Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
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  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
I reckon Turnbull will be a better PM than Abbot was. (No surprise there, anyone who knows me knows I've always been a passionate political centrist.)

But will the trendies, who always said they preferred Turnbull, tone down their unrelenting intolerance and hate speech towards pretty much all Libs and give the incoming PM a fair go? Or will they persist in depicting all Liberals as having horns and forked tails, no matter what their policies are?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Prediction - Turnbull will win the next election.  It will then all go pear-shaped with the next global economic meltdown.  There will be a grassroots "Mike Baird for PM" campaign.  The knife cabinet at parliament house will again be unlocked, as it was last night....
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Tony did not make the transition from opposition leader to PM - it's as simple as that. There was no narrative in what he was doing, every time you saw him on TV he was still attacking Labor in every door-stop interview... when you are in charge you shouldn't keep doing that, it makes people think you have nothing else to say (maybe he didn't!).

Added to that was the apparent lack of capacity to negotiate anything through the senate combined with the very lacklustre Joe Hockey ('people who want to buy houses in Sydney need get better jobs') and I think the majority of Liberal MP's knew that they were headed for a wipe-out of Gillard proportions. It was a really desperate act to replace a first-term PM so there's going to be a lot of pressure on Malcolm to turn this thing around.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
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bevans
That's cheating, Brian Razz

So, aah, do we actually know where Tony is?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Getting in first!  Smile
That's cheating, Brian Razz

So, aah, do we actually know where Tony is?
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  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Why not all 3?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
He's been 'liberated' from his job just like all those car industry workers he so flippantly dismissed.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
As far as Turnbull goes, we might see some change but I wouldn't think a whole lot. Remember, he's got to keep the far right backbenchers happy. He might go down better with the public but if the caucus don't like his performance he'll be out as well.

Same horse, different rider.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
He's been 'liberated' from his job just like all those car industry workers he so flippantly dismissed.
don_dunstan
Fact Check Alert!

Ford announced that they were closing under a Rudd Government (not Abbott). A couple of months later, just after the federal election resulted in a win for the Libs and Nats, Holden and Toyota announced that they were closing too as Ford was needed to keep the components suppliers at a viable level of production that was necessary for the suppliers to remain in business.

While I'm not interested in sheeting home the "blame" to one particular party. (If there is any "blame" to be allocated, it belongs to the Australian people for not buying local cars.) The closure announcement for Ford happened under an ALP regime and the inevitable announcements of the closure of Holden and Toyota happened as soon as practical after all the hullabaloo of the federal election had died down.

Now you're a decent person, so I'll put your error down to an honest mistake rather than trolling and distorting the facts to suit a partisan agenda. Wink
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Yes I tend to agree.  Reflecting on Abbott I am in two minds.  Abbott stopped the boats, and there are more people in jobs now than when the ALP were in charge.  I think what makes me uncomfortable is how easy it now is to change the leader of a government for your own selfish purpose.  Malcolm Turncoat has not impressed me with his incredible level of selfishness.

It was interesting timing too. On one hand canning is looking very shaky for the libs but they probably would have just gotten over the line.  If they had and they still might (polling this weekend) Turncoat would have been in trouble and he would have not had the support he perhaps has now and would not have been able to make the move.

He had to move this week.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Fact Check Alert!
Bogong
Yes, Fact Check Alert! Read here about how Warren Truss, Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott conspired to divert funds from the Car Industry Assistance plan to keep clearing and irrigating parts of Australia that simply didn't need it.

Tony Abbott told the sacked Toyota workers that they should be happy because they'll go on to better jobs - when all the evidence so far shows that most people who lose their jobs will go on to something worse. The fact that he so callously dismissed the sacking of those people as some kind of collateral damage means that I have no sympathy whatsoever for the way he was so brutally dispatched with last night.
  HardSleeper Junior Train Controller

Location: Route 48
Fact Check Alert!
Yes, Fact Check Alert! Read here about how Warren Truss, Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott conspired to divert funds from the Car Industry Assistance plan to keep clearing and irrigating parts of Australia that simply didn't need it.

Tony Abbott told the sacked Toyota workers that they should be happy because they'll go on to better jobs - when all the evidence so far shows that most people who lose their jobs will go on to something worse. The fact that he so callously dismissed the sacking of those people as some kind of collateral damage means that I have no sympathy whatsoever for the way he was so brutally dispatched with last night.
don_dunstan
Yep, I don't remember Gillard or Rudd getting up in parliament taunting Ford to leave...
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Abbott stopped the boats
bevans
The single biggest thing to come out of his tenure: some ragtag leaky bathtubs were turned back. Huzzah! Rolling Eyes

...there are more people in jobs now than when the ALP were in charge.
bevans
Rubbish. The unemployment rate has gone up from ~ 5% in 2012 to 6.3% now.

Malcolm Turncoat has not impressed me with his incredible level of selfishness
bevans
You what? He's defiantly stuck by Abbott for the last two years, despite being lumped with the NBN and Abbott making a twat of himself (and his party) at every conceivable opportunity.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I think what makes me uncomfortable is how easy it now is to change the leader of a government for your own selfish purpose.
bevans
Think Japan. If you can serve for a month there as PM you are considered lucky.
  Alco_Haulic Chief Commissioner

Location: Eating out...
...If there is any "blame" to be allocated, it belongs to the Australian people for not buying local cars...
Bogong
While this is true, the reality is the car makers stopped making what the public wanted. Ford actually did make ground with the Territory, but that came to nothing once Polites was shipped overseas. The diesel was cancelled, and Detroit killed Ford Australia. Holden went with everything that Bob (c)Lutz wanted with the VE, which resulted in a big, overweight, thirsty bomb. All at the time aussies were looking for smaller fuel efficient cars. Toyota got caught in the smeg storm that ensued, nothing wrong with their products (except for being as boring as watching paint dry).

And to top it all off, we had a government so dedicated to a FTA with Japan, they were willing to sell out our own manufacturing to get it.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

...If there is any "blame" to be allocated, it belongs to the Australian people for not buying local cars...
While this is true, the reality is the car makers stopped making what the public wanted. Ford actually did make ground with the Territory, but that came to nothing once Polites was shipped overseas. The diesel was cancelled, and Detroit killed Ford Australia. Holden went with everything that Bob (c)Lutz wanted with the VE, which resulted in a big, overweight, thirsty bomb. All at the time aussies were looking for smaller fuel efficient cars. Toyota got caught in the smeg storm that ensued, nothing wrong with their products (except for being as boring as watching paint dry).

And to top it all off, we had a government so dedicated to a FTA with Japan, they were willing to sell out our own manufacturing to get it.
Alco_Haulic
Along with the realities of Economy of Scale and the strong Aussie dollar in recent years (except for now, ironically!)....
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
On this momentous occasion I decided to tune in to shock jock radio just to see how that side of the media are dealing with it.
Observations:

1. The vitriol against Turnbull and anyone that voted for him was something else. I mean they had little old dears on the line almost in tears (not sure whether that was for Abbott or the mouth Wink )

2. The audience demographic has changed dramatically from those who “voted Labor all my life but never again” to “I’ve voted Liberal all my life and how dare they”

3. Starting a name and blame list of those that voted for Turnbull (very jihadist Razz ).

4. Morrison’s off their birthday card list, Pine is a punce and they won’t be praising up Bishop anymore.

5. And apparently they and their listeners are entirely representative of all Australian viewpoints (apart from one person who dared suggest Abbott needed to go).
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

And yet so many of the ABC luvvies today were strangely excited about Malcolm but daunted by the possibility of another 3 years in the wilderness for the ALP....

I might add that if Malcolm goes too socially liberal he will see many of the conservatives vote for other parties (i.e. Family First, DLP etc.)
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
...If there is any "blame" to be allocated, it belongs to the Australian people for not buying local cars...
While this is true, the reality is the car makers stopped making what the public wanted. Ford actually did make ground with the Territory, but that came to nothing once Polites was shipped overseas. The diesel was cancelled, and Detroit killed Ford Australia. Holden went with everything that Bob (c)Lutz wanted with the VE, which resulted in a big, overweight, thirsty bomb. All at the time aussies were looking for smaller fuel efficient cars. Toyota got caught in the smeg storm that ensued, nothing wrong with their products (except for being as boring as watching paint dry).

And to top it all off, we had a government so dedicated to a FTA with Japan, they were willing to sell out our own manufacturing to get it.
Along with the realities of Economy of Scale and the strong Aussie dollar in recent years (except for now, ironically!)....
Carnot
Given the drop in the $A and Ford and GM departing I suppose that it is too late for Toyota (who made a more marketable and, arguably, better quality product) to remain in Australia?
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
...I might add that if Malcolm goes too socially liberal he will see many of the conservatives vote for other parties (i.e. Family First, DLP etc.)
Carnot
And for many the Liberal Party has strayed from championing individual freedom that supposedly lies at the heart of its existence.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Given the drop in the $A and Ford and GM departing I suppose that it is too late for Toyota (who made a more marketable and, arguably, better quality product) to remain in Australia?
YM-Mundrabilla
Unfortunately for Toyota, the component manufacturing companies can not survive without 2/3rds of their sales base (Ford & Holden) gone.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
On this momentous occasion I decided to tune in to shock jock radio just to see how that side of the media are dealing with it.
Observations:

1. The vitriol against Turnbull and anyone that voted for him was something else. I mean they had little old dears on the line almost in tears (not sure whether that was for Abbott or the mouth Wink )

2. The audience demographic has changed dramatically from those who “voted Labor all my life but never again” to “I’ve voted Liberal all my life and how dare they”

3. Starting a name and blame list of those that voted for Turnbull (very jihadist Razz ).

4. Morrison’s off their birthday card list, Pine is a punce and they won’t be praising up Bishop anymore.

5. And apparently they and their listeners are entirely representative of all Australian viewpoints (apart from one person who dared suggest Abbott needed to go).
Groundrelay
You weren't listening to Ray "I'm a liberal stooge" Hadley by any chance?

Kind Regards
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Given the drop in the $A and Ford and GM departing I suppose that it is too late for Toyota (who made a more marketable and, arguably, better quality product) to remain in Australia?
Unfortunately for Toyota, the component manufacturing companies can not survive without 2/3rds of their sales base (Ford & Holden) gone.
Pressman
And also when Toyota Altona does not make the Toyotas that Australian people want to buy - just like Holden and Ford.

What this should clear the way for though, is abolishing the ADRs now that there's no local industry that needs protecting. By adopting Euro standards we can ensure that a car sold in Australia - for example a Ford Fiesta - is as good as the same version sold in Europe instead of being a stripped-down AU version.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Why should Malcolm Turnbull be worried by any association with Nifty Nev? One of the few NSW Premiers I know of NOT to be found guilty of corrupt behaviour by ICAC.

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