It's the economy, stupid!

 
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Michael is going to go crook at me for saying this but Pauline's sincerity wins me over,
Sincerity is nothing on its own.  Con men and fraudsters sincerely want to get rich; the Ku Klux Klan sincerely beilieves in white supremacy, and one could go on.
mejhammers1 has it right - Hanson is a sincere bigot and racist.
Valvegear
People just like someone that pushes the blame on to the 'others'.

The Libs and labor Sincerely back the Rich and will seemingly do anything to make life better for them, if they stay in power. Neo Nazis Sincerely belief in White ethnostates and Genocide and so on.

Hanson her entire political Career has been sprouting this racist smeg, people ignoring her dated views on race and religion shows how ignorant the voter base of this nation really is.

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Michael is going to go crook at me for saying this but Pauline's sincerity wins me over,
Sincerity is nothing on its own.  Con men and fraudsters sincerely want to get rich; the Ku Klux Klan sincerely beilieves in white supremacy, and one could go on.
mejhammers1 has it right - Hanson is a sincere bigot and racist.
Valvegear
Neither of you have actually looked at what she does for the people of Queensland, black and white. Because you're both bigots, you've already made up your minds about her.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Australia is a maritime nation with long trading routes and we totally rely on the US to keep them safe. If we start withdrawing from alignment with the US, we need to start taking more responsibility.
Mr. Lane
This is one area on which I think we agree - I'd go even further and say that we should have paid more to keep some strategic elements of the manufacturing industry here just in case there's a blockade on the high seas as there was in WWII. Chifley and Menzies both agreed in the immediate aftermath of WWII that we were horribly unprepared for what happened and that we needed to have some strategic manufacturing on-shore to reduce our dependency if there were ever another blockade of the trade routes. We have forgotten all those lessons of history now, we seem to think we're infallible and that we can import everything we need anyway.

People like Dangerstan don't understand that without the ANZUS alliance we'd be at the mercy of the very rapidly expanding China (now building its fourth aircraft carrier), a country with extremely different political and legal systems to our own with a long-term strategic design on our region. Freedom is something that has to be fought for occasionally.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@DonDunstan Rather than call everyone who calls out a bigot and a racist, bigots why dont you

1. Actually provide evidence of what she has done. I bet it pales when compared to what Senitor Lambie has done for Tasmania.

2. Refute with evidence that 90% of her utterances have been about race.

For what she has said is bordering on white supremacy. And you know what Don you cant even deny it.

Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
@DonDunstan Rather than call everyone who calls out a bigot and a racist, bigots why dont you

1. Actually provide evidence of what she has done. I bet it pales when compared to what Senitor Lambie has done for Tasmania.

2. Refute with evidence that 90% of her utterances have been about race.

For what she has said is bordering on white supremacy. And you know what Don you cant even deny it.

Michael
mejhammers1
Nah Michael, I'm not the one who needs my bigotry de-programmed whereas you are the one with the blinkers on. You need to research Pauline yourself and tell us what you find.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@DonDunstan See Don you have got nothing as per usual. Evidence other than Hanson is not much more than a sincere racist bigot?

You may fall for her BS. I dont. And you Don are one of the most blinkered one eyed contributors there are so do not even go there.

Michael
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Australia is a maritime nation with long trading routes and we totally rely on the US to keep them safe. If we start withdrawing from alignment with the US, we need to start taking more responsibility.
This is one area on which I think we agree - I'd go even further and say that we should have paid more to keep some strategic elements of the manufacturing industry here just in case there's a blockade on the high seas as there was in WWII. Chifley and Menzies both agreed in the immediate aftermath of WWII that we were horribly unprepared for what happened and that we needed to have some strategic manufacturing on-shore to reduce our dependency if there were ever another blockade of the trade routes. We have forgotten all those lessons of history now, we seem to think we're infallible and that we can import everything we need anyway.

People like Dangerstan don't understand that without the ANZUS alliance we'd be at the mercy of the very rapidly expanding China (now building its fourth aircraft carrier), a country with extremely different political and legal systems to our own with a long-term strategic design on our region. Freedom is something that has to be fought for occasionally.
don_dunstan
You can thank the Neo-liberals of either party for that. Globalization 101. I think we can see eye to eye on that, the exportation of our industry is tragic and disastrous. But alas I doubt any party in parliament is willing to rebuild our industry and revitalise our economy and become self reliant again. Now for the next bit, that's bound to be contentious.

Oh mAh GoRd ThE cHiNeSe! They are going to invade! The hysteria here is off the charts!
All this alliance has ever done for us is just being dragged into whatever loosing war the USA has started next. Its only a matter of Time before China ultimately surpasses the USA in its military capabilities and a conflict arrives between the 2. Best to stay out of a brawl of Giants, The human cost of a possible war with china would be to great to bare for us. Be Careful what you wish for. An other Nation surpassing the USA as the Dominant force on the planet was bound to happen eventually, agree with it or not, the USA is not going to hold dominance over the world forever. We can go on or go down with them as a result of our blind devotion to them as our lapdogs, as your demonstrating now. Again @mejhammers1 nails it, your perception of this like pauline is blinked and one eyed. China unlike the USA has not exported its political system yet, it may happen but they still have an non interventionist foreign policy, for now.

Again I guess your just going to ignore my reply Rolling Eyes
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
DonDunstan See Don you have got nothing as per usual. Evidence other than Hanson is not much more than a sincere racist bigot?

You may fall for her BS. I dont. And you Don are one of the most blinkered one eyed contributors there are so do not even go there.

Michael
mejhammers1
Agreed 100 percent.

It's Standard Operating Procedure from old Don. Make a claim; when challenged, put the onus on the questioner to prove him wrong, instead of providing his evidence. He does this because he has no evidence.

(As an aside, if you want a giggle, watch Senator Hanson questioning Rear Admiral Greg Sammut about "propulsion-jet submarines.")
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Agreed 100 percent.

It's Standard Operating Procedure from old Don. Make a claim; when challenged, put the onus on the questioner to prove him wrong, instead of providing his evidence. He does this because he has no evidence.

(As an aside, if you want a giggle, watch Senator Hanson questioning Rear Admiral Greg Sammut about "propulsion-jet submarines.")
Valvegear
Yeah okay she's not the most eloquent politician but she does get things done - I've followed her Facebook page on and off for a while and she does a lot of travel though outback QLD and speaks to lots of people including the Aboriginal communities and she actually gets things done for people she meets with. Sometimes she lobbies Josh Frydenburg or Scott Morrison in person about pressing issues and I don't think she's shown any signs of being racist in the ways she deals with her electorate at all. I don't care that you and Michael aren't prepared to forgive her for all the dumb things she's said and done - I'm sure even she would own up to having said silly things in the past. So neither of you forgive people for things they've said - ever; okay noted.

It'll be interesting to see if Mark Latham can actually accomplish things in NSW too - it's really good to see senators like Pauline and Jacqui Lambie who do things for their electorates as opposed to (say) Sam Daystari, Kim Carr etc etc who seem to be more interested in championing favoritism towards a foreign power ... THEY who shall not be named! It's a wonder that's not banned there too ...
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
...

2. Refute with evidence that 90% of her utterances have been about race.

...

Michael
mejhammers1
Not my job.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Again I guess your just going to ignore my reply Rolling Eyes
Dangersdan707
Last point first. I do have a life outside this board! But you've got an inquisitive mind and I guess you're keen to chat with one of Railpage's leading intellectuals about the global political economy so I should be more generous with my time...
You can thank the Neo-liberals of either party for that. Globalization 101. I think we can see eye to eye on that, the exportation of our industry is tragic and disastrous. But alas I doubt any party in parliament is willing to rebuild our industry and revitalise our economy and become self reliant again.
Dangersdan707
It goes deeper than that - there should have been a comprehensive plan to keep the populace economically included at the end of forty years of neoliberalism but instead (and this is the really hilarious bit) the kicker is that the majority of the population all get to work for $10 an hour while the astronomical cost of housing and utilities keeps escalating. I'm not sure where you live in Australia but I'm seeing a lot more homelessness in my part of the nation recently - people who sleep in their cars at supermarket car-parks after dark. Edge of the wedge kinda thing.

But that's just another consequence of winding down all the last protections against exploitation first gained in Australia by the union movement in the 1890's. We haven't really had mass urban poverty in this country since the 1950's when the last of the Dickensian conditions that existed in Sydney and Melbourne (mostly) were cleared away by the Housing Commission; I think in time we'll just get accustomed to stepping over the homeless here in urban OZ like they do in the United States (especially San Fransciso by all accounts), diabolical poverty will just become normalised. That's your neoliberalism end game.
Oh mAh GoRd ThE cHiNeSe! They are going to invade! The hysteria here is off the charts! All this alliance has ever done for us is just being dragged into whatever loosing war the USA has started next. Its only a matter of Time before China ultimately surpasses the USA in its military capabilities and a conflict arrives between the 2. Best to stay out of a brawl of Giants, The human cost of a possible war with china would be to great to bare for us. Be Careful what you wish for. An other Nation surpassing the USA as the Dominant force on the planet was bound to happen eventually, agree with it or not, the USA is not going to hold dominance over the world forever. We can go on or go down with them as a result of our blind devotion to them as our lapdogs, as your demonstrating now. Again @mejhammers1 nails it, your perception of this like pauline is blinked and one eyed. China unlike the USA has not exported its political system yet, it may happen but they still have an non interventionist foreign policy, for now.
Dangersdan707
Again, you people don't have historical perspective, we could well have been surrendered to yet another dictatorship had the cards not fallen the way they did. Anyone on this board who knows me would recall my (late) grandmother's tale about air raid drills in Melbourne during the war and having burnt grand-dad's dinner because the all-clear hand't come.

We were in absolute, diabolical mortal danger as a nation. We would have been subjected to (potentially) the absolutely genocidal rein of the Japanese as evidenced by their earlier genocides in Manchuria. That might have well happened to us you realise.

There is no threat of a hot war with THEY WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED yet but they've committed a very many hostile acts against Australian universities, business and the government itself yet there seems to be a consistent tone in the way that we deal with it which is that the perpetrator is always just some 'foreign power'. ANU's entire student database for many years was stolen by a 'foreign entity' - whatever happened about that? THEY SHALL NOT BE NAMED!

Now tell me that an Anglosphere, the shining light of liberty, progress and equality for the entire world where people are still prepared to get onto leaky boats in the hope of getting into - is long term compatible with a system where there is no rule of law, there are a million plus people in concentration camps, do I really have to spell out what's going on? Can't talk about them you know, even ANU is too frightened to name them!

Read history, liberty is a very short-term thing, generally people live under oppression usually by some sort of dictatorship (religious or political) - sometimes you need to defend your freedoms and your system. Maybe we should start with naming THEY WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED!
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
The tech entrepreneur and multi-millionaire blames the deterioration of Australian manufacturing output on what he calls an ancient education system where overachieving students are pushed into medicine and law while participation in electrical engineering and computer science dwindles.
I work in IT and this is 100% spot on. Australian's don't want to work in engineering fields, they want to do fluffy "social" professions like Law, Management Consulting and Recruitment.

Go to any IT company today...Management and HR are white, IT techs are a mix of local Chinese and the odd white dude or Arab guy, the programming team is about 80% Indian with Permanent Residency or Visa with the rest being Pilipino and 1 or 2 Eastern Euro guys. QA Team...100% Indian.

Not saying its bad...it works pretty well. But local citizens are cutting themselves out of all of these jobs, instead getting Arts degrees so they can work as baristas.
Do we end up paying lower wages because we have access to imported labour? Yes. Would the business be viable if we were forced to hire locals? No.

Would we hire more locals if more graduates were available that had relevant skills? Yes. Are locals not doing computer sciences because they feel their job prospects will be undercut by imported labour...maybe, but I doubt it.
Mr. Lane
You have concisely described what is wrong with corporate Australia.

Whinge about a lack of skilled locals, but refuse to actually train them, instead seeking to hire low cost versions from overseas off-the-shelf.

And, treating workers as an expense rather than as an investment.

Talk about crapping in your own nest!
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
treating workers as an expense rather than as an investment.
DirtyBallast
One of my biggest pet hates. I have friends who are or have been local businessmen. All they ever do/did is to whinge about what a pain their employees are/were. I'm glad I didn't work for them.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@don_dunstan How is the forgiveness for Greta Thunberg who you called a precocious little snot or words to that effect and Jacinda Ahern.

Hanson's whole sorry career has been about dogwhistle politics punctuated with a few instances of concern regarding farmers. Sl


Hanson is not a teenager. She is 65 for crying out loud. As Maya Angelou says the first time they show you who they are belive them. Once a racist and a bigot always a racist and a bigot.

Michael
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Last point first. I do have a life outside this board! But you've got an inquisitive mind and I guess you're keen to chat with one of Railpage's leading intellectuals about the global political economy so I should be more generous with my time...
don_dunstan
Yes, that is correct. You to value a good debate on all things on the world stage, even with you, despite how we disagree on many things. Being inquisitive and desiring to suck up as much knowledge as possible is in my character. We all do have lives to go back to you of this place, but alas and onto the topic at hand!



It goes deeper than that - there should have been a comprehensive plan to keep the populace economically included at the end of forty years of neoliberalism but instead (and this is the really hilarious bit) the kicker is that the majority of the population all get to work for $10 an hour while the astronomical cost of housing and utilities keeps escalating. I'm not sure where you live in Australia but I'm seeing a lot more homelessness in my part of the nation recently - people who sleep in their cars at supermarket car-parks after dark. Edge of the wedge kinda thing. But that's just another consequence of winding down all the last protections against exploitation first gained in Australia by the union movement in the 1890's. We haven't really had mass urban poverty in this country since the 1950's when the last of the Dickensian conditions that existed in Sydney and Melbourne (mostly) were cleared away by the Housing Commission; I think in time we'll just get accustomed to stepping over the homeless here in urban OZ like they do in the United States (especially San Fransciso by all accounts), diabolical poverty will just become normalised. That's your neoliberalism end game.
Don_dunstan


correct indeed and I agree with what your saying but we both view it as a result of differing reasoning. I Entirely agree with your disgust of that economic liberalization has done to this country with Privatization and so one. I personally view It to be as a result in the inherit exploitative nature of capitalism serving the elites, but alas that's off topic and I don't wish to open that can of worms ATM. The Prices are a result of Stagnating wages as we all know and the governments failure to raise them or implement price controls.
Don, if you got to the Melbourne CBD in this day and age (I occasionally do when I have to) or at times rural centers Homelessness is rampart. Its one of the most depressing things about this country, all so desperate and eyes full of hopelessness and despair. So many reasons  for this enigma of a problem, Lack of investment in public housing and family abuse. Its Just Downright Depressing. The union movement in my eyes has also become a tool of control and normalization of worker exploitation and abuse in this country, like the Labor party has, Sellouts. Selling their ideals and base for corporate support of their governments in the Hawke Era.
I Entirely agree with you on this but I do belief its a result of the inherit Characteristics of Capitalism, exacerbated by being more Laissez-Fair, rather than planned and controlled as it formerly was.


Again, you people don't have historical perspective, we could well have been surrendered to yet another dictatorship had the cards not fallen the way they did. Anyone on this board who knows me would recall my (late) grandmother's tale about air raid drills in Melbourne during the war and having burnt grand-dad's dinner because the all-clear hand't come. We were in absolute, diabolical mortal danger as a nation. We would have been subjected to (potentially) the absolutely genocidal rein of the Japanese as evidenced by their earlier genocides in Manchuria. That might have well happened to us you realise. There is no threat of a hot war with THEY WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED yet but they've committed a very many hostile acts against Australian universities, business and the government itself yet there seems to be a consistent tone in the way that we deal with it which is that the perpetrator is always just some 'foreign power'. ANU's entire student database for many years was stolen by a 'foreign entity' - whatever happened about that? THEY SHALL NOT BE NAMED! Now tell me that an Anglosphere, the shining light of liberty, progress and equality for the entire world where people are still prepared to get onto leaky boats in the hope of getting into - is long term compatible with a system where there is no rule of law, there are a million plus people in concentration camps, do I really have to spell out what's going on? Can't talk about them you know, even ANU is too frightened to name them! Read history, liberty is a very short-term thing, generally people live under oppression usually by some sort of dictatorship (religious or political) - sometimes you need to defend your freedoms and your system. Maybe we should start with naming THEY WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED!
Don_dunstan


The Japanese Ironically were toppled as a result of the sudden Soviet Invasion of Manchuria, so much for tyranny then. Also Japan was not a Fascist dictatorship like you are characterizing, it was a militaristic Nationalistic democracy. Based on how the Japanese treated the Europeans in there occupied territories I think we'd not be treated to poorly. Calling Japan a dictatorship is very extreme. At times it sounds like a government you'd have liked. The Japanese High Command did not seriously consider a full scale invasion of Australia to be practical or necessary at all, the bombings were to maim us and damage military installations. They Had the Idea of capturing PNG as part of their massive defensive wall to protect their sphere of influence over south East Asia and the Pacific. The Idea of an invasion? just to drum up moral in the masses. Committing to invading was impractical and unnecessary.
Fear mongering 'the others' classic strategy.

Foreign Powers for Years have meddled in our affairs in attempts to bring us over into their spheres of influence, this is nothing new. The Most substantial example would be the Whitlam government being ousted by the Yanks and the Poms, something we still don't know the full extent of to this day as a result of pushing back against American policy of the era. Undoubtably we should try to curb all foreign interference in this country but I fear that doing so would be one-sided, going only against Chinese influence rather than the accepted American Influence. The Hypocrisy and xenophobia in eradicating it would be massive.

Don, I have criticized the CCP and their actions many times on this board as you'd be aware (or perhaps not), but you really are in full McCarthyist like hysteria when mentioning the PRC. Lol at one stage you called me a Chinese Bot FFS.
You're starting to remind me of all things the Harry Potter series by not naming China, treating it like a lord Voldemort type figure of 'you know who'. Not naming 'THEY WHO SHALL NO BE NAMED' makes you sound McCarthyist, Paranoid and hysterical about this, making you look like a fringe nut job, not that you are one.
The Liberty you Name is only subservient to the elites of society and is easily manipulated by them to serve their interests in society. You seem to be Contradicting your self here claim freedom needs to be fought for but also claiming a hot war with china is off the cards. Hmm its confusing.
The Refuges are coming here as they are persecuted politicly and economically, its an utter disgrace that we lock them in Near Concentration camps In Nauru. Im surprised your promoting this, I thought you'd be all for stop the boats. Your Quite the enigma Don at times.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
@don_dunstan How is the forgiveness for Greta Thunberg who you called a precocious little snot or words to that effect and Jacinda Ahern.

Hanson's whole sorry career has been about dogwhistle politics punctuated with a few instances of concern regarding farmers. Sl


Hanson is not a teenager. She is 65 for crying out loud. As Maya Angelou says the first time they show you who they are belive them. Once a racist and a bigot always a racist and a bigot.

Michael
mejhammers1
There is no comparison between some precocious media attention seeking girl from Sweden, the New Zealand Prime Minister and Pauline Hanson. I really don't care about Greta, I think she's being manipulated by the adults around her anyway.

Michael, I really don't care what you think of Pauline Hanson or your jihad against people you perceive as morally inferior - you're not going to convince me that she's a bad person so just give up.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
...

I Entirely agree with you on this but I do belief its a result of the inherit Characteristics of Capitalism, exacerbated by being more Laissez-Fair, rather than planned and controlled as it formerly was.
Dangersdan707

Even Menzies was a planned economy socialist by comparison. Laissez-faire doesn't work, or at least I don't think Australians would be comfortable with the outcomes. Something has to give, and it will probably be sooner rather than later. We can't have a successful national economy of 25 million people based on selling houses, haircuts and coffees to one another, it's not productive and we can't export it.

Agree Hawke and Keating were the grubs who lied to the Australian populace and bought initiated this Thatcherite misery; why the Labor Party still venerates those two is beyond me.
...I think we'd not be treated to poorly. Calling Japan a dictatorship is very extreme. At times it sounds like a government you'd have liked. The Japanese High Command did not seriously consider a full scale invasion of Australia to be practical or necessary at all, the bombings were to maim us and damage military installations.
Dangersdan707
They printed invasion money, if it hadn't been for their huge loss at Midway they would have probably proceeded with it. And on the basis of what happened in China we can't assume they wouldn't genocide us too, that's just naive.
...

Don, I have criticized the CCP and their actions many times on this board as you'd be aware (or perhaps not), but you really are in full McCarthyist like hysteria when mentioning the PRC. Lol at one stage you called me a Chinese Bot FFS.
You're starting to remind me of all things the Harry Potter series by not naming China, treating it like a lord Voldemort type figure of 'you know who'. Not naming 'THEY WHO SHALL NO BE NAMED' makes you sound McCarthyist, Paranoid and hysterical about this, making you look like a fringe nut job, not that you are one.
Dangersdan707
You, like most people, have been fooled into thinking this situation does not represent an existential threat to our democracy. The emergency is very real and very dangerous and the problem is that we have apologists being paid off in the Labor Party (in particular) to try and lull us into a false sense of security about the takeover of a foreign national power, as if its an inevitable thing and we just have to get used to it.

My Harry Potter reference is real and valid; the Chinese Communist Party are already controlling the language that we can use in relation to them so that any reference to opposition forces or human rights results in instant sanction from them (LeBron James, South Park). If that's not sleepwalking into an Orwellian nightmare then I don't know what is. Then the recent footage from Four Corners of anti-communist protesters being beaten up by pro-communists on the University of Queensland campus - don't say anything bad about the CCP or we'll come after you even here in Australia where you can't rely on the government to protect you from persecution.

Absolutely, positively terrifying. Are we really going to allow these intolerant thugs to operate with impunity in this country just because of our trade relationship? Remember that Nazi Germany had its sympathisers here in Australia during the thirties and that we were told by many people that we should embrace their peaceful albeit autocratic ways.

Incidentally there's no comparison between the necessary incarceration of a few thousand country-shopping 'refugees' and the mass imprisonment of 1.5 million Muslims in 're-education' camps; no independent judiciary, no rule of law. If you really think (like Bob Carr) that we should be welcoming with open arms an oppressive totalitarian regime absolutely incompatible with our system then that's your opinion.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
You have concisely described what is wrong with corporate Australia.

Whinge about a lack of skilled locals, but refuse to actually train them, instead seeking to hire low cost versions from overseas off-the-shelf.

And, treating workers as an expense rather than as an investment.

Talk about crapping in your own nest!
DirtyBallast
If there's a real and genuine shortage of domestic IT workers then we have a really serious problem with the vocational training system.

But according to my manager friend that's not the problem: The problem is that people on 482 visas don't give a damn about being underpaid and doing unpaid overtime - that's the bottom line - and that's why employers insist on using them.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@don_dunstan Don geez you have tickets on yourself. I am not trying to convince you at all. You are the one trying to convince me that she is a good politician and I should forgive her.

You think she is great, good. I think she is a bigoted, racist old crone.

Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
@don_dunstan Don geez you have tickets on yourself. I am not trying to convince you at all. You are the one trying to convince me that she is a good politician and I should forgive her.

You think she is great, good. I think she is a bigoted, racist old crone.

Michael
mejhammers1
Well every single time I mention Pauline you go off on your tired old Pauline script... pretty much every single time. I don't comment on what Pauline's done in the past, I'm focused on what she's doing right now.

Again, forget what she's done in the past (Maya Angelou? Please). just forget about what they've done and focus on what they're doing.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@don_dunstan Are you crying? Why do you care. You like her, good  She is suddenly going to have an epiphany, really. I cannot stand the racist old crone.


Michael
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Just saying

"We never had enough troops to . We had already far out-stretched our lines of communication. We did not have the armed strength or the supply facilities to mount such a terrific extension of our already over-strained and too thinly spread forces. We expected to occupy all New Guinea, to maintain Rabaul as a holding base, and to raid Northern Australia by air. But actual physical invasion—no, at no time."

Hideki Tojo,

Former PM of Japan, 17-Oct-41 to 22-Jul-44.
Former Minister for War, 22 July 1940 – 22 July 1944.
Former Chief of the Imperial Japanese Army General Staff Office, 21 February 1944 – 18 July 1944.

Exert from his last interview prior to be executed by hanging for war crimes including the deaths of 5m people under his rule.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Just saying

"We never had enough troops to . We had already far out-stretched our lines of communication. We did not have the armed strength or the supply facilities to mount such a terrific extension of our already over-strained and too thinly spread forces. We expected to occupy all New Guinea, to maintain Rabaul as a holding base, and to raid Northern Australia by air. But actual physical invasion—no, at no time."

Hideki Tojo,

Former PM of Japan, 17-Oct-41 to 22-Jul-44.
Former Minister for War, 22 July 1940 – 22 July 1944.
Former Chief of the Imperial Japanese Army General Staff Office, 21 February 1944 – 18 July 1944.

Exert from his last interview prior to be executed by hanging for war crimes including the deaths of 5m people under his rule.
RTT_Rules
The Japanese were cruel bastards during 2nd WW and treated our troops captured in Singapore like dogs. They were worked to death on the Burma Railroad and my father was among them that came back and died of his treatment at the hands of these mongrels. I will not hesitate to call out anybody that claims the Japs were not too bad.

I do not hold any grudge against the present Japanese people as they have an entirely different attitude these days. Actually, I quite like them.

As for Pauline, she is an A grade dill and a totally ignorant pile of dog poo. She is also ugly. In fact I cannot think of one thing pleasant about her. Every time I see her I want to throw up. Don, liking the fish and chip shop owner as much as you do proves what a nasty bigoted stupid person you are. I wish you would both disappear off this earth.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Just saying

"We never had enough troops to . We had already far out-stretched our lines of communication. We did not have the armed strength or the supply facilities to mount such a terrific extension of our already over-strained and too thinly spread forces. We expected to occupy all New Guinea, to maintain Rabaul as a holding base, and to raid Northern Australia by air. But actual physical invasion—no, at no time."

Hideki Tojo,

Former PM of Japan, 17-Oct-41 to 22-Jul-44.
Former Minister for War, 22 July 1940 – 22 July 1944.
Former Chief of the Imperial Japanese Army General Staff Office, 21 February 1944 – 18 July 1944.

Exert from his last interview prior to be executed by hanging for war crimes including the deaths of 5m people under his rule.
The Japanese were cruel bastards during 2nd WW and treated our troops captured in Singapore like dogs. They were worked to death on the Burma Railroad and my father was among them that came back and died of his treatment at the hands of these mongrels. I will not hesitate to call out anybody that claims the Japs were not too bad.

I do not hold any grudge against the present Japanese people as they have an entirely different attitude these days. Actually, I quite like them.

As for Pauline, she is an A grade dill and a totally ignorant pile of dog poo. She is also ugly. In fact I cannot think of one thing pleasant about her. Every time I see her I want to throw up. Don, liking the fish and chip shop owner as much as you do proves what a nasty bigoted stupid person you are. I wish you would both disappear off this earth.
nswtrains
Yep, which is why Tojo and a bunch of his team were arrested, interviewed for 3 years and then hung. I must admit I'm not entirely convinced execution is best outcome as once they are gone you can never get anything from them again. Tojo did try to kill himself as he was being arrested, fortunately he wasn't a good shot the US troops got a medic quickly. After Tojo they always had a Medic with them. Had he died we wouldn't have the quote above.

Still could be worse, the German high command hung their own from a wire to make sure they felt every bit of it.

Every adult German in the area of Munich and I'm sure other areas was marched through the death camps before any bodies were removed after Germany surrendered. Not sure what the Japanese civilians had to injure.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Don, liking the fish and chip shop owner as much as you do proves what a nasty bigoted stupid person you are. I wish you would both disappear off this earth.
nswtrains

You're still hurting because I told you that $100,000 p/a was a completely ridiculous sum of money to pay a customer service officer.

And think about what you're actually saying here: I won't condemn Pauline so I'm a "nasty, bigoted, stupid person".

Get a grip.

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