It's the economy, stupid!

 
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Don v RTT; fifteen three-minute rounds before a packed house.
My God, really? Don't you people have lives!
don_dunstan
Don,
Valvegear is basically highlighting that you cannot continue a debate without at some stage going personal especially when you are on the back foot. You do it over and over again and again. Its the reason why I take time out from this forum at various times rather than return fire. I have no interest in personal attacks, nor do I care if I'm winning or not. I enjoy a discussion, I like to learn and I like to be corrected.

In the past you'd made stupid comments including even wishing for me to be sacked for supposedly posting on RP during work hours but you don't even know when I work or my employment condition. I wonder if you even know the standard business hours of the UAE. In the past I've thrown in back at you and gone personal and made references to Adelaide and you clearly didn't like it. Rather than again do the same I have since then stated to you multiple times if you don't like, then don't give it.

Hence I will not comment further on your other posts until you delete the personal crap.

For the record there are two strong reasons we continue to live in Dubai apart from "we want too"

1) For my wifes ongoing cancer treatment (now cured but ongoing monitoring for the 5 year critical period), her (Australian) employer is excellent in supporting and has top end medical insurance. Her Cancer diagnosis came on the exact same day she was offered an unsolicited senior role in Brisbane, National Technical Manager for (NOYFB).

2) My youngest son has a few issues for which he is able to get therapy and support through the school and conveniently out of hours. When we were planning to move back in 2016, its likely this would have prevented both of us from working full time as few if any Aussie schools have such internal support.

As for going home I've seen a number of Aussie and other Nationals return to or migrate to Australia and general not had too great an issue over last 4 years although short term employment is for some the only option for a year or so until you build an Australian based reference list, especially if no previously employment in Oz.

Over to you....

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Don,
Valvegear is basically highlighting that you cannot continue a debate without at some stage going personal especially when you are on the back foot. You do it over and over again and again. Its the reason why I take time out from this forum at various times rather than return fire. I have no interest in personal attacks, nor do I care if I'm winning or not. I enjoy a discussion, I like to learn and I like to be corrected.
RTT_Rules

Shane - okay let's take a step back here.

I really have had scant knowledge of your personal life other than what you do in your job and your time living in Dubai - and to be honest I'm sorry to hear about all that stuff with your family but it has nothing at all to do with what we're chatting about here on Railpage.

My insinuation that you should move back to Australia is strictly in the context of the fact that you love talking the Aussie economy up and yet -
  • You don't live here and haven't lived here for some time
  • Like a lot of ex-pats that I know you make noises about eventually wanting to move back here as an excuse to have an opinion but there's a good chance that you might end up retiring somewhere else.
So you can imagine that your pot-shots at my decision to reside here in unemployment central (AKA Adelaide) also stings with me. It's true that we're almost the urban epicentre of all the current problems with the Aussie economy but for your information I love living in South Australia and I don't want to live anywhere else - this place has a lot of shortcomings sure but its more than made up for with beautiful weather, fantastic clean beaches, cheaper cost of living and almost no traffic issues. I've forgone some work opportunities to move here but frankly I wouldn't want to live in Sydney and Melbourne even if I was being paid six figures - Melbourne in particular has become a really horribly bloated, congested, disparate, uncaring place and I don't like it any more. Certainly couldn't live there again.

There's nothing I hate more than people heaping sh*t on this place, especially ex-pats who come back from Europe or the United States and comment on how 'quaint' we are here and how they'd just love to live here again but there's just not enough night-life or the sort of big-time work opportunities or whatever the frig these people want. Are you beginning to understand now how you've equally been getting up noses with advising us what we should be doing with our cities and our nation when there's a good chance you'll never live here again anyway?

Doing that is patronising to the people who have spent their entire lives here and have the most stake in the place and you should reflect on that.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

It's hard being expat, I was in Holland in 96 when we lost Keating and the CES , Mum mailed the age so  i could read about a  women called Pauline Hanson. It was the end of the Australia I left in 95. Soon it's 2020 and some people are very rich some people are rich and everyweek someone moves into Poverty town. Expats live in the bubble of nostalgia like our Prime Minister likes blowing bubbles.at us.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
In the past you'd made stupid comments including even wishing for me to be sacked for supposedly posting on RP during work hours but you don't even know when I work or my employment condition. I wonder if you even know the standard business hours of the UAE. In the past I've thrown in back at you and gone personal and made references to Adelaide and you clearly didn't like it. Rather than again do the same I have since then stated to you multiple times if you don't like, then don't give it.
RTT_Rules
I knew all about your work situation because you told us here on Railpage that you posting during work hours but that you were also discreet about it because you were worried that there was an Indian ex-pat who was after your job and would dob you in to get you sacked.

You told us that - and then you have the temerity to get angry at me because I remembered exactly what you said and told you to watch your back, especially after your really long, rambling diatribes which had obviously been posted from work as you said you do.

If you don't want me to remember things about you then don't tell me in the first place, I've got an excellent memory for individual people's stories.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Chinese Communist Party orders all state and private businesses to remove all foreign software and hardware from their business systems by 2022 as part of a purge of all things western. From the Financial Times:

Beijing has ordered all government offices and public institutions to remove foreign computer equipment and software within three years, in a potential blow to the likes of HP, Dell and Microsoft.

The directive is the first publicly known instruction with specific targets given to Chinese buyers to switch to domestic technology vendors, and echoes efforts by the Trump administration to curb the use of Chinese technology in the US and its allies.

In other news the Bank for International Settlements has named Australian households as the world's second-most indebted (again) after Switzerland - our households spend 131% of everything they earn. This is not new news unfortunately - we have been that way for some time now.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The Holden Commodore is getting axed (as predicted):
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/confirmed-holden-commodore-axed-iconic-nameplate-to-disappear-as-brand-focuses-on-suvs-and

Astra going too.  So it's all just Utes and SUVs....
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

The Holden Commodore is getting axed (as predicted):
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/confirmed-holden-commodore-axed-iconic-nameplate-to-disappear-as-brand-focuses-on-suvs-and

Astra going too.  So it's all just Utes and SUVs....
Carnot
Hanging on to my rare V8 Adventura. Only made 2500?
Always garaged, never pranged, under 90000km.
May be worth some cash one day.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Holden Commodore is getting axed (as predicted):
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/confirmed-holden-commodore-axed-iconic-nameplate-to-disappear-as-brand-focuses-on-suvs-and

Astra going too.  So it's all just Utes and SUVs....
Carnot
After lunch I got an excited phone call from a friend of mine who congratulated me on predicting its demise a few weeks ago - I'm also predicting they'll kill the Australian remnant badge now too and call it "Chevrolet"... might as well.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Holden Commodore is getting axed (as predicted):
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/confirmed-holden-commodore-axed-iconic-nameplate-to-disappear-as-brand-focuses-on-suvs-and

Astra going too.  So it's all just Utes and SUVs....
Hanging on to my rare V8 Adventura. Only made 2500?
Always garaged, never pranged, under 90000km.
May be worth some cash one day.
michaelgm
There's a lot of people saying "good bye good riddance" to the imported Commodore on Twitter; your Aussie car sounds like a pretty thirsty version of the Commodore but nevertheless someone out there will love it.

I've got a mate looking for a 1987-88 Holden Calais Commodore, a dream car from his child-hood, and he says the prices as astronomical - $25,000 and above.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The Holden Commodore is getting axed (as predicted):
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/confirmed-holden-commodore-axed-iconic-nameplate-to-disappear-as-brand-focuses-on-suvs-and

Astra going too.  So it's all just Utes and SUVs....
Hanging on to my rare V8 Adventura. Only made 2500?
Always garaged, never pranged, under 90000km.
May be worth some cash one day.
There's a lot of people saying "good bye good riddance" to the imported Commodore on Twitter; your Aussie car sounds like a pretty thirsty version of the Commodore but nevertheless someone out there will love it.

I've got a mate looking for a 1987-88 Holden Calais Commodore, a dream car from his child-hood, and he says the prices as astronomical - $25,000 and above.
don_dunstan
$25,000 for a car that was built out of the front of an Opal Admiral, tacked onto Opal Commodore from the A post back and with an antiquated Yankee motor shoe horned into it. You are kidding. Garbage from day 1. Holden should just fade away.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I've got a mate looking for a 1987-88 Holden Calais Commodore, a dream car from his child-hood, and he says the prices as astronomical - $25,000 and above.
don_dunstan

"How good is Australia!"
ScoMo.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Holden Commodore is getting axed (as predicted):
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/confirmed-holden-commodore-axed-iconic-nameplate-to-disappear-as-brand-focuses-on-suvs-and

Astra going too.  So it's all just Utes and SUVs....
Hanging on to my rare V8 Adventura. Only made 2500?
Always garaged, never pranged, under 90000km.
May be worth some cash one day.
There's a lot of people saying "good bye good riddance" to the imported Commodore on Twitter; your Aussie car sounds like a pretty thirsty version of the Commodore but nevertheless someone out there will love it.

I've got a mate looking for a 1987-88 Holden Calais Commodore, a dream car from his child-hood, and he says the prices as astronomical - $25,000 and above.
$25,000 for a car that was built out of the front of an Opal Admiral, tacked onto Opal Commodore from the A post back and with an antiquated Yankee motor shoe horned into it. You are kidding. Garbage from day 1. Holden should just fade away.
nswtrains
Well obviously some people feel as though its a symbol of a once great nation gone by... can you blame them for being sentimental about what we once were? Look at us now - can't even make bricks or aluminium any more.
  SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

nswtrains

Not sure where you're getting your information from but the Australian VL Commodore had the Nissan 3.0 litre 6 cylinder motor, NZ had the 2.0 litre variant, in them and they were far superior to any 6 cylinder motor the Commodore had had before then.
The V8 motor was Australian built, not American.
The Australian V8 motor wasn't phased out until 1999, when they went to the imported GM V8.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

nswtrains

Not sure where you're getting your information from but the Australian VL Commodore had the Nissan 3.0 litre 6 cylinder motor, NZ had the 2.0 litre variant, in them and they were far superior to any 6 cylinder motor the Commodore had had before then.
The V8 motor was Australian built, not American.
The Australian V8 motor wasn't phased out until 1999, when they went to the imported GM V8.
SAR520SMBH
The 3 litre Nissan motor was almost identical to that fitted to the skyline. The VL suffered from the occasional cracked head, skyline didn't. IIRC the difference was that the inlet/outlet ports for the heater were in different locations.
A co-worker had a skyline and he drove it like a race car, everywhere all time. It was indestructible. So impressed I bought one myself.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

nswtrains

Not sure where you're getting your information from but the Australian VL Commodore had the Nissan 3.0 litre 6 cylinder motor, NZ had the 2.0 litre variant, in them and they were far superior to any 6 cylinder motor the Commodore had had before then.
The V8 motor was Australian built, not American.
The Australian V8 motor wasn't phased out until 1999, when they went to the imported GM V8.
The 3 litre Nissan motor was almost identical to that fitted to the skyline. The VL suffered from the occasional cracked head, skyline didn't. IIRC the difference was that the inlet/outlet ports for the heater were in different locations.
A co-worker had a skyline and he drove it like a race car, everywhere all time. It was indestructible. So impressed I bought one myself.
michaelgm
I owned two of them.  Brilliant cars.  My extended family has a long affinity with Japanese 6 cylinder sedans...  Toyota Crowns, Corona Mk2, Cressida, Skylines, Magna VR-X, Mitsubishi 380s (yes, Aussie built like the R31 Skyline and very underrated).
  SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

michaelgm

Yeah I reckon it was the radiator that caused the issue in the VL Commodore.
It was lower in relation to the motor than it was in the R31 Skyline and it caused airlock issues in the cooling system if it wasn't bleed properly which in turn resulted in overheating and the head cracking/warping.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Skylines and Pintaras are hugely in fashion, you see young guys with hotted up Skylines around Adelaide. Magnas and 380's the same, considering it's been over a decade since the last 380 rolled off the line there's a huge number of those Australian-built Mitsubishis still on the road - testimony to how well constructed and durable they really were.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Skylines and Pintaras are hugely in fashion, you see young guys with hotted up Skylines around Adelaide. Magnas and 380's the same, considering it's been over a decade since the last 380 rolled off the line there's a huge number of those Australian-built Mitsubishis still on the road - testimony to how well constructed and durable they really were.
don_dunstan
Over 80% of Mitsu 380s built are still registered.  This website gives an idea on how many cars of each type are still registered:
https://carsafe.com.au/risk-rating
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Another one bites the dust.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/harris-scarfe-department-chain-in-receivership-in-horror-year-for-retailers-20191211-p53iy8.html
lkernan
I heard this just after lunch, they have a very heavy presence in South Australia due to having been established here. Retail is crook all over, treading water despite the rapid population growth.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Another one bites the dust.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/harris-scarfe-department-chain-in-receivership-in-horror-year-for-retailers-20191211-p53iy8.html
lkernan
Oh, I love Harris Scarfe! Always visit when we are in the vicinity of one and have picked up some great bargains.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Another one bites the dust.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/harris-scarfe-department-chain-in-receivership-in-horror-year-for-retailers-20191211-p53iy8.html
Oh, I love Harris Scarfe! Always visit when we are in the vicinity of one and have picked up some great bargains.
Graham4405
TO be honest I thought the merchandise quality was much better than K-mart or Big-W but the pricing was confusing. I bought new Sheridan towels from the one at Tea Tree Plaza a few months ago and I had to find a staff member to tell me how much they were because there was no clear pricing.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The YMs and I are/were? also customers at Harris Scarfe over the years but, like Don, was often confused by their pricing.
I also agree that their goods were better than K-Mart or Big W generally speaking. The shops and products certainly suited me better.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
[Well obviously some people feel as though its a symbol of a once great nation gone by... can you blame them for being sentimental about what we once were? Look at us now - can't even make bricks or aluminium any more.
don_dunstan
The same people who didn't buy the cars made here? Stores going bust, blame the people who don't shop there.

Australia's always been a lucky country in terms of resources and geographic location but the rest of the world keeps moving on and eventually luck is not enough.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
[Well obviously some people feel as though its a symbol of a once great nation gone by... can you blame them for being sentimental about what we once were? Look at us now - can't even make bricks or aluminium any more.
The same people who didn't buy the cars made here? Stores going bust, blame the people who don't shop there.

Australia's always been a lucky country in terms of resources and geographic location but the rest of the world keeps moving on and eventually luck is not enough.
Groundrelay
No one owes you a living (I heard that somewhere).

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