It's the economy, stupid!

 
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Stores going bust, blame the people who don't shop there.
Groundrelay
I'd shop at Harris Scarfe much more often if the closest one wasn't ~200km away! But in general we just have too many retailers competing for our dollar. Walk through any shopping mall in Australia (or probably the world) and calculate the percentage of women's clothing outlets, then add on all the other shops that carry women's clothes (Big W, K-Mart, Myer et al). A woman can only buy and wear so many clothes. Oh wait... Wink

The above is somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I also have more clothes than I know what to do with and I'm most definitely male! But there are many less men's clothing outlets...

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
[Well obviously some people feel as though its a symbol of a once great nation gone by... can you blame them for being sentimental about what we once were? Look at us now - can't even make bricks or aluminium any more.
The same people who didn't buy the cars made here? Stores going bust, blame the people who don't shop there.

Australia's always been a lucky country in terms of resources and geographic location but the rest of the world keeps moving on and eventually luck is not enough.
Groundrelay
So do you think you're ready for us to be a South Africa, Mexico or a Brazil, where the majority of the population are poor and leading a hand-to-mouth existence and the few people with money have to erect 10-foot fences and barbed-wire to keep the poor out? That's clearly where we're headed.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Stores going bust, blame the people who don't shop there.
I'd shop at Harris Scarfe much more often if the closest one wasn't ~200km away! But in general we just have too many retailers competing for our dollar. Walk through any shopping mall in Australia (or probably the world) and calculate the percentage of women's clothing outlets, then add on all the other shops that carry women's clothes (Big W, K-Mart, Myer et al). A woman can only buy and wear so many clothes. Oh wait... Wink

The above is somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I also have more clothes than I know what to do with and I'm most definitely male! But there are many less men's clothing outlets...
Graham4405
People aren't spending money because there's been eight years (count 'em) with private sector wages tracking below inflation. It's really significant and it keeps being ignored by all sides of politics because they don't want to acknowledge the reality that two decades of turbo-charged mass-migration combined with the dismantling of the union movement has led to falling living standards. The off-shoring of manufacturing jobs and other highly-productive labour-intensive activities has also resulted in falling output per capita ($90,000 per person in 2013 verses $77,000 now).

We're transitioning into a poor "used to be developed" nation. A lot of people aren't going to like it when their kids can't find any job above low-pay service industry jobs but Hawke and Keating laid out the framework when they were in office; it's always meant that the majority of the Aussie workforce will be low-skill, low pay but they simultaneously said we'd also be the 'clever country' (which didn't eventuate).

We're not going to be a 'developed nation' any longer, we'll be one of those corrupt "also rans" mired in poverty, corruption and crime.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Hey Graham4405, sorry if I sounded grumpy earlier today in your very reasonable post about Harris Scarfe - I'd shopped there over the years both here and in Melbourne as as we've been agreeing there was no issue with the quality of the goods particularly manchester which was always excellent.

My annoyance comes from being asked to give an opinion but not really having one (ironic for me I know!). There's been some family members complaining to me about their kids not having jobs despite having an education and I just can't offer them any advice other than maybe consider a trade or something at TAFE - to which you always get a negative reaction. Because ('ya know) Johnny or Janine didn't spend all that money and time doing honours/Masters/etc for no result. Surely!

We're in an age where tertiary education became a mass-consumer item and there's just way too many educated people with not enough relevant jobs for those people to do. The Austrian economist Schumpeter actually predicted this dilemma some 80 years ago and that it would be a big issue for developed societies to have so many people under-employed. I guess we're finding out now aren't we.


Anyway swings and roundabouts - the Dunstan household got our quarterly power bill yesterday and it was medals-all-round with a very low $295 for the quarter.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Rong Don, in 95 I quit my job as a copy boy on 160 a week to travel around the world. Things went sour when Dad said " go get a job" we went to CES and I got a job that day. Never will it be any easier to work then in the recession  It's now mental health rather then union full time jobs for life. You are so privilege white male that I love you Don Dustbin.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Rong Don, in 95 I quit my job as a copy boy on 160 a week to travel around the world. Things went sour when Dad said " go get a job" we went to CES and I got a job that day. Never will it be any easier to work then in the recession  It's now mental health rather then union full time jobs for life. You are so privilege white male that I love you Don Dustbin.
C2
Hey, you're right, C2. I'll just tell my friend's under-employed kid to get in a Tardis and go back to 1995 where you could walk into the CES and get a job the same day. There's going to be plenty of work for unskilled and semi-skilled people back then - like in the car industry for example. I should know, I worked in the car industry in the 1990's myself and you're right - it was dead easy to walk from one job to another.

Anyway - where shall I tell those people to catch the Tardis back to 1995? More importantly, can you use Opal or Myki?
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
[Well obviously some people feel as though its a symbol of a once great nation gone by... can you blame them for being sentimental about what we once were? Look at us now - can't even make bricks or aluminium any more.
The same people who didn't buy the cars made here? Stores going bust, blame the people who don't shop there.

Australia's always been a lucky country in terms of resources and geographic location but the rest of the world keeps moving on and eventually luck is not enough.
So do you think you're ready for us to be a South Africa, Mexico or a Brazil, where the majority of the population are poor and leading a hand-to-mouth existence and the few people with money have to erect 10-foot fences and barbed-wire to keep the poor out? That's clearly where we're headed.
don_dunstan
Not in my lifetime.

Your bleating about the great unwashed is so hypocritical. Rolling Eyes  It's you and other losers that keep in power the very politicians committed to protecting the interests of the extremely well off.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
[Well obviously some people feel as though its a symbol of a once great nation gone by... can you blame them for being sentimental about what we once were? Look at us now - can't even make bricks or aluminium any more.
The same people who didn't buy the cars made here? Stores going bust, blame the people who don't shop there.

Australia's always been a lucky country in terms of resources and geographic location but the rest of the world keeps moving on and eventually luck is not enough.
So do you think you're ready for us to be a South Africa, Mexico or a Brazil, where the majority of the population are poor and leading a hand-to-mouth existence and the few people with money have to erect 10-foot fences and barbed-wire to keep the poor out? That's clearly where we're headed.
Not in my lifetime.

Your bleating about the great unwashed is so hypocritical. Rolling Eyes  It's you and other losers that keep in power the very politicians committed to protecting the interests of the extremely well off.
Groundrelay
No I don't, I vote the opposite of what I'm supposed to. Not like the people who vote slavishly for the mainstream.

Did you see Eddie Obied getting out prison today - his friends and family treated him like he was a hero. Next thing he'll be back in parliament, there's heaps of NSW Labor people prepared to give that old mate another go. Shame he's got yet another criminal trial to face over coal development licenses he issued to his son together with former minister Ian MacDonald.

Seriously, you vote for those crooks?
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Seriously, you vote for those crooks?
don_dunstan
Sorry I didn't realise the other lot were saints committed to the betterment of those on the wrong side of the ledger. Apparently I'm one of those aspirationals but I don't mind paying tax to help those who need a hand. Silly me!  Also I'm not a racist or bigot and won't reward politicians who pander to those voters.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Seriously, you vote for those crooks?
Sorry I didn't realise the other lot were saints committed to the betterment of those on the wrong side of the ledger. Apparently I'm one of those aspirationals but I don't mind paying tax to help those who need a hand. Silly me!  Also I'm not a racist or bigot and won't reward politicians who pander to those voters.
Groundrelay
My God, how many crooks on the Labor side of the ledger in the last few years - even ICAC can't get to the bottom of the communist money flowing into NSW Labor. I'm sure the LNP are no angels either but the Labor party has the art of the brown paper bag down to a fine art.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
the Dunstan household got our quarterly power bill yesterday and it was medals-all-round with a very low $295 for the quarter.
don_dunstan
Our last 2 were $170 and $157!
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
the Dunstan household got our quarterly power bill yesterday and it was medals-all-round with a very low $295 for the quarter.
Our last 2 were $170 and $157!
Graham4405
Do you have solar though, Graham - we don't.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
the Dunstan household got our quarterly power bill yesterday and it was medals-all-round with a very low $295 for the quarter.
Our last 2 were $170 and $157!
Do you have solar though, Graham - we don't.
don_dunstan
Yes, but only 10 panels. Also every light has a LED globe, meaning that even if we have all our lights on that is still more efficient than a single 100w incandescent globe from the olden days.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Yes, but only 10 panels. Also every light has a LED globe, meaning that even if we have all our lights on that is still more efficient than a single 100w incandescent globe from the olden days.
Graham4405
Exactly, doesn't really matter how many lights you leave on when they're a fraction of incandescent lighting of decades ago and even cheaper than compact fluorescent. We like having lots of indirect lighting here too, easier on the eyes at night.

Also I've installed outside a few LED solar-powered motion sensor 'street lamps' (similar to the picture posted below) with an indicative power of 20 watts - that saves having to leave any outside lights on at all. Those kind of things have evolved beyond the status of 'toy' that they used to have when you bought them from shops - they have some serious output and the ones I've bought have managed to keep going even during the dullest winter weeks with no sun.

I don't mind using 'green' things that have a practical use.

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  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Next thing Don, you'll be putting a panel on the roof.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Melbourne is powering ahead, but Regional Vic is going backwards (-1.5% I heard on ABC Radio):
https://www.3aw.com.au/economic-powerhouse-melbourne-is-driving-australias-economic-growth-far-outperforming-sydney/

"SGS Economics and Planning partner Terry Rawnsley said Melbourne is driving national economic growth, with the city accounting for almost 40 per cent of national growth in 2018-19."

The Metropolitian - Regional divide is widening.  Not surprising with 96%+ of Vic infrastructure spending all happening in Smelbourne.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Seriously, you vote for those crooks?
Sorry I didn't realise the other lot were saints committed to the betterment of those on the wrong side of the ledger. Apparently I'm one of those aspirationals but I don't mind paying tax to help those who need a hand. Silly me!  Also I'm not a racist or bigot and won't reward politicians who pander to those voters.
My God, how many crooks on the Labor side of the ledger in the last few years - even ICAC can't get to the bottom of the communist money flowing into NSW Labor. I'm sure the LNP are no angels either but the Labor party has the art of the brown paper bag down to a fine art.
don_dunstan
If we got rid of every organisation that had crooks we'd shut down everything from the Pope down. Then again it's just about your politics which are at best confused. After all you didn't give a toss about people getting rich off age care because the LNP/ON don't.

As for the superior economic managers (you know those big Thatcher fans like you) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-16/myefo-budget-surplus-revised-down-to-$5-billion/11802150?section=politics
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
If we got rid of every organisation that had crooks we'd shut down everything from the Pope down. Then again it's just about your politics which are at best confused. After all you didn't give a toss about people getting rich off age care because the LNP/ON don't.

As for the superior economic managers (you know those big Thatcher fans like you) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-16/myefo-budget-surplus-revised-down-to-$5-billion/11802150?section=politics
Groundrelay
You're just angry because you know I'm right. The NSW Labor Party in particular represents vernal selfishness of the worst kind which is why they can't get elected any longer. The Labor Party has utterly failed, it doesn't connect to anyone - time to throw it out and replace it with something else.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
All signs are starting to point to a global recession in 2020 - even luxury Swiss watch sales are down: ZeroHedge;

Aggregate discretionary spending power among global consumers seems to be waning at the moment, coinciding with a global slowdown that has sent many manufacturing hubs across the world into a recession. Central bankers are concerned that the manufacturing slowdown has already transmitted weakness to consumers.

Diamonds, jewelry, and timepieces have seen lackluster demand in developed and emerging economies in 2019. This could be the result of consumers pulling back on spending as uncertainty builds in the global economy for 2020. Focusing on Switzerland, the latest Federation of the Swiss Watch Industry report indicates exports have fallen to levels not seen since the mid-1980s as demand for low-end timepieces sinks.

The report notes that 18.9 million watches were exported in the first 11 months of the year were down 13% Y/Y.

Demand for Swiss watches sank to levels not seen since 1984 at 17.8 million units.

Bloomberg notes that smartwatches, such as Apple Watch, Samsung Galaxy Watch, and the Garmin smartwatch, have dented demand for Swiss watches under $200. The slump was also seen on higher-priced Swiss watches.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Seriously, you vote for those crooks?
Sorry I didn't realise the other lot were saints committed to the betterment of those on the wrong side of the ledger. Apparently I'm one of those aspirationals but I don't mind paying tax to help those who need a hand. Silly me!  Also I'm not a racist or bigot and won't reward politicians who pander to those voters.
My God, how many crooks on the Labor side of the ledger in the last few years - even ICAC can't get to the bottom of the communist money flowing into NSW Labor. I'm sure the LNP are no angels either but the Labor party has the art of the brown paper bag down to a fine art.
If we got rid of every organisation that had crooks we'd shut down everything from the Pope down. Then again it's just about your politics which are at best confused. After all you didn't give a toss about people getting rich off age care because the LNP/ON don't.

As for the superior economic managers (you know those big Thatcher fans like you) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-16/myefo-budget-surplus-revised-down-to-$5-billion/11802150?section=politics
Groundrelay
Balanced budget because money stolen from NDIS. Again the most vulnerable being screwed over by the neo Thatcherites
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Seriously, you vote for those crooks?
Sorry I didn't realise the other lot were saints committed to the betterment of those on the wrong side of the ledger. Apparently I'm one of those aspirationals but I don't mind paying tax to help those who need a hand. Silly me!  Also I'm not a racist or bigot and won't reward politicians who pander to those voters.
My God, how many crooks on the Labor side of the ledger in the last few years - even ICAC can't get to the bottom of the communist money flowing into NSW Labor. I'm sure the LNP are no angels either but the Labor party has the art of the brown paper bag down to a fine art.
If we got rid of every organisation that had crooks we'd shut down everything from the Pope down. Then again it's just about your politics which are at best confused. After all you didn't give a toss about people getting rich off age care because the LNP/ON don't.

As for the superior economic managers (you know those big Thatcher fans like you) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-16/myefo-budget-surplus-revised-down-to-$5-billion/11802150?section=politics
Balanced budget because money stolen from NDIS. Again the most vulnerable being screwed over by the neo Thatcherites
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
How can you steal money from a black hole that wasn't even in the forward estimates when dreamed up by Labor?   The money there is only due to the Liberals.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
How can you steal money from a black hole that wasn't even in the forward estimates when dreamed up by Labor?   The money there is only due to the Liberals.
Donald
Yet another thing dreamt up by that serial incompetent Gillard, completely un-funded and expected to blow out to tens of billions when in full operation. Just like her approval of the export gas terminals, she set in motion a time-bomb for future governments to have to deal with. The fact that she is best friends with that other war-mongering incompetent has-been Hillary Clinton is not surprising in the least.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

How can you steal money from a black hole that wasn't even in the forward estimates when dreamed up by Labor?   The money there is only due to the Liberals.
Donald
They still took it to fund an unnecessary surplus just to impress the gullible public. You know the average Joe in the street doesn't know the difference between public and private debt. The average Joe is so up to their eyeballs in debt the prospect of foreclosure by their lenders is a real and present danger and they think the same can happen to a government. Nah, the governments can print more money, and as long as the inflation rate is OK life goes on. The US have been using quantitative easing for a while now. We should do it.

Don, you just don't like women of a superior intellect to you.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Don, you just don't like woman of a superior intellect to you.
"nswtrains"
There'd be thousands of them.Very Happy

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