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    Topic moved from News by bevans on 13 Jan 2016 16:51
      trainbrain Chief Commissioner

    Someone help me out here, whats the point of making some strange rollercoaster in Noble Park?
    stooge spark
    it is to put you in the Carnival atmosphere....................
    Posted: 21 Nov 2017 18:41

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      Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

    Location:
    Someone help me out here, whats the point of making some strange rollercoaster in Noble Park?
    stooge spark
    The overpass near Yarraman is south of the existing line, but the raised rail around Noble Park is north of the line. It's probably easier to have a short section at ground level than to build over the current line.
    I'm not sure why they're building the new Noble Park station on the northern side, but they'd have to acquire some properties if they wanted to build one long section on the northern side between Sandown Park and Yarraman.
    Posted: 21 Nov 2017 21:08
      drunkill Junior Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Will any stations directly above streets replace ones next to level crossings. That's another advantage brought by grade separation.
    Myrtone
    They don't want station platforms to span roads where possible. Easy enough to jump the tracks and jump down onto the road.
    Posted: 22 Nov 2017 19:14
      railblogger Chief Commissioner

    Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
    Will any stations directly above streets replace ones next to level crossings. That's another advantage brought by grade separation.
    They don't want station platforms to span roads where possible. Easy enough to jump the tracks and jump down onto the road.
    drunkill
    Only daredevils would do that.
    Posted: 22 Nov 2017 19:37
      stooge spark Chief Train Controller

    Location: My House
    Someone help me out here, whats the point of making some strange rollercoaster in Noble Park?

    I'm not sure why they're building the new Noble Park station on the northern side.
    Gauntlet
    Most likely its to connect it to the waterpark and skatepark, probably to get that feeling of skyrail being a recreation area or something.
    Weather its better then where it is at the moment or not is up to debate.
    Posted: 22 Nov 2017 21:05
      Nightfire Minister for Railways

    Location: Gippsland
    Someone help me out here, whats the point of making some strange rollercoaster in Noble Park?

    I'm not sure why they're building the new Noble Park station on the northern side.
    Most likely its to connect it to the waterpark and skatepark, probably to get that feeling of skyrail being a recreation area or something.
    Weather its better then where it is at the moment or not is up to debate.
    stooge spark
    Probably to keep the viaduct as far away from Lightwood Road, where there are many houses that could of been effected by the blocking out of the North sun.
    Posted: 22 Nov 2017 21:39
      Myrtone Chief Commissioner

    Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
    Will any stations directly above streets replace ones next to level crossings. That's another advantage brought by grade separation.
    They don't want station platforms to span roads where possible. Easy enough to jump the tracks and jump down onto the road.
    Look at Richmond station. Part of it is above Punt road, and it can be easily accessed from both sides of that road.
    Posted: 22 Nov 2017 22:07
      L1150 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Pakenham Vic.
    Engineering Question. How will the rails be laid on the elevated sections? Will they be directly cliped to the concrete beams or will they be on sleepers on ballast? Does anyone on here know?Very Happy
    Posted: 08 Dec 2017 11:00
      Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

    Location: On a Thing with Internet
    maybe we'll see when I catch a EMU over it or I could just ask I guy I know thats working for the level crossing removal agency:lol:
    Posted: 08 Dec 2017 11:15
      LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

    Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
    Engineering Question. How will the rails be laid on the elevated sections? Will they be directly cliped to the concrete beams or will they be on sleepers on ballast? Does anyone on here know?Very Happy
    L1150
    http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/140932/CTDALL0001-Rail-FACTSHEETv14.pdf
    Posted: 08 Dec 2017 12:10
      L1150 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Pakenham Vic.
    Engineering Question. How will the rails be laid on the elevated sections? Will they be directly cliped to the concrete beams or will they be on sleepers on ballast? Does anyone on here know?Very Happy
    http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/140932/CTDALL0001-Rail-FACTSHEETv14.pdf
    LancedDendrite
    Thanks Lanced. Very Happy
    Posted: 08 Dec 2017 12:31
      jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Near Caulfield Station
    Engineering Question. How will the rails be laid on the elevated sections? Will they be directly cliped to the concrete beams or will they be on sleepers on ballast? Does anyone on here know?Very Happy
    L1150
    I think this video from LXRA might help explain things too as it shows how the track will be constructed on the viaducts.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcjCEC3u44
    Posted: 08 Dec 2017 13:52
      historian Deputy Commissioner

    People might be interested in an update as to how far they have got on the Caulfield - Oakleigh section.

    On Friday, 17.11., they completed the Up and Down viaducts over Koornong Rd, Carnegie. They then erected a further two spans on the Up viaduct towards Caulfield.

    The construction beam for the Up viaduct was then removed, taken to bits, moved back to Murrumbeena, turned end for end, and re-erected to start work on Down viaduct towards Hughesdale.

    Since then the Down viaduct has been extended about four spans towards Hughesdale.

    At the other end, the Down viaduct was completed today to the portal structures just south of Grange Road. I would suspect that the remainder of the Down viaduct at the Caulfield end (where it crosses the existing lines and the ramp to ground level) will be erected by crane. I would guess they will now move the construction beam back to Carnegie and recommence work on the Up viaduct.

    There's still quite a bit of work to do, but it feels like the end of the erection of the viaduct is in sight.
    Posted: 10 Dec 2017 21:09
      damooops Junior Train Controller

    Location: The Revenue Raising State
    G'day all.
    I was in the area yesterday and had a bit of time up my sleeve so I took a few photos of the progress between Caulfield and Murrumbeena.
    See links below.
    Cheers all.



    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/27323239209/in/dateposted-public/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/38218565565/in/dateposted-public/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/38390546714/in/dateposted-public/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/27323300359/in/dateposted-public/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/38218640695/in/dateposted-public/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/38390599444/in/dateposted-public/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/24239831337/in/dateposted-public/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/25234389918/in/dateposted-public/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/24239879157/in/dateposted-public/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/25234435148/in/dateposted-public/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/24239909527/in/dateposted-public/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/24239924557/in/dateposted-public/
    Posted: 17 Dec 2017 15:07

    Last edited by damooops on 19 Dec 2017 08:50; edited 2 times in total
      Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

    Location:
    you can find damooops's photos here -


    I'm assuming that this photo by damooops shows the last pylon north of the track and that the next few will cross over the current lines and continue on the south side.

    by damooops, on Flickr
    Posted: 17 Dec 2017 19:33
      historian Deputy Commissioner

    Pretty much.

    The photo is taken from the northbound service lane of Dandenong Rd just south of Grange Rd.

    The span is resting on the first of two portal supports which takes the Down viaduct across the two existing tracks to the south side of the reservation where the ramp will be constructed. At this point, the span is already partially over the existing Down track.
    Posted: 17 Dec 2017 22:49
      Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

    Location:
    After having another look at damooops's photos I've concluded that at least two of the pylons that will take the down skyrail track over the current tracks are up (if that makes sense).
    That means that there about ten more pylons to go for the Grange Road section of the down track which are yet to go up.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/with/38390546714/


    by damooops, on Flickr


    by damooops, on Flickr
    Posted: 17 Dec 2017 22:52
      Braddo Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Narre Warren
    Does anyone else think its stupid that they put all that scaffolding around every pylon? Imagine how much time must be spent dismantling & reassembling the scaffolding.

    Surely could have been done better.
    Posted: 18 Dec 2017 09:38
      reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

    Line duplication work is underway between Dandenong and Dandenong South
    Herald Sun

    I wasn't aware of this. Is this part of the level crossing removal project? Is it part of the scope of works for skyrail? Anyone got any ideas?
    Posted: 18 Dec 2017 20:13
      LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

    Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
    Does anyone else think its stupid that they put all that scaffolding around every pylon? Imagine how much time must be spent dismantling & reassembling the scaffolding.

    Surely could have been done better.
    Braddo
    They're a safety system, which is why they're on every pylon. You need a way of getting workers off the viaduct spans in a hurry. Ladders only work if you're fully ambulatory (which you may not be if you need an ambulance). Cherry pickers/mobile scaffolding are slow and never around when you need them, so they don't cut the mustard either.

    I wasn't aware of this. Is this part of the level crossing removal project? Is it part of the scope of works for Skyrail? Anyone got any ideas?
    reubstar6
    https://Railpage.com.au/f-p2056201.htm#2056201
    Posted: 18 Dec 2017 20:19

    Last edited by LancedDendrite on 18 Dec 2017 20:33; edited 1 time in total
      Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

    Does anyone else think its stupid that they put all that scaffolding around every pylon? Imagine how much time must be spent dismantling & reassembling the scaffolding.

    Surely could have been done better.
    Braddo
    Braddo,
    What would you propose instead?
    Posted: 18 Dec 2017 21:55
      historian Deputy Commissioner

    After having another look at damooops's photos I've concluded that at least two of the pylons that will take the down skyrail track over the current tracks are up (if that makes sense).
    That means that there about ten more pylons to go for the Grange Road section of the down track which are yet to go up.
    Gauntlet

    No, I believe that all the pylons are up. The tops of the pylons in the final (initial?) section are wider than the pylons further south and will take two beams.

    There are two portal structures which span the existing up and down tracks. This represents three spans that take the Down viaduct across the existing track. North of of these spans, both viaducts will be squeezed into the gap between the Up line and Lorne St/Girdwood Ave (I would suspect that the Down viaduct will foul the existing Up line).

    See this aerial map... http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/crossings/caulfield-to-dandenong/project-design#aerialmaps
    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 14:26
      historian Deputy Commissioner

    Does anyone else think its stupid that they put all that scaffolding around every pylon? Imagine how much time must be spent dismantling & reassembling the scaffolding.

    Surely could have been done better.
    Braddo

    Have you seen a house being built recently? Modern OH&S frowns on unguarded heights.

    And I guess you haven't seen the cricket team of people on top of the pylons when they are erecting the spans.

    In practice, putting/up removing scaffolding is quick and easy for the scaffolding contractors. It's certainly far cheaper than an accident. And easy access to the top of the pylons speeds up the work - which is where the real cost is.
    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 14:31
      reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

    I wasn't aware of this. Is this part of the level crossing removal project? Is it part of the scope of works for Skyrail? Anyone got any ideas?
    https://Railpage.com.au/f-p2056201.htm#2056201
    LancedDendrite

    Thank you. I had no idea at all about this! I think it's because I assumed the Dandenong Rail Project (or whatever it is marketed as) was just Skyrail + Platform and Signalling upgrades.
    Posted: 19 Dec 2017 15:49
      AJW Chief Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne
    Hi - it has been a while since anyone updated the progress.

    I have been away and saw the LXRA is not really giving any updates either.

    The PTV apps and website indicate busses until 14 Feb between Dande and Westall.  Does this mean they are finishing the Noble Park viaducts? Last December it was seemingly advanced.  All spans are in place decking and ramps/stations being built.

    I saw they said 100 beams done, 70 to go around Murrumbeena, so they will be a while before they will be doing track/overhead there
    Posted: 17 Jan 2018 11:59

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