Hunter Valley Steamfest 2016

 
  Duffy Chief Commissioner

Location: ACT
Canberra ARHS has posted this morning on Facebook they aren't running the triple header to or from Maitland.

ss
Not quite correct......

THNSW was to run the triple header (3016, 3642 and 6029) to and from Maitland.  ARHS(ACT) supply 3016 and 6029.  

There have been joint/coordinated facebook posts from ARHS(ACT) and THNSW.  ARHS(ACT) are now planning to run 3016 and 6029 to/from(??) Maitland under their own accreditation.  THNSW will run the passenger train, now probably with 3642 only (unless they combine this with the diesel hauled support train).

This may be because of the running gear repairs required on 6029.

I was looking forward to the Friday trip with three steamers up front.

Happy disappointing Crying or Very sad ,

John
I can't read anything in the ARHS announcement on their web site that suggests there are any current issues with 6029 that are preventing the locomotive from operating. It is my understanding that both 3016 and 6029 will still be attending the Hunter Valley Steamfest, but instead of combining with THfNSW for the movement from Picton to Maitland and return the ARHS consist will now operate as a separate train. In fact, reports elsewhere indicate that after Steamfest 6029 will remain in Sydney for a week or so to operate some trips around the metropolitan area.
BW
Bevan Wall
Repairs are progressing on 6029.

ARHS will also operate its own trains at Steamfest in conjunction with Maitland City Council and independant of THNSW.

A program of trips has also been developed for 6029 in Sydney during May, although the website is slightly out of date regarding the destinations.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Now present on the tour page:

NOTICE TO CUSTOMERS

STEAMFEST FLYER TO MAITLAND

FRIDAY 8 APRIL 2016


Due to changes in the operational environment, Transport Heritage NSW regrets to advise it has suspended sales for the one way triple-header steam locomotive journey to the 2016 Hunter Valley Steamfest on Friday 8 April 2016.

Locomotives 6029 (Beyer-Garratt) and 3016 from ARHS ACT will not operate as part of this service.

Transport Heritage NSW is working to address the situation, the service will still operate as scheduled and we will advise customers of new operational arrangements as soon as possible.

Customers who wish to cancel their existing bookings can do so with full refund by calling Transport Heritage NSW on 1300 11 55 99.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

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Bevans, I can't find that notice on any post of the Steamfest site.

Edit: Okay found it here: http://www.heritageexpress.info/#!20160408-steamfest-flyer-to-maitland/wmkb6

This sounds like that 6029 & 3016 will not be at Steamfest.

But this happens at almost EVERY Maitland Steamfest, a notice that one or two steam engines are either unavailable or that their they are working on the steam locos.

Due to changes in the operational environment
HfNSW site
So what's the REAL non-spin answer then?

Although it says that these two won't be part of THAT service, not that they won't attend. But I have my doubts that these two will be part of Steamfest.

Shouldn't this notice be on the news page of the Steamfest site?
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
6029 is still sick, and won't be on the night train to Bungendore over Easter. But it and 3016 are still going to Maitland with a whopping train. See the ARHS ACT Facebook page for more details. I could also say do a google for the train alteration advice for steamfest, but I think I'm not allowed to.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
"Due to changes in the operational environment".
What absolute balderdash. The environment remains the same - same tracks, same destination, same everything. That statement is an insult to people's intelligence because it is inaccurate and therefore because it's meaningless. Whoever wrote it has a future writing official gobbledegook for politicians. What is the writer hiding?
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

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"Due to changes in the operational environment".
Valvegear

Am I allowed to say Bulls**t? As Valvegear said "BALDERDASH"!

Would it be some sort of dispute?

But why does this sort of thing or similar happen at almost every Maitland, okay, okay then Hunter Valley Steamfest?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
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"Due to changes in the operational environment".

Am I allowed to say Bulls**t? As Valvegear said "BALDERDASH"!

Would it be some sort of dispute?

But why does this sort of thing or similar happen at almost every Maitland, okay, okay then Hunter Valley Steamfest?
Newcastle Express
What other stories can we make up Razz
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It would be appreciated if the learned bingley hall could point out just what has been made up.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

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So Bingley Hall, I gather you can't read then?? When you press reply under a name, you delete the unneeded parts of a post your quoting.

For the bookings to be suspended, that may (not does) indicate that it could be some MAJOR issue.

Using "due to operational requirements" or "operational issues" for delays usually means they want to disguise something.

The Steamfest site still has the Steamfest Flyer (was Hunter Valley Flyer for the last few years) as being a triple headed steam train.
  M636C Minister for Railways

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So Bingley Hall, I gather you can't read then?? When you press reply under a name, you delete the unneeded parts of a post your quoting.

For the bookings to be suspended, that may (not does) indicate that it could be some MAJOR issue.

Using "due to operational requirements" or "operational issues" for delays usually means they want to disguise something.

The Steamfest site still has the Steamfest Flyer (was Hunter Valley Flyer for the last few years) as being a triple headed steam train.
Newcastle Express
But the ARHS ACT have said they won't be providing 3016 and 6029 to that train.

They indicate that those locomotives will run independently to the Hunter Valley.

If other steam locomotives can be found to accompany 3642, it may well still be triple headed steam.
  ssaunders Train Controller

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But why does this sort of thing or similar happen at almost every Maitland, okay, okay then Hunter Valley Steamfest?
Newcastle Express


Becuase of poor and last minute planning most likely between Maitland Council and their train supplier.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
You're all reading too much into it. Without going into details, that's between THNSW and ARHS ACT. Both organisations do not want what's going on between them aired. THNSW and ARHS are having discussions about moving forward but for the mean time the trains running to Maitland will operate under each organisations accreditation. It's as simple as that. Both groups are talking to Maitland City Council and both groups are still attending with the locomotive they have said.

You can call it bulls**t all you want to the 'operational environment' statement but the simple matter is what is going on between both groups is their own business, no one elses to get involved. Is that blunt enough?

As stated, both groups are working towards the goal and that goal is to provide 4 operational steam locomotives for the event and that was the promise that was made to the Maitland City Council. There is another locomotive on standby should one not be able to make it.

As of this afternoon, 6029 has all of it's rods back on and a load test will be conducted soon to make sure she can attend.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
You're all reading too much into it. Without going into details, that's between THNSW and ARHS ACT. Both organisations do not want what's going on between them aired. THNSW and ARHS are having discussions about moving forward but for the mean time the trains running to Maitland will operate under each organisations accreditation. It's as simple as that. Both groups are talking to Maitland City Council and both groups are still attending with the locomotive they have said.

You can call it bulls**t all you want to the 'operational environment' statement but the simple matter is what is going on between both groups is their own business, no one elses to get involved. Is that blunt enough?

As stated, both groups are working towards the goal and that goal is to provide 4 operational steam locomotives for the event and that was the promise that was made to the Maitland City Council. There is another locomotive on standby should one not be able to make it.

As of this afternoon, 6029 has all of it's rods back on and a load test will be conducted soon to make sure she can attend.
LowndesJ515
Well said.

You would think it's obvious that anyone genuinely involved the preservation business these days would know what a tightrope any organisation needs to walk to get events over the line, and that the widespread dissemination by the uneducated Razz of the often delicate negotiations required just doesn't help anyone.

Yet the internet tough guys insist on coming on here with their 'bulls**t' and their BALDERDASH" - as you suggest it's really is none of their smegging business.


  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If it's none of our business then say so, instead of publishing gobbledegook. Call it "commercial in confidence" if you like.  But don't insult readers' intelligence. The statement about "operational environment" was for public consumption, and is therefore fair game for comment. It was, is, and remains, absolute crap, because it is totally meaningless.
And thanks for the jibe about tough guys, Bing.
  Duffy Chief Commissioner

Location: ACT
If it's none of our business then say so, instead of publishing gobbledegook. Call it "commercial in confidence" if you like.  But don't insult readers' intelligence. The comment about "operational environment" is, was, and remains absolute crap.
And thanks for the jibe about tough guys, Bing. What a pathetic remark.
Valvegear

Ok, its none of your business.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Ok, its none of your business.
Duffy
Thank you for a straightforward, honest, and meaningful statement. My original post was more about the mangling of the English language than anything else, and I'm glad to see that someone  likes to tell it as it is instead of resorting to obfuscation.
  sambo Station Master

So now ARTC has the transfer on the 8th April, as "CANCELLED"....

6029 no good?
  Lloyd1952 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Sydney, Australia
So now ARTC has the transfer on the 8th April, as "CANCELLED"....

6029 no good?
"sambo"


The link on Facebook posted by Thomas Worley is actually dated as 8th May, so is this an early April Fool's hoax or what? Hoping everyone works it out for Steamfest

Lloyd
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
So now ARTC has the transfer on the 8th April, as "CANCELLED"....

6029 no good?


The link on Facebook posted by Thomas Worley is actually dated as 8th May, so is this an early April Fool's hoax or what? Hoping everyone works it out for Steamfest

Lloyd
Lloyd1952
ARTC has it as the 8th April, when the movement had originally intended (And may still do so) to happen

Kind Regards
  torana Station Master

Location: Menangle.N.S.W.
Could somebody come out and be honest with everyone who is planning to go to the Maitland Steam Festival for 2016. One of the BIGGEST drawcards is the GARRATT 6029.
Rumour has it that it wont be attending, Is this true.?

It was the reason many of us were planning on attending, but we are all up in the air at present.

Torana.  Menangle.N.S.W. Dave.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Could somebody come out and be honest with everyone who is planning to go to the Maitland Steam Festival for 2016. One of the BIGGEST drawcards is the GARRATT 6029.
Rumour has it that it wont be attending, Is this true.?

It was the reason many of us were planning on attending, but we are all up in the air at present.

Torana.  Menangle.N.S.W. Dave.
torana

As Lowndes J515 posted above:

"As of this afternoon, 6029 has all of it's rods back on and a load test will be conducted soon to make sure she can attend."

I guess it depends on the test.

I certainly wouldn't decide not to go if 6029 didn't turn up.
I go to look at the coal trains with occasional steam specials, and I have lots of photos of the Garratt since restorstion.

M636C
  ssaunders Train Controller

Could somebody come out and be honest with everyone who is planning to go to the Maitland Steam Festival for 2016. One of the BIGGEST drawcards is the GARRATT 6029.
Rumour has it that it wont be attending, Is this true.?

It was the reason many of us were planning on attending, but we are all up in the air at present.

Torana.  Menangle.N.S.W. Dave.
torana

Not sure where your rumour comes from. The rumour I have is it's going.

So whomever told you it isn't going doesn't know the train has been re-pathed.

ss
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Hi all, Today whilst I was out at Leightonfield, I shot this heritage movement of 4490/4520/4001, they ran to UGL Maintrain at Auburn, to collect 4204 and a couple of cars
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32678796@N05/25558756084/in/dateposted-public/

** 4204 is heading to Steamfest** on the 9th and 10th April, so it sort of belongs here

Kind Regards
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
6029 passed a load test yesterday with flying colours. All systems go for Maitland.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Well done to all concerned.

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