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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Looks like it's going to be Hillary vs Trump going by today's results.  Many Americans simply won't bother voting for either Presidential candidate in November....  They'll be lucky to get a turnout of more than 50% IMO.
Carnot

I tend to agree it will be between the two of them but who will win?

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  M636C Minister for Railways

I saw Clinton and Rubio on two different episodes of a Tonight Show.

Rubio was very uncomfortable and didn't respond well to the jokes.

Clinton nearly fell over laughing when asked "do you have an e-mail addres for us to get back to you"?

If you've seen the movie "Primary Colors" about Clinton's husband's run for President, it showed Hillary as the one running the show.

If the USA wants a capable politician, Hillary will win.

I'm not saying Trump can't win, but similar candidates in the past have failed.

Understanding the system helps and Clinton really does know how it all works.

There is nobody like Obama to take the Democratic vote from her and no-one like George Bush on the Republican side.

Trump only shows up well because his Republican opponents are so poor.

M636C
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I'm reasonably confident that he will beat Hillary Clinton - she's too much a representation of establishment politics backed by billionaires and investment banks.

Here and in the United States, ordinary people are sick to death of the bipartisanship of the traditional party system and they're crying out for change. Trump is a symptom of a broken system.
don_dunstan
... You are talking about a Billionaire and you are saying that Hillary Clinton is wedded to the Banks and Billionaires!! Go figure.  ...
"mejhammers1"
Further to JAP's reply, and with my bolding within Don's post, I have to say you've missed Don's point and don't actually seem to have a grip on US Politics, linking Trump to the Tea Party...

Don clearly said 'backed' by billionaires, now whether you are a believer in whatever figure of Trump's wealth, you have to understand this first, he's not really backed by anyone, he is largely doing this from outside the political establishment and largely with only his own funds and fundraising. That's the Clinton - Trump difference and Don was bang on.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Aaron, thanks for breaking it down. I think it's important to remember that although Trump is (supposedly) a billionaire property developer he's actually making noises that run completely contrary to what the 'establishment' want to hear - so much so that he could yet be dis-endorsed by the Republicans as justapassenger discussed earlier... and yet that may not stop his run for President. His rhetoric on protectionism and restricting migration resonates strongly with poor people and the working class; it's going to wedge the Democratic vote as well as the Republicans.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

I'm reasonably confident that he will beat Hillary Clinton - she's too much a representation of establishment politics backed by billionaires and investment banks.

Here and in the United States, ordinary people are sick to death of the bipartisanship of the traditional party system and they're crying out for change. Trump is a symptom of a broken system.
... You are talking about a Billionaire and you are saying that Hillary Clinton is wedded to the Banks and Billionaires!! Go figure.  ...
Further to JAP's reply, and with my bolding within Don's post, I have to say you've missed Don's point and don't actually seem to have a grip on US Politics, linking Trump to the Tea Party...

Don clearly said 'backed' by billionaires, now whether you are a believer in whatever figure of Trump's wealth, you have to understand this first, he's not really backed by anyone, he is largely doing this from outside the political establishment and largely with only his own funds and fundraising. That's the Clinton - Trump difference and Don was bang on.
Aaron
Fair Enough. However if you think that he is going to be any different to the establishment. The only thing different about Trump is that he is a racist and that fact that he is garnering so much support says a lot about White Middle America. Sorry the guy is a tool.

Michael
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Michael, you've missed it again, it's not about thinking he's different to the establishment, he IS different, that's why he's polling well.

You can call him what you like, but previously you called him a Tea Party hack, so you'll just have to forgive those of us that closely follow politics if we suggest you don't know what you're talking about.

The only slightly racist thing Trump has actually said was re the building of a wall between the US and Mexico. That's possibly not as racist as you might think. Strong border policies are not racist, and certainly not a product (as you'd probably like to think) of conservative policy, one of the most famous border fences in the world was built by the egalitarian East Germans.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Hillary might not even make it to the final race yet, she still has an FBI investigation to survive, and I can't actually see how she can survive it. She'll be likely facing prosecution rather than a presidential election. She's in big trouble I think.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Trump on the other hand is a totally rouge candidate
He often does appear a bit red in the face... Smile
And the hair is very discombobulating...
don_dunstan
It's all in the hair.

Recall The Simpsons where Homer gets Snake's hair and it takes possession of him? If you can trace the source of Trumpster's hair, you'll also have the source of his outlandish nuttiness!
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Hillary might not even make it to the final race yet, she still has an FBI investigation to survive, and I can't actually see how she can survive it. She'll be likely facing prosecution rather than a presidential election. She's in big trouble I think.
Aaron
There's been 7 Congressional enquiries and, seemingly, onto number 8. Nothing outrageous discovered....and these were inquiries with a Republican majority.

The FBI is conducting a general inquiry into the security of Clinton’s private email server. But law enforcement officials have said Clinton herself is not the target of the inquiry, it is not a full-blown criminal investigation.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Trump on the other hand is a totally rouge candidate
He often does appear a bit red in the face... Smile
And the hair is very discombobulating...
It's all in the hair.

Recall The Simpsons where Homer gets Snake's hair and it takes possession of him? If you can trace the source of Trumpster's hair, you'll also have the source of his outlandish nuttiness!
ParkesHub
My late grand-dad used to do exactly the same thing and took ages every morning for him to arrange his hair in a "comb over, comb forward" kind of thing held together with Bryl-cream and topped off with a beret to protect against the wind. God bless him, I think he thought he was fooling everyone!

If I was that bald I'd probably either just shave my head or get a hair-piece, whatever he does looks like too much work.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The comb over was popular until last 20 years or so, when the very short look took over and looks alot better.

Trump is a racist and not because of the comment on border security, he didn't talk down the support from KKK, he is anti Muslim which is often another way of saving anti arab as all arabs are deemed hard line Muslim by many yanks.

Clinton will get the bulk of the non-white vote, Non-christian vote, much of the womens vote, left vote, moderates vote and people who fear Trump running their country. The only downside I see is that she put on a bit of weight in last 2 years.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I doubt that Hillary will have much support from those who are behind Sanders (North East states, Young-adult/hipster voters).  Like many centrist republican voters they'll probably not bother voting for either candidate.  Many (church-going) Evangelical Christians won't vote for Trump either from what I read in the blogosphere.

Hitler came to power in the decade after Germany's post-WW1 humiliation and financial woes.  Hopefully Trump won't come to power after America's decline (albeit far less drastic) over the past decade....
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The only slightly racist thing Trump has actually said …
Aaron
Drumpf's racism is quite well documented, and goes much further than just his final solution for the 'Mexican problem.'

Hitler came to power in the decade after Germany's post-WW1 humiliation and financial woes.  Hopefully Trump won't come to power after America's decline (albeit far less drastic) over the past decade....
Carnot
Anyone who has read the first half of William Shirer's epic work The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich would have no trouble recognising the electoral strategy.

His fans can't tell the difference either.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Michael, you've missed it again, it's not about thinking he's different to the establishment, he IS different, that's why he's polling well.

You can call him what you like, but previously you called him a Tea Party hack, so you'll just have to forgive those of us that closely follow politics if we suggest you don't know what you're talking about.

The only slightly racist thing Trump has actually said was re the building of a wall between the US and Mexico. That's possibly not as racist as you might think. Strong border policies are not racist, and certainly not a product (as you'd probably like to think) of conservative policy, one of the most famous border fences in the world was built by the egalitarian East Germans.
Aaron
Erm, what this says to me that  Aaron your politics are a quite a bit to the right, to put it mildly.

Come on Aaron. That is cherry picking at its best. The only thing you remember him saying is about the wall between Mexico and the US, I mean really? Trump's comments are well documented, and refusing rule out endorsement from a KKK - member is just icing on the cake. Sorry but race-baiting, homophobia, racial prejudice and fear-mongering are all tactics of the Tea Party wing of the Republican Party. He may not be official part of them but he is mimicking their tactics. I mean who the hell criticizes a man who served his country for being a POW whilst he himself has never served. Yes that's right Donald Trump. Anyone with a sense of humility would not touch that with a 50 foot barge pole!!!

You probably think I am a left wing commie, (hence the reference to East Germany) well if opposing a racist, arrogant git like Trump makes me a commie then so be it. But I am a Conservative and I am sick to death of the Tea Party tossers ruining a fine party like the Republican Party. Remember my reference to John McCain, a fine man who had to run with that absolute dipstick Sarah Palin. Did not stand a chance.

Michael
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I doubt that Hillary will have much support from those who are behind Sanders (North East states, Young-adult/hipster voters).  Like many centrist republican voters they'll probably not bother voting for either candidate.  Many (church-going) Evangelical Christians won't vote for Trump either from what I read in the blogosphere.

Hitler came to power in the decade after Germany's post-WW1 humiliation and financial woes.  Hopefully Trump won't come to power after America's decline (albeit far less drastic) over the past decade....
Carnot
Trump is the type of personality that would bring out the usually lazy non voters to either vote for him or vote for the other for fear of his success.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Trump is the type of personality that would bring out the usually lazy non voters to either vote for him or vote for the other for fear of his success.
RTT_Rules
He's so divisive that even some mainstream Republican supporters will consider voting for Clinton in this election.

It's not looking like being a normal Democrat v Republican contest, but more like a Democrat v Independent contest (even if he is on the ballot with the Republican endorsement) and the Republicans mostly sitting on the sidelines.
  2353 Chief Train Controller

Location: Brisvegas
A xenophobe, a misogynist and climate change skeptic walked into a bar.

The bartender asked "What can I get you Mr Trump"
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Bernie Sanders beats Hillary Clinton in stunning Michagan primaries upset (The Guardian).

I'm not surprised that Hillary is losing momentum, what does she offer except more of the same. It would be very interesting indeed if November's election was between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, two candidates both vehemently opposed to the globalisation agenda and anti free-trade. Wall Street would not like it one bit.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Bernie Sanders beats Hillary Clinton in stunning Michagan primaries upset (The Guardian).

I'm not surprised that Hillary is losing momentum, what does she offer except more of the same. It would be very interesting indeed if November's election was between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, two candidates both vehemently opposed to the globalisation agenda and anti free-trade. Wall Street would not like it one bit.
don_dunstan
I'm not surprised one bit that this was the outcome in Michigan - a State that has borne the brunt of globalized industry and free-trade with the Mexicans (i.e the relocation of car factories).

Sanders the Socialist has (no surprises) not done well among Democrat voters in the Deep South.  But young Hipsters and many others in the North and West love Ol' Gramps.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Agreed, it has to translate to other states.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Trump needs to get Clive Palmer over there as his Vice-Presidential running mate.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Perhaps the Mexico wall will be to prevent the migrants from there, legal and illegal, from returning to a better life in Mexico?

Will the Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau construct a border wall to keep out the refugees from President Trump's USA?
  Alco_Haulic Chief Commissioner

Location: Eating out...
Bernie Sanders beats Hillary Clinton in stunning Michagan primaries upset (The Guardian).

I'm not surprised that Hillary is losing momentum, what does she offer except more of the same. It would be very interesting indeed if November's election was between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, two candidates both vehemently opposed to the globalisation agenda and anti free-trade. Wall Street would not like it one bit.
don_dunstan
Sadly (s)Hillary will most likely get all of the "Super" Delegates, meaning it'll be almost impossible for Sanders to get the nomination for the dems... Shame really, as the world needs a big smeging shake up politically.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Sadly (s)Hillary will most likely get all of the "Super" Delegates, meaning it'll be almost impossible for Sanders to get the nomination for the dems... Shame really, as the world needs a big smeging shake up politically.
"Alco_Haulic"
It would be so good for America to have itself a 'secular' president, Sanders is probably the closest nomination they'll get this time around, with Trump not far behind. Sadly I don't think Sanders will make it to the start of the big race. I still hope, Hillary might yet face FBI charges.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Bernie Sanders has a lot of ideas that will probably prove impractical in the long run but as with Trump it's wonderful that the scene has been shaken up with some outsiders. Noam Chomsky was asked what he thought of Bernie Sanders and said that he thought (as with Trump) many of his ideas were completely unworkable.

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