http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/contract-for-new-trains-for-nsw-intercity-fleet-to-be-built-in-south-korea-20160818-gqv9rj.html
UGL-led consortium, built in Korea. $2.3b initial cost.
Are these the first Australian trains to be built in Korea?I believe so. Hyundai Rotem is the only builder I know of in Sth Korea for trains, but they seemed to have built a lot elsewhere:
Oh dear!, more bad news,Stuck in 1980's Time warp. Obviously you are not from Victoria. We still have rollingstock from the 1950's!!!
We seem to be stuck in a 1980's time warp. No tilting technology apparent despite the significant advantages that would be available over these three routes (Lithgow, Newcastle and Wollongong). STRUG's lobbying has been ignored, typical.
Built offshore in Korea (off the shelf and cheapest price of course). What will happen when the builders can't deliver to specification and will they be 'fit for service'? I anticipate significant delays and commissioning problems to try and get the things to work properly on our system.
200 new jobs at Kangy Angy (south of Tuggerah) will be poor compensation for the hundreds of jobs lost overseas.
2.3B to 3.9B (optimistically) badly spent dollars for the NSW taxpayer later what will we have?
I'll bet Mr Constance is not around when these arrive, so of course won't be holding them to account (as promised). What BS.
Happy commuting,
John
RIP the V sets. You will be sadly missed!
Oh dear!, more bad news,
We seem to be stuck in a 1980's time warp.
Built offshore in Korea (off the shelf and cheapest price of course).
RIP the V sets. You will be sadly missed!
So what's the bet these new trains don't have tip over seats to all face the direction of travel, like the U sets had, like the G sets had, like the V sets have, and like the Oscars H sets have. (And all the current suburban sets have)Stop speaking crap. They will be reversible. They are obviously modified OSCARS, narrower, and in 8 car sets as per the A sets. Nothing surprising here. Obviously not off the shelf except in so much they are an existing NSW design somewhat modified. Very sensible. Tilt trains up the mountains, not possible.
Remember when the XPT originally came out half the seats were facing backwards and opposition to these made them fit reversible seating to all the carriages.
I wouldn't like to be sitting facing an obnoxious person all the way from Hamilton to Sydney if they end up with two facing two seats. Please give us reversible seats.
The images of these new trains released so far have been selective to try and indicate they all face the one direction. Don't think so.
You are a complete idiot. Go away.Oh dear!, more bad news,Stuck in 1980's Time warp. Obviously you are not from Victoria. We still have rollingstock from the 1950's!!!
We seem to be stuck in a 1980's time warp. No tilting technology apparent despite the significant advantages that would be available over these three routes (Lithgow, Newcastle and Wollongong). STRUG's lobbying has been ignored, typical.
Built offshore in Korea (off the shelf and cheapest price of course). What will happen when the builders can't deliver to specification and will they be 'fit for service'? I anticipate significant delays and commissioning problems to try and get the things to work properly on our system.
200 new jobs at Kangy Angy (south of Tuggerah) will be poor compensation for the hundreds of jobs lost overseas.
2.3B to 3.9B (optimistically) badly spent dollars for the NSW taxpayer later what will we have?
I'll bet Mr Constance is not around when these arrive, so of course won't be holding them to account (as promised). What BS.
Happy commuting,
John
RIP the V sets. You will be sadly missed!
Michael
@nswtrains If that is directed at me, I suggest that you take a bex and have a lie down!!!You are a complete idiot. Go away.Oh dear!, more bad news,Stuck in 1980's Time warp. Obviously you are not from Victoria. We still have rollingstock from the 1950's!!!
We seem to be stuck in a 1980's time warp. No tilting technology apparent despite the significant advantages that would be available over these three routes (Lithgow, Newcastle and Wollongong). STRUG's lobbying has been ignored, typical.
Built offshore in Korea (off the shelf and cheapest price of course). What will happen when the builders can't deliver to specification and will they be 'fit for service'? I anticipate significant delays and commissioning problems to try and get the things to work properly on our system.
200 new jobs at Kangy Angy (south of Tuggerah) will be poor compensation for the hundreds of jobs lost overseas.
2.3B to 3.9B (optimistically) badly spent dollars for the NSW taxpayer later what will we have?
I'll bet Mr Constance is not around when these arrive, so of course won't be holding them to account (as promised). What BS.
Happy commuting,
John
RIP the V sets. You will be sadly missed!
Michael
Oh dear!, more bad news,Wow
We seem to be stuck in a 1980's time warp. No tilting technology apparent despite the significant advantages that would be available over these three routes (Lithgow, Newcastle and Wollongong). STRUG's lobbying has been ignored, typical.
Built offshore in Korea (off the shelf and cheapest price of course). What will happen when the builders can't deliver to specification and will they be 'fit for service'? I anticipate significant delays and commissioning problems to try and get the things to work properly on our system.
200 new jobs at Kangy Angy (south of Tuggerah) will be poor compensation for the hundreds of jobs lost overseas.
2.3B to 3.9B (optimistically) badly spent dollars for the NSW taxpayer later what will we have?
I'll bet Mr Constance is not around when these arrive, so of course won't be holding them to account (as promised). What BS.
Happy commuting,
John
The seats are to have tray tables, so unless they are going to be spin around I don't see how the seats are going to be reversibleSo what's the bet these new trains don't have tip over seats to all face the direction of travel, like the U sets had, like the G sets had, like the V sets have, and like the Oscars H sets have. (And all the current suburban sets have)Stop speaking crap. They will be reversible. They are obviously modified OSCARS, narrower, and in 8 car sets as per the A sets. Nothing surprising here. Obviously not off the shelf except in so much they are an existing NSW design somewhat modified. Very sensible. Tilt trains up the mountains, not possible.
Remember when the XPT originally came out half the seats were facing backwards and opposition to these made them fit reversible seating to all the carriages.
I wouldn't like to be sitting facing an obnoxious person all the way from Hamilton to Sydney if they end up with two facing two seats. Please give us reversible seats.
The images of these new trains released so far have been selective to try and indicate they all face the one direction. Don't think so.
What is wrong with our governments!Quick delivery is what is required and that is what will happen if built in Korea.
These trains and any other new projects should be built here in Australia even if the cost is as high as double that of offshore.
Not only does it create jobs for the actual construction, it also creates growth and business for the associated industries such as steel and electrical.
The companies and people employed in all these jobs will be earning an income and therefore paying tax, as well as additional GST that is generated from their spending. People with income can then afford to purchase houses and luxury items again generating more stamp duty and GST for the government.
At the end of the day if the trains have cost a few million dollars more, the country has gained a lot more by keeping our economy fluid.
The visions our politicions have are so short sighted - save a some money now and forget about what the effect will be to the rest of the country
Not defending building overseas, but I feel more confident of a good product from South Korea than the Waratah issues that came from China. BTW, not sure if Labor should be so vocal, the whole Waratah deal was Labor!USB chargers will be awesome - just the right size and shape to accommodate chewed gum. I give these 2 return trips before they start being vandalised.
As for design: Cup holders and trays? How long will they last? It will be nice to have the USB chargers, but I also can see many not working after a while either.
I have never understood sydneysiders demand for reversible seating. Yes, the reversible seating is nice, but i would much rather a well built comfortable seat. On reversible seats (the flip variant, not the spin around), many other factors like leg room, weight, and fabric have to be sacrificed to allow for the reversibility.You've never played 500 from Katoomba to Sydney...
Sitting backwards isn't the end of the world, people do it for 3 hours an ICE or IMU100 from gympie to brisbane. (granted, the ICE is the most comfortable train in australia)
Fixed seats would allow for much greater comfort and durability.
I have done my fair share of long rail journeys, journeys on the "japanese subway" style sardine can that is the 3 car 7:25am ferny grove service. And a 4 car blue mountains that is full by redfern.I have never understood sydneysiders demand for reversible seating. Yes, the reversible seating is nice, but i would much rather a well built comfortable seat. On reversible seats (the flip variant, not the spin around), many other factors like leg room, weight, and fabric have to be sacrificed to allow for the reversibility.You've never played 500 from Katoomba to Sydney...
Sitting backwards isn't the end of the world, people do it for 3 hours an ICE or IMU100 from gympie to brisbane. (granted, the ICE is the most comfortable train in australia)
Fixed seats would allow for much greater comfort and durability.
What is wrong with our governments!I think that this is exactly right. Apparently they "save" 25% $ for $. But they money returned to the economy via taxes(as Shotime has said) more employement (less centerlink) utilisation of fast becoming dated idle manufacturing equipment, the chance to utilise technology & learning for Fit for Future etc could well outweigh that difference.
These trains and any other new projects should be built here in Australia even if the cost is as high as double that of offshore.
Not only does it create jobs for the actual construction, it also creates growth and business for the associated industries such as steel and electrical.
The companies and people employed in all these jobs will be earning an income and therefore paying tax, as well as additional GST that is generated from their spending. People with income can then afford to purchase houses and luxury items again generating more stamp duty and GST for the government.
At the end of the day if the trains have cost a few million dollars more, the country has gained a lot more by keeping our economy fluid.
The visions our politicions have are so short sighted - save a some money now and forget about what the effect will be to the rest of the country
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