Ballarat Line Upgrade Project

 
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Announced in the 2016  State budget primarily involving these  works  :

*  Duplication  Deer Park West to  Melton
*  Extended platforms at Rockbank
*  Second platforms at  Bacchus Marsh &  Ballan
*  New  crossing loops  at  Bacchus Marsh, Ballan and on the Millbrook deviation
* Duplication for 3 kms from Warrenheip in an Up direction towards  Dunnstown .
* Closure of the North Line (original line) through  Wallace .
*  Restoration of two way running for passenger services between Warrenheip and Ballarat East .
* Three stabling roads at Melton and three also at  Rowsley .  

August 2016  :  
The State Government has announced that as part of the current  new two platform (island ) station at Caroline Springs that the existing duplication will be extended immediately from the current Deer Park West Junction  one  kilometre through the new platforms to a new temporary double to single track junction at the Down end of the new station, with expected completion of both projects early 2017 . Major other works will commence in 2017 .

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  duttonbay Minister for Railways

If the duplication extends to Melton, what purpose does a new crossing loop there achieve? Or is that a temporary measure during the duplication? How will closure of the original line through Wallace affect scheduling - that means removal of a stretch of effectively double track.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Announced in the 2016  State budget primarily involving these  works  :

*  Duplication  Deer Park West to  Melton
*  Extended platforms at Rockbank
*  Second platforms at  Bacchus Marsh &  Ballan
*  New  crossing loops  at  Bacchus Marsh, Melton and on the Millbrook deviation
kuldalai

Assuming the second platform will be constructed at Ballan, surely that will also includes another crossing loop Question

Mike.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

If the duplication extends to Melton, what purpose does a new crossing loop there achieve? Or is that a temporary measure during the duplication? How will closure of the original line through Wallace affect scheduling - that means removal of a stretch of effectively double track.
duttonbay

The old line from Millsbrook to Dunnstown is quite slow, one assumes there will need to be a major rearrangement of the timetable to  allow for  quite different timings for the two differing paths and the cross will be shifted to the new double track between  Ballarat East and Dunnstown. A second platform and therefore (I assume) a loop at Ballan will be a major and llllllllllloooooooonnnnnnngggggg overdue  improvement, it currently not to difficult to get stuck in Bankbox for 15 minutes waiting for an opposing service to come from Millsbrook. Note, this is usually not quite the dissaster it seems as it means one usually is sent via the new direct line and this saves around 7 minutes. One trip we were 25 minutes late at Ballan from waiting in Bankbox but arrived in Ballarat only 7 minutes late as we were rerouted via the new line.

woodford
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Apology -  Seniors  moment !!!!  Original post corrected . The new loops are at  Bacchus Marsh, Ballan and on the new Millbrook direct line.

Effectively the crossing loop is already existant at Bacchus Marsh but as there is only a platform on the loop road it is of limited use for passenger crosses currently . (Set back pass crosses can, and are done but VLP avoid them if possible.)  With a second platform on the straight road at Bacchus Marsh this then allows opposing passes to cross at the Marsh .

Ballan will be a new loop several kms long through the station with a second platform .

The North Line via Wallace is the original line and this adds around 7 minutes extra travel time, is circuitous with many curves and several level crossings .  The RRL Millbrook direct alignment will have a new passing loop several kms long to replace the old North Line alignment altogether , which will be abandonded.

The improvement package restores access for Melbourne VLP trains to both existing tracks between Ballarat East and Warrenheip with the duplication to be extended from Warrenheip in an Up direction towards Dunnstown for some 3 kms .
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Will the new multi-km long loop on the Millbrook - Dunnstown deviation have 80kph+ points on them and be signalled for running crosses?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Can the two bridges on the new line between Millbrook and Dunnstown accomodate double track?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Proportionately (% of kms) how much of SCS-Ballarat will be duplicated after this?

With the abandonment of the old path at Wallace, will this mean that there will be a short length of single track somewhere between Dunnstown and the western end of this loop, or will the duplicate track in reality extend from Ballarat to Millbrook?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Proportionately (% of kms) how much of SCS-Ballarat will be duplicated after this?

With the abandonment of the old path at Wallace, will this mean that there will be a short length of single track somewhere between Dunnstown and the western end of this loop, or will the duplicate track in reality extend from Ballarat to Millbrook?
james.au
IIRC about 50%.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Can the two bridges on the new line between Millbrook and Dunnstown accomodate double track?
"mikesyd"


Both bridges have a single track deck, Both bridges consist of tapered steel cylindrical pylons with a precast single track concrete deck.

Bye the way one can get a real good look at the western bridge from the bottom end of Grills Lane, one needs a reasonably long lens as you are around 1100 metres from the bridge, but you do get a good clear view. Its private property from after a gate where the lane drops down to Lal Lal creek, so one cannot get passed the gate. Take care if one ventures down Grills lane after rain, when I was there the track was not to good.

woodford
  trestle_nutter Train Controller

Location: Yarra Valley
Can the two bridges on the new line between Millbrook and Dunnstown accomodate double track?


Both bridges have a single track deck, Both bridges consist of tapered steel cylindrical pylons with a precast single track concrete deck.

Bye the way one can get a real good look at the western bridge from the bottom end of Grills Lane, one needs a reasonably long lens as you are around 1100 metres from the bridge, but you do get a good clear view. Its private property from after a gate where the lane drops down to Lal Lal creek, so one cannot get passed the gate. Take care if one ventures down Grills lane after rain, when I was there the track was not to good.

woodford
woodford
yep, both bridges can only accommodate a single track.....there is about 4.4 klms between the bridges but there are two road over bridges.....are these wide enough to take a second track?  (BTW....the steel cylindrical pylons of the main bridges are actually wind turbine towers made by Keppel Prince in Portland)
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Can the two bridges on the new line between Millbrook and Dunnstown accomodate double track?


Both bridges have a single track deck, Both bridges consist of tapered steel cylindrical pylons with a precast single track concrete deck.

Bye the way one can get a real good look at the western bridge from the bottom end of Grills Lane, one needs a reasonably long lens as you are around 1100 metres from the bridge, but you do get a good clear view. Its private property from after a gate where the lane drops down to Lal Lal creek, so one cannot get passed the gate. Take care if one ventures down Grills lane after rain, when I was there the track was not to good.

woodford
yep, both bridges can only accommodate a single track.....there is about 4.4 klms between the bridges but there are two road over bridges.....are these wide enough to take a second track?  (BTW....the steel cylindrical pylons of the main bridges are actually wind turbine towers made by Keppel Prince in Portland)
trestle_nutter
Its quite a long while since I measured them, from memory the span of both bridges is around 9 metres so that should be enough for two tracks, the cuttings have also been done wide enough for two tracks, its though there a 160kph section.

When they did that section they had two of the BIGGEST bulldozers I have ever seen, they were shifting an massive quantity of earth. I worked out in the embankment at the eastern end to the first bridge there was over 500,000 cubic metres of fill alone.

woodford
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The whole new direct high speed line via MIllbrook was built with a large degree of future proofing for eventual duplication .  
So the road over rail overpasses on the Millbrook deviation will already  allow for a second track .  So we will have 3 kms duplicated on the Up side of Warrenheip , then a short single  line section, then most likely a 3.5km loop between the two major bridges on the Millbrook deviation, then single line to the new Ballan loop extending 3 - 5 kms through Ballan with a second platform at Ballan .
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

The Melbourne Metro Rail Authority will relocate existing stabling yards at Bacchus Marsh station to Maddingley instead of constructing new stabling at Melton and Rowsley. This will mean staff will work from one location, away from urban areas – making it quieter for local residents.

OK that is interesting.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The Melbourne Metro Rail Authority will relocate existing stabling yards at Bacchus Marsh station to Maddingley instead of constructing new stabling at Melton and Rowsley. This will mean staff will work from one location, away from urban areas – making it quieter for local residents.

OK that is interesting.
James974
Having it at one location rather than doubling up makes sense, it would have resulted in a weird timetable with some short haul services running to Melton and some to Bacchus Marsh when most now run to Bacchus. Now, I assume all of them will.

Interested in seeing what they mean by Maddingley instead of Rowsley, because presumably that means it will be closer to Bacchus Marsh and the built up area.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

The Melbourne Metro Rail Authority will relocate existing stabling yards at Bacchus Marsh station to Maddingley instead of constructing new stabling at Melton and Rowsley. This will mean staff will work from one location, away from urban areas – making it quieter for local residents.

OK that is interesting.
Having it at one location rather than doubling up makes sense, it would have resulted in a weird timetable with some short haul services running to Melton and some to Bacchus Marsh when most now run to Bacchus. Now, I assume all of them will.

Interested in seeing what they mean by Maddingley instead of Rowsley, because presumably that means it will be closer to Bacchus Marsh and the built up area.
TOQ-1
I bet when they electrify the line out to Melton, they'll build a seperate stabling for Metro Trains anyways. So they don't necessary have to build both at Melton and Rowsley.

Yes they are building stabling at Maddingley instead of Rowsley very interesting indeed. Isn't that closer to residence then wouldn't it make the reasoning contradict why they changed the decision?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
The Melbourne Metro Rail Authority will relocate existing stabling yards at Bacchus Marsh station to Maddingley instead of constructing new stabling at Melton and Rowsley. This will mean staff will work from one location, away from urban areas – making it quieter for local residents.

OK that is interesting.
Having it at one location rather than doubling up makes sense, it would have resulted in a weird timetable with some short haul services running to Melton and some to Bacchus Marsh when most now run to Bacchus. Now, I assume all of them will.

Interested in seeing what they mean by Maddingley instead of Rowsley, because presumably that means it will be closer to Bacchus Marsh and the built up area.
TOQ-1
So where exactly is Maddingley in Railway terms? (The area south of the river at Bacchus Marsh, including where the station is located and the Mine further south are all in Maddingley). Are we assuming the Stabling area will be just to the east of Bacchus Marsh Station?
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia




http://dth.railpage.org.au/trainroom/updates/up30july2011.htm

For those who have not seen these bridges....

Regards,
David Head
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
I bet when they electrify the line out to Melton, they'll build a seperate stabling for Metro Trains anyways. So they don't necessary have to build both at Melton and Rowsley.

Yes they are building stabling at Maddingley instead of Rowsley very interesting indeed. Isn't that closer to residence then wouldn't it make the reasoning contradict why they changed the decision?
James974
My thoughts was that Metro Tunnel was in charge of the upgrades because they were getting the line ready for Metro Tunnel services in 10-15 years (or even better on day 1). I'm cautiously optimistic that this means that PTV are planning electrification to Bacchus Marsh now instead of Melton, for a two tier Melton/BM service like Watergardens/Sunbury now.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

I bet when they electrify the line out to Melton, they'll build a seperate stabling for Metro Trains anyways. So they don't necessary have to build both at Melton and Rowsley.

Yes they are building stabling at Maddingley instead of Rowsley very interesting indeed. Isn't that closer to residence then wouldn't it make the reasoning contradict why they changed the decision?
My thoughts was that Metro Tunnel was in charge of the upgrades because they were getting the line ready for Metro Tunnel services in 10-15 years (or even better on day 1). I'm cautiously optimistic that this means that PTV are planning electrification to Bacchus Marsh now instead of Melton, for a two tier Melton/BM service like Watergardens/Sunbury now.
TOQ-1
The problem with electrifying to Bacchus Marsh is the single track between Melton and Bacchus March.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The problem with electrifying to Bacchus Marsh is the single track between Melton and Bacchus March.
James974
Well yes, but that isn't something that can't be fixed.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Can the two bridges on the new line between Millbrook and Dunnstown accomodate double track?


Both bridges have a single track deck, Both bridges consist of tapered steel cylindrical pylons with a precast single track concrete deck.

Bye the way one can get a real good look at the western bridge from the bottom end of Grills Lane, one needs a reasonably long lens as you are around 1100 metres from the bridge, but you do get a good clear view. Its private property from after a gate where the lane drops down to Lal Lal creek, so one cannot get passed the gate. Take care if one ventures down Grills lane after rain, when I was there the track was not to good.

woodford
yep, both bridges can only accommodate a single track.....there is about 4.4 klms between the bridges but there are two road over bridges.....are these wide enough to take a second track?  (BTW....the steel cylindrical pylons of the main bridges are actually wind turbine towers made by Keppel Prince in Portland)
Its quite a long while since I measured them, from memory the span of both bridges is around 9 metres so that should be enough for two tracks, the cuttings have also been done wide enough for two tracks, its though there a 160kph section.

When they did that section they had two of the BIGGEST bulldozers I have ever seen, they were shifting an massive quantity of earth. I worked out in the embankment at the eastern end to the first bridge there was over 500,000 cubic metres of fill alone.

woodford
woodford
The bridges are only designed for a single track...




My thoughts was that Metro Tunnel was in charge of the upgrades because they were getting the line ready for Metro Tunnel services in 10-15 years (or even better on day 1). I'm cautiously optimistic that this means that PTV are planning electrification to Bacchus Marsh now instead of Melton, for a two tier Melton/BM service like Watergardens/Sunbury now.
TOQ-1

Bacchus Marsh isn't worth it, it would increase the project scope by 50%.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
My thoughts was that Metro Tunnel was in charge of the upgrades because they were getting the line ready for Metro Tunnel services in 10-15 years (or even better on day 1). I'm cautiously optimistic that this means that PTV are planning electrification to Bacchus Marsh now instead of Melton, for a two tier Melton/BM service like Watergardens/Sunbury now.

Bacchus Marsh isn't worth it, it would increase the project scope by 50%.
ZH836301
I realize this, which is why I said I was cautiously optimistic.

Like I said, the logic behind Metro Tunnel being in charge of the works was to make sure that the Melton duplication went ahead being fully ready to become a line feeding into the tunnel (and so V/Line didn't smeg up another project again). I assumed that stabling at Melton would have been designed for the HCMTs which would then be operating the line.

Now all the stabling will be provided at Bacchus.
  steve195 Train Controller


*  Restoration of two way running for passenger services between Warrenheip and Ballarat East .
kuldalai
According to this video, the project includes "duplication of three kilometres of track on the Melbourne side of Warrenheip Junction."
  MetroFemme Chief Train Controller

How come electrification for metro trains is not being completed to Bacchus Marsh where the major terminus exists and so does a private school which sees students catch V/line trains from the Melbourne line?

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