Hunter Valley Steamfest 2016

 
  M636C Minister for Railways

It was exciting to travel in the GMS behind 5917 for the great race, but I can relate to not getting much of a view of the other trains. Comparing the great videos I shot on previous 'races" when there were only 2 trains, seperated by tracks like when 3801/3830 raced, I think that these gave passengers a much better view of a steam loco at speed. The 4 locos side by side are a great spectacle for tracksiders, not so good for passengers.
The Man in Blue
As far as I can tell, the four trains were side by side at Warabrook where I was, but not so much elsewhere from the photos, but the whole train would have to be clear of the adjacent trains for a good view of the others. But that should have been clear to anyone who had seen the area before. The view of the race was always better for lineside observers.

As I drove to Maitland just after the trains, I saw dozens of people leaving every imaginable viewing point as I passed them. I think that is a big part of the "race", since many more people than could fit on the trains, often locals, can see the trains pass by.

M636C

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  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

What a great read this thread is
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

People on the south side of the bridge were  able to see it (see Alco 4836's shots above).
M636C
"I" got it from both sides of the bridge.
Just search for Quad Maitland Steamfest "Great Train Race" at Youtube.

I drove up to Greta afterwards to get 6029 on the Branxton shuttle, and got to Maitland before three of the trains.
M636C
With a few hundred people on the bridge, how did you manage that - especially when the trains were going fast?

Was any statement made about winning?
M636C
The media did. See NBN TV video here: http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2016/04/10/hunter-valley-steamfest-draws-massive-crowds/

Before Steamfest the crowd was expected  to be 50,000, but at a low estimate, it's been put at 80,000.

Part of a person's comment on the NBN TV page (See NBN's video around 1m 19s):

The other [downside] was no pedestrian traffic management over Maitland Station footbridge, which ground to a complete halt with people wanting to go in both directions at the end of the great train race, and neither direction succeeding. Probably never expected that many people I would assume.
Commont on NBN TV page
I wouldn't really call it "winning", but according to the media, 6029 was first, not sure about the rest, but think it may have been 3016, 5917 then 3642.
  M636C Minister for Railways

I only drove past the station on the New England Highway. I try to avoid Maitland station during Steamfest. Warabrook was bad enough. However the first train into Maitland station was 3016, because it was on the down main and was signalled straight into the platform. But I drove within all the speed limits and didn't even try to leave the Warabrook car park quickly. 3642 was stopped on the up main (the TAA had it entering alongside 3016, while the two trains on the coal roads were timed five minutes later). I guess High Street was the finish line...

M636C


  Octane Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney, NSW
Some video of the Mon carriage transfers, caught here through Carramar.

LVR/RTM first...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVe1HFLjxFs

Then the ARHS contingent...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6K4kjNK8T0

BIG thanks to all involved for a great weekend!

J
  whitbomb07 Junior Train Controller

Location: Newcastle/Valley Heights
Anyone in the know able to say what happened with the Heritage Express trip delay?

I was at the Hawkesbury River station when they made an announcement on the PA that the train had "come apart" at Wondabyne and it was not known when it or anything else for that matter would pass HR station, as apparently a passenger train was being held at Woy Woy as a result. I had other commitments so couldn't wait and chose to depart. I didn't want to make assumptions but based on the above video I'm guessing there was some sort of coupling failure?

Thanks
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

Anyone in the know able to say what happened with the Heritage Express trip delay?

I was at the Hawkesbury River station when they made an announcement on the PA that the train had "come apart" at Wondabyne and it was not known when it or anything else for that matter would pass HR station, as apparently a passenger train was being held at Woy Woy as a result. I had other commitments so couldn't wait and chose to depart. I didn't want to make assumptions but based on the above video I'm guessing there was some sort of coupling failure?

Thanks
whitbomb07
As I understand it coupling between 3642 and 5910 failed. 3642 then ran LE through to HR, with 5910 and 4520 hauling the train into the loop soon after. 3642 then ran around and attached to the rear of the train. By the time the re-marshalled consist was ready to go I had "lost the sun" at the only accessible spot on Cowan bank so I moved up to Berowra, and as you can see from the video the pig was not doing any work by the time they reached that location although the loco may well have been working hard when the train was climbing the main grade between Hawkesbury River and Cowan.
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

I decide that I wanted to record a scene where the four trains in the Race would be moving at speed to create the impression that it was actually a race, so I thought I would have to be very lucky to capture a scene of all four locomotives lined up together. I chose to go to Metford, and as the trains came over the hill From Thornton for a moment I though I might actually get lucky, but as expected, as the locos picked up speed coming down the hill the trains spread out, but I'm still happy with the edited video.
After looking at lots of photos/video that has been placed online I think the best place to have been to score a shot of the locos perfectly lined up and still moving at a reasonable pace was from the Pitnacree Creek Road Bridge at East Maitland. Thanks to whoever it is who uses the name NSWGR Trikes for placing this video on YouTube for us to enjoy:
BW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmtnvliHXlw
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Bevan, you never fail to deliver, thanks.

Regards, Mick.
  Ian Childs Beginner

The knuckle pin on 5917's front coupler failed. After running 3642 light to Hawkesbury River and then bringing 5917/4520 and train into the loop as well, normal traffic was resumed with a small disruption to Up services. The spectacle of the following transfer from Steamfest (2 x GL's, 3016, 6029 and train) through Hawkesbury River was worth seeing, all working hard!
   My mate and I stayed as long as we could but missed the departure of 5917/4520 and train with 3642 at the rear, which should have been spectacular! We had to get back to Maitland, pick up our bags from the luggage room and catch the XPT home around 5:30 pm. Impressed with the way all concerned handled the situation at Hawkesbury River.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
I only drove past the station on the New England Highway. I try to avoid Maitland station during Steamfest. Warabrook was bad enough. However the first train into Maitland station was 3016, because it was on the down main and was signalled straight into the platform. But I drove within all the speed limits and didn't even try to leave the Warabrook car park quickly. 3642 was stopped on the up main (the TAA had it entering alongside 3016, while the two trains on the coal roads were timed five minutes later). I guess High Street was the finish line...

M636C


M636C
6029 was first into the platform at Maitland followed by 3642 then 3016 and finally 5917.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
6029 was first into the platform at Maitland followed by 3642 then 3016 and finally 5917.
"LowndesJ515
Righto; quit boasting!!!!!Razz
BTW; what did it pay on the tote?
  M636C Minister for Railways

I only drove past the station on the New England Highway. I try to avoid Maitland station during Steamfest. Warabrook was bad enough. However the first train into Maitland station was 3016, because it was on the down main and was signalled straight into the platform. But I drove within all the speed limits and didn't even try to leave the Warabrook car park quickly. 3642 was stopped on the up main (the TAA had it entering alongside 3016, while the two trains on the coal roads were timed five minutes later). I guess High Street was the finish line...

M636C


6029 was first into the platform at Maitland followed by 3642 then 3016 and finally 5917.
LowndesJ515
Ummm...

Are you sure about that?

As I drove past the station, 6029 and 5917 were stopped near the "cage" pedestrian bridge, 3642 was stopped closer to the station just short of the up main platform and 3016 was standing in the down main platform...

M636C
  Duffy Chief Commissioner

Location: ACT
Ummm...

Are you sure about that?

As I drove past the station, 6029 and 5917 were stopped near the "cage" pedestrian bridge, 3642 was stopped closer to the station just short of the up main platform and 3016 was standing in the down main platform...

M636C
"M636C"


I think LowndesJ515 might have had a fair idea.  He was driving one of the trains....
  M636C Minister for Railways

Ummm...

Are you sure about that?

As I drove past the station, 6029 and 5917 were stopped near the "cage" pedestrian bridge, 3642 was stopped closer to the station just short of the up main platform and 3016 was standing in the down main platform...

M636C


I think LowndesJ515 might have had a fair idea.  He was driving one of the trains....
Duffy

I have met the gentleman while he was driving an up PN BG freight with two NR livery BL class at Altona North by the refinery many years ago, and he and I both photographed his stopped train which was quite well lit. So I assumed that he was involved.

I was a little misled in that I had the TAA for the occasion which indicated that in theory 3642 and 3016 would run directly into the up and down platforms 1 and 2, followed later by by 6029 and 5917.

When I was there, as I've said, 3642 was a full trainlength ahead of the 59 and 60. There appeared to be a rake of heritage vehicles in Maitland station, which I assumed, based on the TAA, was 3016's train but I didn't get a good view.

Assuming that 6029's was in fact the first train into the station (because it was the first scheduled to leave?), 3016 may have been out of my sight behind the trains of 5917 and 6029.

But clearly this had nothing to do with a race but was the decision of train control.

I wonder why the original plan was not carried out?

M636C
  M636C Minister for Railways

Ummm...

Are you sure about that?

As I drove past the station, 6029 and 5917 were stopped near the "cage" pedestrian bridge, 3642 was stopped closer to the station just short of the up main platform and 3016 was standing in the down main platform...

M636C


I think LowndesJ515 might have had a fair idea.  He was driving one of the trains....
Duffy

I have met the gentleman while he was driving an up PN BG freight with two NR livery BL class at Altona North by the refinery many years ago, and he and I both photographed his stopped train which was quite well lit. So I assumed that he was involved.

I was a little misled in that I had the TAA for the occasion which indicated that in theory 3642 and 3016 would run directly into the up and down platforms 1 and 2, followed later by by 6029 and 5917.

When I was there, as I've said, 3642 was a full trainlength ahead of the 59 and 60. There appeared to be a rake of heritage vehicles in Maitland station, which I assumed, based on the TAA, was 3016's train but I didn't get a good view.

Assuming that 6029's was in fact the first train into the station (because it was the first scheduled to leave?), 3016 may have been out of my sight behind the trains of 5917 and 6029.

But clearly this had nothing to do with a race but was the decision of train control.

I wonder why the original plan was not carried out?

M636C
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Ummm...

Are you sure about that?

As I drove past the station, 6029 and 5917 were stopped near the "cage" pedestrian bridge, 3642 was stopped closer to the station just short of the up main platform and 3016 was standing in the down main platform...

M636C


I think LowndesJ515 might have had a fair idea.  He was driving one of the trains....

I have met the gentleman while he was driving an up PN BG freight with two NR livery BL class at Altona North by the refinery many years ago, and he and I both photographed his stopped train which was quite well lit. So I assumed that he was involved.
M636C
WAT? I was involved because I was driving a BG train? Sorry I don't seem to recall you.

The plan changed to release the Up Coal and Up Main back to regular traffic. If you saw what you saw, maybe you were on Train Simulator.
  M636C Minister for Railways


I have met the gentleman while he was driving an up PN BG freight with two NR livery BL class at Altona North by the refinery many years ago, and he and I both photographed his stopped train which was quite well lit. So I assumed that he was involved.W(H)AT? I was involved because I was driving a BG train? Sorry I don't seem to recall you.

The plan changed to release the Up Coal and Up Main back to regular traffic. If you saw what you saw, maybe you were on Train Simulator
LowndesJ515

I can often remember things in detail that others present can't remember. This isn't always an advantage.

I can also remember meeting you at the Burnham Lane bridge on Werai curve at a later date, but that didn't indicate that you were loco crew.

My logic, such as it is, was that knowing you are a driver, and seeing that you commented on the occurrence, I assumed that you had been on a train there at the time.

As I said, my perception of the scene was affected by my preconception that the TAA would be followed. As I was driving past and saw three trains waiting and saw what appeared to be a fourth train in Maitland station (which may have been unrelated empty cars...) I came to the conclusion above.

M636C
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
Found on Facebook, drone view of the 4-way great race:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBpHvoZu6l8


Source vid was found here:
https://www.facebook.com/savethenorthernrailline
  4206 Chief Commissioner

Location: Dorrigo yard
Thank you for sharing, great video
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

An obvious handicap but IMHO probably the best perspective of the race - thank you
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

That was brilliant.
Loved the dramatic music
  Factory_Fill Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne VIC
To settle the who beat who to the platform first:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kSMQoEOgkw
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

First, is their a way to make the preview picture smaller?



https://youtu.be/wEIcO4Wd_io
  M636C Minister for Railways

To settle the who beat who to the platform first:
Factory_Fill


Sadly I passed by some time after that video ends, and was looking at the trains closer to Maitland.

Both the Garratt and the 36 had stopped, the Garratt near the next pedestrian bridge and the 36 further forward quite close to Maitland No 1 platform.

So as I passed the 36 was closest to the station.

So a video of what happened a little earlier only helps in indicating that 3016's train was not in platform 2 as it appeared to be (through intervening buildings) as I drove past.

M636C

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