I was at the AFR Infrastructure Summit a fortnight before polling day where we had to endure no less than three Liberal ministers over the two days - absolute tripe, misinformation, selective history and irrelevance were the order of the day.

It works both ways.
bingley hall
Tones said unequivocally before the 2013 election "No cuts to education, no cuts to Medicare, no cuts to the ABC"... I don't think I imagined it?
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Despite some minor changes, LNP will be back in on a reduced majority (6-7 seats less) but ALP unlikely to pick up one seat in Vic.

The senate will have some minor changes but I doubt too much, but the new biggest challenge for the new LNP govt is getting the budget through, if the senate rejects the budget, realistically the govt may need to go back to the polls. To me this is far more concern that whats happening in the lower house. The question for the Upper House is, did the voters state we want LNP so pass the budget, or did they say we voted for you in the senate to block the budget?

ALP's campaign and its supporter campaign will probably go on the record books as being one of their worst attempts, I mean some of the absolute tripe, misinformation, selective history and irrelevance spread in facebook by some of my friends, seriously!
RTT_Rules
You were saying.....
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Turnbull went off his trolley yesterday evening about the ALP campaign of "Lies about Medicare". For any politician to accuse any other politician about lying is a bit rich. Once they're elected they all seem to believe that they have a God-given right to lie.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE

ALP's campaign and its supporter campaign will probably go on the record books as being one of their worst attempts, I mean some of the absolute tripe, misinformation, selective history and irrelevance spread in facebook by some of my friends, seriously!I was at the AFR Infrastructure Summit a fortnight before polling day where we had to endure no less than three Liberal ministers over the two days - absolute tripe, misinformation, selective history and irrelevance were the order of the day.

It works both ways.
bingley hall
I know and nothing pi$$es me off more than hearing politicians crap on about the ills of the past opposition govts. I'm more interested in what they are going to do and why and how they propose to fund it.

I do note this time on Facebook that I got nothing on LNP slamming ALP this time, only ALP against LNP.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Despite some minor changes, LNP will be back in on a reduced majority (6-7 seats less) but ALP unlikely to pick up one seat in Vic.

The senate will have some minor changes but I doubt too much, but the new biggest challenge for the new LNP govt is getting the budget through, if the senate rejects the budget, realistically the govt may need to go back to the polls. To me this is far more concern that whats happening in the lower house. The question for the Upper House is, did the voters state we want LNP so pass the budget, or did they say we voted for you in the senate to block the budget?

ALP's campaign and its supporter campaign will probably go on the record books as being one of their worst attempts, I mean some of the absolute tripe, misinformation, selective history and irrelevance spread in facebook by some of my friends, seriously!
You were saying.....
wobert
Yup...surprise an election didn't go the direction as forecast, but the outcome is a disaster.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Turnbull went off his trolley yesterday evening about the ALP campaign of "Lies about Medicare". For any politician to accuse any other politician about lying is a bit rich. Once they're elected they all seem to believe that they have a God-given right to lie.
Valvegear

Agree and I think they shouldn't be entitled to parliamentary privilege or personal slander attacks.

The reference to selling Medicare is however a joke and find me a half decent journo that even gave this an ounce a credibility.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Oh dear... the rumblings are already starting about bringing Tones back as leader according to News Ltd.

Why would they think that Tones would have done any better? Did it ever occur to them that it's their policies that they don't want, not the leaders?
don_dunstan
TA wouldn't have, various members of the LNP have publicly stated that (but I wonder if they personally believe it) and he needs to get out of politics along with half the LNP front bench.

This election is likely to going to be a mess and lead to poor govt who ever wins and they will call an election within 18-24mths tops. The LNP needs to clear the decks before the next election and ALP need Albanese etc to step up and take control and give the people some confidence to vote mainstream to clean up the Senate.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
My thoughts are whatever the outcome in terms of seats won in the next week or two, Turnbull is severely damaged.  I can hear the right circling now, this is a terrible outcome for a man who overthrew a leader who won over 30 seats extra in the last 2 elections.  Turnbull wanted to address the Senate issues and now it would seem the issues will be a lot worse more hostile.

Not good.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Only one thing better than beating Collingwood by 20 goals in a grand final....... beating em by a point.( sorry Pies supporters) Only one thing better than seeing the present day LNP beaten in a landslide, seeing them knifing each other whilst trying to function as a minority government. Now all those things they said about the previous Labor Government.... pass the popcorn, this is going to be hilla hill hill hillar  so funny.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
It's kinda funny seeing the Liberals in complete paralysis undecided what they should do next... Scott Morrison on the ABC election coverage last night got positively ratty towards the end and was yelling at people (and completely unaware that he was doing it). We'll soon see how they all perform under the same kind of pressure that Julia Gillard was under - will Malcolm be up to the task?

Also, I bet the AU$ tanks tomorrow... markets don't like uncertainty.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
It's deja vu, all over again!
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Also, I bet the AU$ tanks tomorrow... markets don't like uncertainty.
don_dunstan
Gone the other way in fact - over US0.75 even.

Looks like the LIB's have the knives out for Malcolm, hopefully they are not so stupid to recycle Abbott upon us.

Much as I hate Elections, I don't want to see another Government (of either colour) who has to get into bed with the Independents or Minor Parties to run the show, a return to the polls in a month would be more palatable.

An heaven forbid, in the Senate, the Banana benders to the north have given the redhead another go, and the Victorians will be inflicting Hinch upon us.

Oh, and that stupid woman in Indi missed out again....good.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Also, I bet the AU$ tanks tomorrow... markets don't like uncertainty.
Gone the other way in fact - over US0.75 even.
mikesyd
Yeah surprisingly it went up - I wonder if it will stay that way as the shenanigans play out? Markets hate uncertainty and I think there's going to be months of it ahead of us.
Looks like the LIB's have the knives out for Malcolm, hopefully they are not so stupid to recycle Abbott upon us.
mikesyd
I don't think anyone wants that, not even Tones himself. I saw an interview with him this morning after his daily bike ride and he seemed to be dead against the idea of his returning to the leadership. Perhaps he knows that a minority government is not his book having squibbed it once before.
Oh, and that stupid woman in Indi missed out again....good.
mikesyd
She seemed to take her defeat with grace and humility this time (unlike Malcolm Turnbull's bombastic "we wuz robbed" speech) and she congratulated Cathy McGowan on her decisive win before announcing she wasn't going to try again... at least not with the seat of Indi. She will be getting a hefty six-figure pension from her service as an MP anyway in addition to her various 'mates network' jobs - hopefully she'll just stick to that in the future.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Tones isn't hanging around for nothing, already got a big pension guaranteed. He doesn't give a toss about  you me or the next bloke/women. he wants the top job no matter what.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
If the Liberal Party defy all logic and give the job back to that comprehensive failure then there's absolutely no hope for our nation... it was bad enough getting Rudd back a second time.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Don,  logic   Liberal party

you nearly had me there, you old snake in the grass you
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Things go crashing from bad to worse for poor old Malcolm... he looks like he'll be able to scrape together a majority government later in the week (two or three seats) but there's a rumour in Fairfax tonight that Cory Bernardi has registered the domain "conservatives.org.au" and is secretly canvassing a break-away party taking the Abbott rump with him. Fairfax have been trying to get a comment from him all week but apparently he won't return calls... hmm!

If true then it's probably the end of the Liberal Party as we know it?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Tones isn't hanging around for nothing, already got a big pension guaranteed. He doesn't give a toss about  you me or the next bloke/women. he wants the top job no matter what.
wobert
Actually that's not quite true - Prime Ministers need to serve at least two years before they get the full 18-carat package with a chauffeur driven car on call 24 hours, a secretary and office space in a posh building of their choosing. Tones missed out by a matter of weeks. I guess if he came back they would count the time already served...
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm wondering if we should keep this thread active or start another one betting on how long Malcolm's gigantic mandate survives... Two seats they reckon. Might not be much longer 'till he implodes... then again he did actually scrape home.

My tip is that the gay marriage plebiscite will push the religious right into starting a new party but we'll see.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Tones isn't hanging around for nothing, already got a big pension guaranteed. He doesn't give a toss about  you me or the next bloke/women. he wants the top job no matter what.
Actually that's not quite true - Prime Ministers need to serve at least two years before they get the full 18-carat package with a chauffeur driven car on call 24 hours, a secretary and office space in a posh building of their choosing. Tones missed out by a matter of weeks. I guess if he came back they would count the time already served...
don_dunstan
My understanding too when this first came up, he gets nothing more than his backbenchers retirement package.

For those interested in reading

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/0708/praa

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-leadership-spill-tony-abbotts-annual-pension-to-top-300000-plus-extras-20150914-gjmigj.html
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
The election had little if any impact on the markets. Typically we follow Wall Street which had a good day Friday mimicked here yesterday, with follow up gains on both markets today (AM).
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I'm wondering if we should keep this thread active or start another one betting on how long Malcolm's gigantic mandate survives... Two seats they reckon. Might not be much longer 'till he implodes... then again he did actually scrape home.

My tip is that the gay marriage plebiscite will push the religious right into starting a new party but we'll see.
don_dunstan
It maybe just me, but I don't get the imagine that the Gay and Lesbian community don't really support the referendum. If they get a Yes, its done! Happy days for them. If they get a No, that's it, no chance what so ever of getting marriage rights for a generation or more and there is no come back or protesting that will make the slightest difference.

A Yes vote won't create a new party as you just had 50.1% of the country support it, hence your new party's target audience is a fraction of less than half the total. And single policy parties do not fair well.

A No vote gives them what they wanted, job done!
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The election had little if any impact on the markets. Typically we follow Wall Street which had a good day Friday mimicked here yesterday, with follow up gains on both markets today (AM).
Groundrelay
I think the markets had factored in a LNP win with a hung Senate.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Andrew Robb takes his six-figure parliamentary pension to his new job at Moelis, a New-York based investment bank (Financial Review- paywall). Their activities in Australia include helping large Chinese companies buy Australian assets and property but they also help wealthy Chinese individuals to establish themselves in Australia. Funny how he was in charge of changing the rules to better suit companies like Moelis as Trade Minister immediately before he left politics to take up a highly-paid job with them.

In the UK they have to wait at least a year before they can take up any jobs in the private sector helping out companies that they were regulating but there's absolutely no sense of shame here in waltzing right into a job as soon as you leave your seat.

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