Railroad Australia TV Show

 
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Ep 2, 17 March, Discovery channel.
I have seen this before where the 10 Tunnels 'appear' to be just west of Sydney rather than 'over' the Mountains descending into Lithgow.

They jumped about  a fair bit rather than showing the run as it is.
I remember as a small boy going to Katoomba in the early 50's of them attaching the Pilot at Valley Heights and the train steaming away to tackle the incline a few hundred metres west of the platform and around the curve past the the Coal loader into Springwood a few minutes away.
The run to Falconbridge wasnt too bad but from there to Linden was a good pull and I believe in past years, Goods Trains had both a Pilot on the front that went through to Katoomba and a 'Banker' on the rear as far as Linden.
It was possibly this 'Banker' that caused the runaway from Linden one night pre WW2.

If they were looking for areas where Trains had problems on the grades, one place about 4 kms East of Mt Victoria under Mt Boyce (Soldiers Pinch) was notorious for Trains to loose traction on the UP Main during the late evening and it was common to see the then last track on the UP Main stay out for far longer than the section called for and this was when the 46 class Electrics were in their heyday.

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  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Be nice if they showed a little more of the technicalities of actually driving the things, especially in places like the Adelaide Hills or Blue Mountains. They showed something of the long hard slog it is up those ranges with all locos working very hard and it's an impressive thing, but for me, far more impressive is how they handle the long, steep declines, especially in the drizzly conditions we saw in the Adelaide Hills in episode one.

Losing the battle of controlling a fully loaded train on a long, steep descent with an under powered dynamic brake (or no dynamic brake!) knowing you're going to have to make an air brake application. How much kpa do you reduce it by? Have you slowed the train speed sufficiently to allow time to release the brakes and recharge before having to apply again, without going over the speed limit, or being able to stop before a red signal?
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Back in the 46 class days, the Driver had a foot pedal that he had to press to lay sand as it wasnt automatic then and it was on that climb east of Mt Victoria about 11.30pm om 308A Fruit and Meat express I wondered why he was almost stamping on it so much and when I asked another Driver later, he told me what it was for.
I was only a Junior and had no idea of the load and Grades and that the train was slipping on an icy track and the sand was used to gain traction.
Another time between Blackheath and Medlow Bath on 308A again late at night, suddenly the Night was lit by a glaring flash and then another before the Driver reacted and shut the throttle down because the pantograph was 'Bouncing' of the overhead wire due to frost building up on it.
The Volt meter had been sitting on around 1700 and 400 on the Amp meter as we were on a descent and he had the control in Regen.
He explained that it was possible for the Pantagraph skid to 'weld' itself to the overhead when it arced like that and of course would cause all sorts of damage had he not shut it down.

I was told a few stories of Trains 'loosing the Air' and coming close to being a Runaway on the lower mountains and it was not something most Crews wanted to experience.

I was Pilotman on an UP goods between Tarana and Rydal with a load hauled by a single 45 class one day and in more than one place on the rising grades, with the engine at full throttle, we 'roared' along at a whole 8 MPH !!!.
The Driver said it could go as low as 5 MPH but when that happened, it was about ready to stall which was the last thing you wanted to happen.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Just finished watching episode 2.  I again thought the show was well presented with just the right amount of drama and intrigue.

Was that S317 in a siding in the Blue Mountains area?
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Just finished watching episode 2.  I again thought the show was well presented with just the right about of drama and intrigue.

Was that S317 in a siding in the Blue Mountains area?
bevans
State Mine at Lithgow, probably. SSR have a depot there.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The fletchers train is certainly large enough to rival SCT on the Melboune to Perth corridor which again shows how smaller private enterprise can make rail work if the receiving Port is rail friendly.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The fletchers train is certainly large enough to rival SCT on the Melboune to Perth corridor which again shows how smaller private enterprise can make rail work if the receiving Port is rail friendly.
bevans
The program quoted Fletchers at 1.2km and most SCT services run at 1.8km. Most SCT trains also have numerous double height vans and double stack container wagons in their consists and there are five return services a week compared to Fletchers three.


I think the Fletchers train has a very long way to go before it can be said to rival SCT’s services.


Having said that, the emergence of Fletchers (and Crawfords) is a very positive sign for the rail industry, especially given the
inability of Aurizon and PN to get their respective acts together.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia


Having said that, the emergence of Fletchers (and Crawfords) is a very positive sign for the rail industry, especially given the
inability of Aurizon and PN to get their respective acts together.
bingley hall

I tend to agree in that it is refreshing for the industry and especially for customers who are frustrated with the bigger operators.  The emergence goes a long way to illustrating the importance smaller challengers play in markets which require competition to be successful for the customer.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Just finished watching episode 2.  I again thought the show was well presented with just the right about of drama and intrigue.

Was that S317 in a siding in the Blue Mountains area?
State Mine at Lithgow, probably. SSR have a depot there.
michaelgreenhill
......Didn't see S317, but did see RailPower's S312, stored in the open at Blayney.  It is the only loco painted in the Black RailPower livery.

Just watched the final repeat of the second show...................

Happy trainspotting,

John
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Last episode had the inline fueling issue which made me wonder if the technology is worth it.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Anyone watch the show last evening?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Last episode had the inline fueling issue which made me wonder if the technology is worth it.
freightgate
Seriously?

One incident hammed up to the Max for the TV cameras and you think the technology is lacking?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Anyone watch the show last evening?
bevans
It's getting very repetitive.

I'm hoping the sneak peak at next week's show was a bad edit, because it just looked like going over more old ground.

More poetic TV licence last night. I've never heard of the SCT train called the 'Great White shark' and I've been closely following the fortunes of that train since it started in 1995.

The enthusiasts' drive out to Yorkey's crossing is certainly not half as bad as they made out.

But I managed to sit through the whole show Smile
  Turbo Thomas Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Not happy with a couple of things from last nights show.
They made out that a couple of photographers were driving alongside a train at speed on a dirt track to try to get to a level crossing to cut across in front of the train and get a photo of it. No one should ever be encouraged to do something like that.
They made out that a mature person working in the buffet didn't know how to use the cash register properly. Quite insulting.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
More poetic TV licence last night. I've never heard of the SCT train called the 'Great White shark' and I've been closely following the fortunes of that train since it started in 1995.

The enthusiasts' drive out to Yorkey's crossing is certainly not half as bad as they made out.
bingley hall
Maybe the producers think their audience will recognise the Greg Norman analogy

Well remember it's not the 4 lane concrete highway the yanks are used of Rolling Eyes
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

It was probably the most boring of the series so far. They are having trouble making high drama out of small issues.
The previous episodes have been entertaining.
Would be a bit more interesting if they concentrated on the actual locos a bit more. I don't really care whether someone on the Ghan got the pie they ordered or not.

Something I have noticed that our track repair procedures seem to be very labour intensive whereas British and  European shows seem to be very automated.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
In the last show they showed two sections where a 'K' crossing was damaged and I think a set of points needed upgrading also building up the head of the rail by welding.
I cant see how any of those jobs could have been 'Automated' as they dont lend them selves to such procedures.
Total resleepering/rail replacing
Firstly you have to cut the rail where required (4 places) and I cant see how that can be 'automated'.
Once the road was cut, they dragged out the unwanted section and carried in the new set of points.
Having seen mistakes made in precutting of rails in both situations, I too would have brought in the 'K' crossing and track section to line up with whats there before measuring, measuring again, marking, measure again and then start cutting.
I dont know what the current requirements are but years ago they wanted around 3 metres between joints (welded or plated), and that included those done on the rails when making them into continuous lengths where ever that is done today.
The placement of the welds is very important and has to be considered when joining the rails.
I have see sets of points come with a 'Glued Joint' already attached for Track circuiting reasons but now thats been changed and not used now.
The only automation I know works well in all situations is the Tie spacer come Tamper come aligner used to bring the Track up to specs when everything else is done.
I was going to call it a 'Plasser' but that wasnt the name on the one they used on that points/track upgrade on that Coal line in the Hunter Valley.
Other than that is the full sleeper/rail removal/relaying machine but I dont know how well it handles points and crossings if at all.
  Gaz170 Junior Train Controller

Location: Gold Coast
Anyone watch the show last evening?

The enthusiasts' drive out to Yorkey's crossing is certainly not half as bad as they made out.

bingley hall
Did you notice the Narrow gauge ore train supposedly photographed near there?  That would be a sight!!!
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Watched the show for the first time on the weekend (Episode 6) - fortunately my brother has Foxtel and is recording the series.  Enjoyed the adventures of Dave and Eddie although obviously dramatized a bit for the show.

The next episode looks like a cracker with some Vic mainline steam train action....
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Tonight's episode according to sources, I have not seen it yet, has a cameo by @Loco
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I gave up after 15 minutes last night.

Just could not handle the inane narration.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
I gave up after 15 minutes last night.

Just could not handle the inane narration
bingley hall
You missed the good bits with the Bricks through both windows on the Steam Hauled Snow Train Engine and the almost but not quite delayed/cancelled trip as a result.
I hope those who saw just how close both crew members could have been seriously injured because of this,  that they report anyone seen throwing objects at Trains and the Police and Courts deal severely with any one caught doing so.

But apart from the 'If we're stopped here much Longer we will be late' (You dont say?) and the constantly repeated 'losing their Pathway' due to numerous reasons, it was pretty much the usual show we see each week.
Basicaly just a normal day at the office on any Railway in the world.

I almost forgot the incredibly gripping saga of the defective Red Tail light on a Savannah lander which came within an inch of the Train being cancelled but with a bit of judicious jiggling, it lit and all was well with the world in general.
(They dont have a system to cover such situations as a Marker Light Failure ???)
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
I was disgusted to see the segment on the Snow Train when those two bricks were thrown at the train windows.

Not great advertising for Melbourne.

Can anyone tell me where that occurred and were the scumbags caught?
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

Sorry but I am over this show now.
It showed early promise but the plots are now pathetic.
I can't get excited wondering whether the empty train will make it in time to be loaded and sent back to the docks and I don't think anyone else could either.
Back to Hogans Heroes reruns for me where the storylines are far more plausible
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I was disgusted to see the segment on the Snow Train when those two bricks were thrown at the train windows.

Not great advertising for Melbourne.

Can anyone tell me where that occurred and were the scumbags caught?
Boss

The train would have been the snow train from last year (2015) if I am not mistaken.  I personally do not recall any reports of this happening on the journey but it may have.  Anybody recall issues with bricks?

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