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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
You'd well be aware I hate both the retrace of capitalism as your aware and its ringmasters.
Dangersdan707
It might surprise you to find out that I actually don't hate capitalism - in fact I think it's the only really viable system that humanity has come up with. We need to moderate the excesses through political policy though; we made it work really well for us for most of the 20th century until those selfish carpet-baggers Hawke and Keating showed up on the scene - ever since then we've had a growing underclass that threatens the stability of our society.

Punishing China for not playing by the rules is only the first step in restoring an order that worked very well for us for nearly a hundred years.

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm sure that the Chinese are more than able to tolerate a little bit of juvenile smack talk if it comes with a $100,000,000,000 gift. China is winning, Trump is losing! Bad for America!
justapassenger
Let it play out, there's nothing we can possibly do that will influence the outcome anyway. We're only spectators down here in little old Oz.

Again, Trump is trying to change the outcome that China has world industrial and manufacturing dominance by not playing fair - everyone and anyone else was just going to let it happen. It's a good thing. Anything else was going to be a fait accompli.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I'm sure that the Chinese are more than able to tolerate a little bit of juvenile smack talk if it comes with a $100,000,000,000 gift. China is winning, Trump is losing! Bad for America!
Let it play out, there's nothing we can possibly do that will influence the outcome anyway. We're only spectators down here in little old Oz.

Again, Trump is trying to change the outcome that China has world industrial and manufacturing dominance by not playing fair - everyone and anyone else was just going to let it happen. It's a good thing. Anything else was going to be a fait accompli.
don_dunstan
Don. What drugs are you on. The USA is going to lose big time with Trump's meddling. As for Farage/Johnson and the UK, the whole Brexit disaster is happening for all to see. The end of the UK is nigh.

There are no working class in Australia, they are all now Aspirational Class and now vote for the real carpet baggers who couldn't give a sh*t about them.

They have you conned in big time Don.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I'm sure that the Chinese are more than able to tolerate a little bit of juvenile smack talk if it comes with a $100,000,000,000 gift. China is winning, Trump is losing! Bad for America!
Let it play out, there's nothing we can possibly do that will influence the outcome anyway. We're only spectators down here in little old Oz.

Again, Trump is trying to change the outcome that China has world industrial and manufacturing dominance by not playing fair - everyone and anyone else was just going to let it happen. It's a good thing. Anything else was going to be a fait accompli.
don_dunstan
Don. What drugs are you on. The USA is going to lose big time with Trump's meddling. As for Farage/Johnson and the UK, the whole Brexit disaster is happening for all to see. The end of the UK is nigh.

As for your so called poor class there are no working class in Australia, as they are all now Aspirational Class and vote for the real carpet baggers who couldn't give a sh*t about them.

They also have you conned in big time Don.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Don. What drugs are you on. The USA is going to lose big time with Trump's meddling. As for Farage/Johnson and the UK, the whole Brexit disaster is happening for all to see. The end of the UK is nigh.
nswtrains
Not on any drugs whatsoever tonight (much to my chagrin).

The United States has been seriously under-estimated many, many times. Hitler under-estimated it. The Soviet Union under-estimated it. There's a huge amount of infrastructure and capacity there - I think what Trump is trying to do is right, he's fundamentally trying to re-enfranchise the working class into the success story and for that he should be applauded.
There are no working class in Australia, they are all now Aspirational Class and now vote for the real carpet baggers who couldn't give a sh*t about them. They have you conned in big time Don.
nswtrains
You can't know the future, you can't predict what will happen - nobody can. I'm hoping that good things come from this, good things that turn around the fortunes of our nation and make us into a more equal and egalitarian society as we used to be - all flowing from the incidental trade war that Trump started with China. This might save us from a terrible fate, falling into a dreadful crime-ridden unequal society like Brazil or South Africa. We could have a lot to be thankful to Trump for.

Liberal lefties look at it as a tragedy - I look at it as an opportunity for us to restore our egalitarian, hard-working society. We were never going to be able to compete against slave labour - we have to remain relatively equal to keep our high standard of living. Look on the bright side, think of those who have been suffering since the Hawke-Keating 'reforms'.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
You'd well be aware I hate both the retrace of capitalism as your aware and its ringmasters.
It might surprise you to find out that I actually don't hate capitalism - in fact I think it's the only really viable system that humanity has come up with. We need to moderate the excesses through political policy though; we made it work really well for us for most of the 20th century until those selfish carpet-baggers Hawke and Keating showed up on the scene - ever since then we've had a growing underclass that threatens the stability of our society.

Punishing China for not playing by the rules is only the first step in restoring an order that worked very well for us for nearly a hundred years.
don_dunstan
I'm aware you don't after all, we've had that massive thread full of essay after essay on that entire kettle of fish, you just dislike neo-liberalism and I entirely agree with you on that and the effects of it.

China, like them or not has laid out a plan for economic growth and development and they probably will take the mantle of global Homogenon from the USA as the USA took the mantle from Britain and Britain from Spain beforehand. It may of worked well for us in the anglo sphere but not for everyone, just look out at Asia and most of Africa!
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm aware you don't after all, we've had that massive thread full of essay after essay on that entire kettle of fish, you just dislike neo-liberalism and I entirely agree with you on that and the effects of it.

China, like them or not has laid out a plan for economic growth and development and they probably will take the mantle of global Homogenon from the USA as the USA took the mantle from Britain and Britain from Spain beforehand. It may of worked well for us in the anglo sphere but not for everyone, just look out at Asia and most of Africa!
Dangersdan707
It's "hegemony", and no, China will never get there.

Several reasons but mostly to do with the fact that not being a democratic and open society will probably cause them to collapse in on themselves eventually, just like the Soviet Union did. The lack of a proper legal system is another enormous disadvantage, it means that whichever cabal is in charge of the Politburo is able to persecute their rivals without challenge.

If you want to glimpse the future look to the past: Mao starved to death tens of millions to head off a potential counter-revolutionary action from the peasantry in the 'Great Leap Forward'. He then embarked on several years of destroying universities, schools, research institutions - summarily executing leaders and managers, academics and anyone else he didn't like in the name of the 'Cultural Revolution', supposedly about keeping the revolutionary ideals fresh but in reality a never-ending pogrom that killed or imprisoned all their best and brightest.

I'd expect Xi to go down the same path eventually, especially if he feels threatened by what's going on in Hong Kong - if Xi goes crazy Mao did there's actually no mechanism by which he can be removed from office now as he's appointed himself Chairman for life. Our western democratic institutions have many, many faults - but we do have the capacity to dispose of despots if they try to entrench themselves at the top. Not so in a communist country.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Several reasons but mostly to do with the fact that not being a democratic and open society will probably cause them to collapse in on themselves eventually, just like the Soviet Union did. The lack of a proper legal system is another enormous disadvantage, it means that whichever cabal is in charge of the Politburo is able to persecute their rivals without challenge.

If you want to glimpse the future look to the past: Mao starved to death tens of millions to head off a potential counter-revolutionary action from the peasantry in the 'Great Leap Forward'. He then embarked on several years of destroying universities, schools, research institutions - summarily executing leaders and managers, academics and anyone else he didn't like in the name of the 'Cultural Revolution', supposedly about keeping the revolutionary ideals fresh but in reality a never-ending pogrom that killed or imprisoned all their best and brightest.

I'd expect Xi to go down the same path eventually, especially if he feels threatened by what's going on in Hong Kong - if Xi goes crazy Mao did there's actually no mechanism by which he can be removed from office now as he's appointed himself Chairman for life. Our western democratic institutions have many, many faults - but we do have the capacity to dispose of despots if they try to entrench themselves at the top. Not so in a communist country.
Don_dunstan
Oh Don, You know I don't like China, but the truth is in front us. and you are well aware of my spelling problem
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the 100 flowers campaign too, Purposeful act of purging or attempt to show a human side? The Party been intrenched in Chinese Society for roughly 70 years? Quit dreaming, the Chinese unlike the USSR in its last 15 years have a strong economy that has experienced unprecedented economic growth. Xi is indeed now chairman for life, does that change my position? no, I still think that they will surpass the United States at the current rate there going, may not be ideal but its a reality we are highly likely to face in the future.

More like Rural commune's falsifying results combined with the nationwide urge to 'surpass Britain' in steel production mixed with a bunch of natural disasters. Famines happened for centuries in china, with the most notable one prior happening in the late 1920s, I've said all that before anyhow. It's fascinating how there enthusiasm got themselves killed and also why would the CCP attempt to kill off the class were they had gained support from and came to power with largely peasant support. The Term pogrom implies anti Semitic nature, It's fascinating how out of control that got with the party essentially loosing control of all its major urban centres. The Party I'll say again is entrenched in Chinese society and I highly doubt its going away soon. (ignore that in 1964 they developed atomic weapons with no outside assistance)

I'd Expect Xi to do nothing, let the Chaos, unfold and then do a Tank man mark 2 if they face any serious opposition. There still is a way to impeach him if the party really wants too, the changes he made allow him to serve more than 2 terms in office, a little thing that was inlace since Maos death and, does not hold power like a despot as the west makes him out to be. If he f#cks up the politburo will shift him out. Nearly every leader of the CCP has been Booted out by the party, not death. this is inlace to prevent another Mao-like leader from arising.  

and if your naive enough to think everything would be flowers and rainbows under the Kuomintang, a reminder that things were just as crap under them with despot leaders and famines too.

Also if you Reply to this, Post here, this thread is off topic enough.

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11399271-0-asc-s75.htm
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm not going to bother saying anything else about the Chinese Communist Party - you know where I stand. The first bit of serious opposition to their agenda in the form of one Donald Trump will probably see the whole enterprise collapse in on itself - that's why I'm cheering Trump on, he might have the ultimate affect of getting rid of the corrupt oligarchy governing China at the moment.

Not everything Trump has done is good or noble - and he's certainly a very flawed human being. But the status quo couldn't be tolerated any longer and with regards to that he's been a breath of fresh air.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Not everything Trump has done is good or noble - and he's certainly a very flawed human being. But the status quo couldn't be tolerated any longer and with regards to that he's been a breath of fresh air.
don_dunstan
Make someone feel rather than think and you've won. They certainly have you pegged.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Make someone feel rather than think and you've won. They certainly have you pegged.
Groundrelay
Hey, I'm not the simpleton who has voted Labor their entire lives because they believe they stand for something.

They don't.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@DonDunstan If you consider a fart fresh air. His policies overwhelmingly favour the rich and large corporations and has placed members of his family and unqualified cronies into positions of power.

The only difference is that he whines about the press, a massive bigot, totally self absorbed and is 100 times the hypocrit of any other president. Trump flawed? That is an understatement Don.

Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
"Hypocrite" - not "hyporit"

President Trump confirms in a tweet that the Chinese government is massing troops on the Hong Kong border:

Our Intelligence has informed us that the Chinese Government is moving troops to the Border with Hong Kong. Everyone should be calm and safe!
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
"Hypocrite" - not "hyporit"

President Trump confirms in a tweet that the Chinese government is massing troops on the Hong Kong border:

Our Intelligence has informed us that the Chinese Government is moving troops to the Border with Hong Kong. Everyone should be calm and safe!
don_dunstan
unfortunately Don, that is the same "intelligence" that told us about weapons of mass destruction.
Probably true this time but who can really believe anything.

Twitter words tend to become self fulfilling these days.

cheers
John
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
There's already a garrison of 5000 PLA troops stationed in Hong Kong - has been for some considerable time.

There's no fooling Donald Razz
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Well at least Donald has achieved his goal in slowing down the Chinese economy.

And he can blame any recession on the Chinese. A win, win situation.

Nothing more to see here Laughing
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Thump may blink first. It's apparent he is backing off on upping tariffs so that US consumers aren't impacted leading into Christmas. No surprise he is blaming the Fed for the latest panic attack and he certainly doesn't want to have a re-election campaign in the midst of a recession he helped create.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-16/trump-could-lose-2020-election-if-the-economy-tanks/11420022?section=analysis

He'll start the fire then play the hero putting it out.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Thump may blink first. It's apparent he is backing off on upping tariffs so that US consumers aren't impacted leading into Christmas. No surprise he is blaming the Fed for the latest panic attack and he certainly doesn't want to have a re-election campaign in the midst of a recession he helped create.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-16/trump-could-lose-2020-election-if-the-economy-tanks/11420022?section=analysis

He'll start the fire then play the hero putting it out.
Groundrelay
As I said on the 'economy' thread I've heard that Trump is doing this to give US retailers a chance to source stuff from elsewhere. China is by no means the only supplier of stuff that ultimately ends up in landfill, it's a global market and lots of multinationals have been setting up shop away from China anyway.

Say what you like about Trump, he's not stupid. He's cunning and manipulative, he's thought this through.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Say what you like about Trump, he's not stupid. He's cunning and manipulative, he's thought this through.
don_dunstan
2.5 out of 4. He is impulsive. If only he thought through all his business ventures.

Doesn't matter as his rhetoric works with his base so long as his base continues to matter.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
It's been a big week for trump, First Denmark refuses to sell you Greenland, and now Your a 'protector of Israel'. Fascinating too how #disloyaljews is trending in USA, largely targeting Bernie Sanders.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I reckon Trump was right to call out Omar and Tlaib, but he's taking it way too far now.  He needs to take a break from Twitter and pull his head in.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I reckon Trump was right to call out Omar and Tlaib, but he's taking it way too far now.  He needs to take a break from Twitter and pull his head in.
Carnot

Yes how dare these brown skinned people question the Israeli occupation of the West Bank.

More ant-semitic than the British Labour party Razz
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

I reckon Trump was right to call out Omar and Tlaib, but he's taking it way too far now.  He needs to take a break from Twitter and pull his head in.
Carnot
Why is he right to call Omar and Talib and stating that they should leave? Trump has a massive problem with all women of colour. Fat Tosser!!

Michael
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Making America Great Again.....

US manufacturing activity has contracted sharply, recording its worst result in more than 10 years.
Somebody

Apparently it's all the fault of the elitists on Wall St and at the Fed Reserve........or is that because he hasn't the balls to admit to his army of followers from the great unwashed that capitalism is failing them?

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