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    Topic moved from General by dthead on 10 Oct 2016 21:40
      dthead Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    This is a moderator message, so I hope someone reads this.


    Everyone has a right to post in any public thread, including this one. However over time it is clear the main poster in this thread has been questioned extensively and his personal circumstances been  quietly questioned.

    I will put to everyone if you all did not react, and post, this thread would   not be current, or worried about.  Remember it is i the armchair expert - it's only a what if.  It is not mainstream, but a theory for now.  It does not need to be factual  and can stay as is - it is affecting no one as long as the poster stays here and not all over the forum as originally happened.

    No one HAS to post here, unless one is up to just teasing, or stirring.  We do not need to judge the subject. We can simply dismiss it and move on.


    So we can let it lie, can we not ?

    ( no discussion of my post here please, most of you can PM me if really needed )

    Update:  Being human (!) I forgot to add that I am not targeting any post who has been in this thread. It has just been a general trend I have noticed - I do follow this thread as a Mod.
    Posted: 16 Oct 2017 11:43

    Last edited by dthead on 16 Oct 2017 18:06; edited 3 times in total

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      eddyb Assistant Commissioner

    French TGV losing $3b per year
    Japanese big maglev tunnels only 5m per day
    Hyperloop insufficient capacity
    Only Magtube the magnificent is the answer
    Maybe the greens would make it their platform?
    Posted: 19 Oct 2017 16:49
      eddyb Assistant Commissioner
    Posted: 07 Nov 2017 11:54
      eddyb Assistant Commissioner

    I do not understand why Hyperloop do not just build big trains to feed any residual air to the electrically powered jet compressor at the end of the tunnel like Magtube.

    Some very smart people have investigated it and Swissmetro but neither of them have thought of this.

    Yes there is a downside that trains would only leave on half hour frequency but as only one tunnel would be required the fare would be half.
    Posted: 18 Nov 2017 14:08
      eddyb Assistant Commissioner



    Magtube is the only one that would be economically viable from the day it is finished as it is the only one that would go all the way killing the Sydney/Melbourne route by plane with income over $1b per year at least for the next 100 years.

    Posted: 21 Nov 2017 14:21
      s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

    Location: Western Sydney, AU

    Magtube is the only one that would be economically viable from the day it is finished as it is the only one that would go all the way killing the Sydney/Melbourne route by plane with income over $1b per year at least for the next 100 years.
    eddyb

    Do you have numbers for this, or are you just pulling numbers out of a hat?

    Show working.

    Jaysus! Sounds like a HSC exam. Ah well, 'tis the season
    Posted: 26 Nov 2017 20:00
      billybaxter Chief Commissioner

    Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
    The $1 billion will be from 10 million passengers per year paying $100 each. These are actually the most sensible figures in Eddy's plan, so I'm sure he'll be along any moment to show the working. Ask him to justify assumptions on construction costs (exactly the same per km as north west rail), maintenance (zero cost), security (zero cost), market penetration (100%) and you'll get a cut and past of his most recent post.
    Posted: 27 Nov 2017 01:29
      eddyb Assistant Commissioner


    Magtube is the only one that would be economically viable from the day it is finished as it is the only one that would go all the way killing the Sydney/Melbourne route by plane with income over $1b per year at least for the next 100 years.

    Do you have numbers for this, or are you just pulling numbers out of a hat?

    Show working.

    Jaysus! Sounds like a HSC exam. Ah well, 'tis the season
    s3_gunzel



    At present there are seven million people who travel by air between Sydney and Melbourne https://www.ausbt.com.au/sydney-melbourne-the-world-s-fifth-busiest-air-route and in ten years time when built I am guessing ten million paying on average $100 per ticket and that is where I get the $1b per year income.

    According to this https://www.nti.com.au/intermediaries/distance-calculator.php Melbourne to Albury is 260 kilometres, Albury to Canberra is 219 kilometres and Canberra to Sydney is 247 kilometres a total of 726 kilometres and the NWRL which has the same size tunnel with the same TBM cost $38m per kilometre ($1.15b divided by 30 kilometres) which works out far less than $30b for the three single tunnels https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/newsroom-and-events/media-releases/getting-on-job-115-billion-tunnelling-contract-on-north-west

    By having the passing stations at Albury and Canberra it not only allows a one and a quarter hour ride between Sydney and Melbourne but puts Albury 15 minutes away from Melbourne and Canberra and Canberra 15 minutes away from Albury and Sydney growing them big enough to have their own international flights.

    Magtube only has to be a bit cheaper than air travel to kill it as it would be more reliable not being dependent on fuel costs and weather indeed it can be built in any weather without disturbing anyone.

    What I would dearly love to see is kids from the bush who are interested leaving school and training up to build train tunnels everywhere for future jobs maybe at ten times the speed with my Free face TBM https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/search.html?backendClass=both&q=free%20face%20TBM

    Posted: 27 Nov 2017 06:46
      Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Banned
    Ask him to justify assumptions on construction costs (exactly the same per km as north west rail), maintenance (zero cost), security (zero cost), market penetration (100%) and you'll get a cut and past of his most recent post.
    "billybaxter"
    Now come on, billy; you know as well as I do that it's futile asking Eddy to provide any solid evidence to back up his claims.
    Posted: 27 Nov 2017 11:58
      Pressman Spirit of the Vine

    Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me


    Do you have numbers for this, or are you just pulling numbers out of a hat?



    At present there are seven million people who travel by air between Sydney and Melbourne https://www.ausbt.com.au/sydney-melbourne-the-world-s-fifth-busiest-air-route and in ten years time when built I am guessing ten million paying on average $100 per ticket and that is where I get the $1b per year income.


    eddyb
    The underlined says it all
    Posted: 27 Nov 2017 13:51
      dthead Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    You guys read my post above, I advise you to do so.....
    Posted: 27 Nov 2017 19:07
      eddyb Assistant Commissioner

    The previous link for people flying the Sydney to Melbourne route was 2012 but this January was 8.5 million so next January would not be far off 10 million

    As the maglev train would only have the same air resistance as the Sydney metro it would only use the same amount of power which is 137GW per year up to 60MW plus the three 300kw compressors $1 million per year plus a couple of hundred staff so as there is very little maintanance with maglev there should be heaps of profit.
    Posted: 28 Nov 2017 08:49
      eddyb Assistant Commissioner

    The previous link for people flying the Sydney to Melbourne route was 2012 but this January was 8.5 million so next January would not be far off 10 million

    As the maglev train would only have the same air resistance as the Sydney metro it would only use the same amount of power which is 137GW per year up to 60MW plus the three 300kw compressors $1 million per year plus a couple of hundred staff so as there is very little maintanance with maglev there should be heaps of profit.
    eddyb
    Billy
    Could you elaborate on what you disagree about please.
    Posted: 03 Dec 2017 03:09
      eddyb Assistant Commissioner

    This is the email I sent to the Greens today.




    Hi

    At present I believe there is 100,000 tonne of jet fuel used every year between Sydney and Melbourne while Magtube could have a 5.6m wide 4,000 seat train leaving Sydney and Melbourne every half hour and only cost $50 million per year to run.

    To keep build cost down I suggest the northbound trains wait at Albury and Canberra for 15 minutes and vice versa so only three single 6m diameter tunnels are required.

    At NWRL stage 1 costs it could be done for $35b with stage 2 costs it would be $65b but if the Free face TBM can achieve ten metres per hour it may be much less. https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/search.html?backendClass=entity&q=free%20face%20tbm

    Where the Japanese maglev is limited to 500 kph by air resistance and Hyperloop needs compressors on every individual pod Magtube would have a jet compressor evacuating the one tonne of air that enters the tunnel with each train as it is pushed towards it.

    Do not hesitate to email me with any questions you may have.

    Regards Edward Barnett

    mistereddb@gmail.com



    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 16:13
      Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

    Location: On a Thing with Internet
    ahead of our time
    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 16:19
      eddyb Assistant Commissioner

    ahead of our time
    Dangersdan707
    By how much and is it best to develop it or use last century technology.
    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 18:06
      Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

    Location: On a Thing with Internet
    no your ideas
    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 18:13
      s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

    Location: Western Sydney, AU

    Hi

    At present I bel--
    eddyb


    That's all I read; if I got this in my email inbox, you'd not only be laughed at, you'd be put on an email blacklist and marked as spam. This isn't you emailing your grandmother at the weekend.

    Please, learn how to email people in a business situation:

    - Value, what can you give them?
    - Proposition, what is it you're proposing?
    - Conceptualisation, include numbers.

    Longer emails aren't necessarily bad.
    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 18:23

    Last edited by s3_gunzel on 30 Dec 2017 18:24; edited 1 time in total
      eddyb Assistant Commissioner


    Hi

    At present I bel--

    That's all I read; if I got this in my email inbox, you'd not only be laughed at, you'd be put on an email blacklist and marked as spam. This isn't you emailing your grandmother at the weekend.

    Please, learn how to email people in a business situation:

    - Value, what can you give them?
    - Proposition, what is it you're proposing?
    - Conceptualisation, include numbers.

    Longer emails aren't necessarily bad.
    s3_gunzel
    When I read this I thought you meant I had sent it to you.


    I have posted the concept to Infrastructure Australia and it is somewhere above but it was rejected even though they never even asked one question which makes me wonder what knowledge they have and are they all just too busy to really look into proposals.

    This is their board http://infrastructureaustralia.gov.au/about/board.aspx
    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 18:32

    Last edited by eddyb on 30 Dec 2017 18:51; edited 3 times in total
      eddyb Assistant Commissioner

    no your ideas
    Dangersdan707
    There is no point in building something that is limited to 500kph if Magtube could be built in ten years but if you think it may take 30 years then last century technology is the way to go.
    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 18:36
      s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

    Location: Western Sydney, AU

    I don't understand I never ever sent anything to you.
    eddyb


    I see you've wholly missed the point of my post. No more questions.
    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 18:37
      eddyb Assistant Commissioner


    I don't understand I never ever sent anything to you.

    I see you've wholly missed the point of my post. No more questions.
    s3_gunzel
    When I read your post again I realised that is what you would do if you received it and edited my reply.
    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 18:58
      Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

    Location: On a Thing with Internet
    send this proposal to Elon musk Next!
    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 19:07
      eddyb Assistant Commissioner

    send this proposal to Elon musk Next!
    Dangersdan707
    Have tried but no response.


    Eventually he will have to use trains where people can stand in tunnels due to expansion and g force on the surface.


    He evidently has employed a top TBM engineer to just push the discs harder but the trick is to step the discs back to provide a second free face so instead of grinding bits out as big as your thumb you tear out pieces as big as your arm.

    A Queensland university study found sometimes experts had to unlearn things to see things out of the box and what I suggest is backed up by young rock mechanics https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00603-016-1053-6
    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 19:19
      Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

    send this proposal to Elon musk Next!
    Dangersdan707
    DO NOT encourage the special person,use a brain and learn to leave some things alone.
    Posted: 30 Dec 2017 19:33

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