V-Set replacement contract announced

 
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Hopefully they'll keep at least 12-14 cars like they did with the S sets so a good representation across the board/numerous contracts will be retained. Interesting how in the late 1990's the NSW Gov of the time was willing to sell rolling stock such as the old "red rattlers", U sets, Tulloch trailers, etc

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  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
Hopefully they'll keep at least 12-14 cars like they did with the S sets so a good representation across the board/numerous contracts will be retained. Interesting how in the late 1990's the NSW Gov of the time was willing to sell rolling stock such as the old "red rattlers", U sets, Tulloch trailers, etc
SydneyCider
They did sell a lot of the S Sets when they were originally retiring back in 2012. They will most likely do the same with the V Sets and take a few to preservation with SETS and HET. The V Sets are so comfortable!
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
They did sell a lot of the S Sets when they were originally retiring back in 2012. They will most likely do the same with the V Sets and take a few to preservation with SETS and HET. The V Sets are so comfortable!
AheadMatthewawsome


They did not. Partially because no tender went out, and partly because they're not suitable for accommodation.
  Matthew Chief Train Controller

Maybe. There is legacy asbestos used in many applications still today, roofing if often one. However as long as its not touched and locked away its often deemed safe. Its when you go to scrap/demolish then the plastic Biohazard moon suits come out.

However I suspect the V-sets were built too late to get asbestos, well at least the bulk of the active fleet anyway.
RTT_Rules
They may have asbestos in the arc-shutes on the line breakers in each power car. Asbestos was used well into the 90s in certain restricted areas where it's superior heat handling was needed - like on the arc chutes on DC circuit breakers.

Asbestos is fine as long as it stays put. No chopping, sawing or breaking.

The V set cars will go to a scrapper who promises to properly handle any asbestos they find like what they did to the S set cars. Certainly, no money is going to be spent checking for and removing asbestos PROR to sale, just so a limited number can become sheds or boutique accommodation blocks, they will just job lot them to a scrapie with an asbestos plan.
  DCook Chief Train Controller
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Fireman

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
The end is here
https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/hyundai-rotem-delivers-first-batch-of-electric-trains-to-australia
Are these trains being delivered out of order too? The photo included in that article shows that the set is D103.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Are these trains being delivered out of order too? The photo included in that article shows that the set is D103.
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Probably the warehouse's number of the train, probably will not be ours.
  C3765 Train Controller

I’ve seen a photo of “D 01” which I think was a 4-Car Set and I think they mentioned in the article that a 6-Car Set (probably “D 103”) had been delivered so I’m pretty sure
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

I took a couple of rides on V sets this week, and I am still convinced that this train iis something completely above and beyond its replacement, the Oscar Mark - (minus) II that has unfortunately landed.
  David10 Station Master

Are these trains being delivered out of order too? The photo included in that article shows that the set is D103.
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I believe there are 20 carriages in the first shipment. Often the first built sets are fitted with test equipment and retained by the builder for testing and only sent down the production line for fitting out at the end.
  providence_b Beginner

Very sad to see the end in sight for the V Sets. Has there been any recent news regarding preservation plans for them, in terms of the number of sets that might escape scrapping, and which heritage groups have expressed any interest?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Very sad to see the end in sight for the V Sets. Has there been any recent news regarding preservation plans for them, in terms of the number of sets that might escape scrapping, and which heritage groups have expressed any interest?
providence_b
You should read a bit more widely rather than ask questions that have been answered multiple times here and elsewhere. Anyhow the answer to your 3 questions is yes, yes and yes.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I took a couple of rides on V sets this week, and I am still convinced that this train iis something completely above and beyond its replacement, the Oscar Mark - (minus) II that has unfortunately landed.
ANR
The V sets are totally unsuited to the tasks they carry out these days. The runs are now long distance commuter and tourist runs rather than the type of travel envisaged when they were first designed and had practically disappeared by the time they were delivered. The pokey little toilets and limited size of the entrance doors are the main problem with V sets. Besides they are totally clapped out and will not last much longer. Just because the foamers don't like the new NIF sets doesn't mean the public won't like them. They will love them.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Clapped out, yes. Everything NSW runs is clapped out e.g. XP power cars etc.

The v sets could have been redesigned as a new train with wider doors and toilets etc. But someone lacked imagination.

Side by side, a 4 car Oscar does not compare to a 4 car v set. When you see a citybound v set arrive in a major Sydney station, commuters love to board this train because more people will be able to get seats and be less sardined. With an Oscar, it is like catching another suburban train. King Oscar Sardine style.

As I have said before, people will struggle to see 10 car NIF sets.
  Nichole the Otter Station Master

My biggest issue with V sets are the narrow doors, but they seem to be loved for their other features. The D sets just look like a glorified H set (OSCAR), and the seating probably won’t be as comfortable as a H set. V sets have often been considered to have the most comfortable seating on the network, along with the G sets.
  decry1234 Station Master

So the first delivery of the NIF sets arrives on the 17th December via Pork Kembla... Anybody have info available on where & when they will be towed once on land?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Interesting that they will be dropped at port kembla instead of newcastle.
  Xavier Station Master

Location: Newcastle, AU
Interesting that they will be dropped at port kembla instead of newcastle.
simstrain

If I recall the LR vehicles for the NLR were also shipped to Port Kembla and put on a truck to Newcastle
  y Beginner

Location: Sydney Australia
Does anyone have any updates on the d sets?
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

Does anyone have any updates on the d sets?
y
For D2/102/3/103. Testing starts sometime this month. The rest will arrive progressively.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Is it possible that the v set frames could have been completely gutted and replaced with new electrics, motors, drivers cabin and controls, interiors, software etc to keep them running another 30 years?

Wouldnt this have been cheaper, and kept local jobs especially since the original heavy industry that built them is no longer around.

What was the compelling reason to retire them?

SJ has been doing this to their X2000, with a major overhaul of the electrics, and refreshing the interior.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Is it possible that the v set frames could have been completely gutted and replaced with new electrics, motors, drivers cabin and controls, interiors, software etc to keep them running another 30 years?

Wouldnt this have been cheaper, and kept local jobs especially since the original heavy industry that built them is no longer around.

What was the compelling reason to retire them?

SJ has been doing this to their X2000, with a major overhaul of the electrics, and refreshing the interior.
ANR
The compelling reason could be more than one.  Outdated looks, although with what I see across the world in photo's of new trains most look the same and with different front end colours and boring.

The main reason, or one of them is that new trains provides another monument to be on show for the state government and their inherent policies that they are always right.

For me, I hope they are more comfortable than the current H sets, for which the H stands for hate them. I have little issues with the comfort level of the V sets when travelling to Sydney from Newcastle they are far more comfortable than the new ones as far as the seats are concerned. The seats kill my back and makes for enough visits to a Nuero Surgeon to see what he can do.  Worst aspect is that if these new trains are no better, I will have to revert to driving down which I don't want to do.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The V sets are out of time. The narrow doors and passageways are no longer viable for disabled access and reduced dwell times.
  a6et Minister for Railways

The V sets are out of time. The narrow doors and passageways are no longer viable for disabled access and reduced dwell times.
simstrain
Several of the sets that run here on the CC line have the swing doors removed, also seats in the vestibule areas are reduced for extra room.  Most of the stations are also manned and have disabled access available. The greatest hindrance for the disabled is the high stairways they still have to get up and down to the platforms on.

Its not just the V sets that have disabled problems but very much the dmu's that run in the Maitland services, while some of the stations have raised sections along them there is still a high step up from the platform into the entries, in fact if one compared those sets, and the H sets with the 5 seat configurations there is more issues for the disabled on those trains with narrow doors and aisleways.

There is one other DMU up here that has access restraints as the doors into the compartments at each end are locked and they are also slightly narrower, the difficulty getting out when the train is crowded has the guard needing to get out onto the platform as the doorways are narrow there as well.  How anyone with a disabled wheel chair could get on some of those would be a nightmare to see, let alone be involved.

At Victoria st station which is amongst the busiest the 2 car sets have a stop point, that has one of the end doorways stopping on the angled drop down higher extension to the platforms height guite an issue for some as they try to get on or off, Very very easy to miss the height of the entry into the train from the platform.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The V sets are out of time. The narrow doors and passageways are no longer viable for disabled access and reduced dwell times.
Several of the sets that run here on the CC line have the swing doors removed, also seats in the vestibule areas are reduced for extra room.  Most of the stations are also manned and have disabled access available. The greatest hindrance for the disabled is the high stairways they still have to get up and down to the platforms on.

Its not just the V sets that have disabled problems but very much the dmu's that run in the Maitland services, while some of the stations have raised sections along them there is still a high step up from the platform into the entries, in fact if one compared those sets, and the H sets with the 5 seat configurations there is more issues for the disabled on those trains with narrow doors and aisleways.

There is one other DMU up here that has access restraints as the doors into the compartments at each end are locked and they are also slightly narrower, the difficulty getting out when the train is crowded has the guard needing to get out onto the platform as the doorways are narrow there as well.  How anyone with a disabled wheel chair could get on some of those would be a nightmare to see, let alone be involved.

At Victoria st station which is amongst the busiest the 2 car sets have a stop point, that has one of the end doorways stopping on the angled drop down higher extension to the platforms height guite an issue for some as they try to get on or off, Very very easy to miss the height of the entry into the train from the platform.
a6et

V sets might have a disabled spot but that doesn't mean it is able to handle a person in a wheelchair. The doors are too narrow period. I know this because I have a disabled father and 2 disabled uncles and none of which have ever been able to get on a v set. The high entry from platform is common even on the suburban fleet and you are right about it being difficult if not impossible to get wheelchairs on some trains at certain stations but the wide doors and roomy entryway is so much easier and quicker to get a wheelchair on to the train where the ramp is not too steep. Narrow doors are a thing of the past and they need to go which is why the V set need to go.

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