Grain Harvest 2016/2017

 
  62440 Chief Commissioner

With Murrayville on SG, it must be tempting to look at extending to Pinaroo or even beyond, after all, the Vics run interstate grainies to NSW

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  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Who would benefit more from the Pinaroo/Ouyen line being all SG (assuming trains could run on the SA line still)?  Ports of Adelaide or Port of Melbourne and Geelong?  Id say the Vics would want to keep the traffic running their way.  Ouyen is approx 380km to Adelaide, but 450km to Geelong/Melbourne.  Might it be cheaper and therefore more competitive to run trains to Adelaide than Melbourne/Geelong.

States and railways, still politicking (and perhaps touching on s.92 issues in the constitution) to this day..
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Who would benefit more from the Pinaroo/Ouyen line being all SG (assuming trains could run on the SA line still)?  Ports of Adelaide or Port of Melbourne and Geelong?  Id say the Vics would want to keep the traffic running their way.  Ouyen is approx 380km to Adelaide, but 450km to Geelong/Melbourne.  Might it be cheaper and therefore more competitive to run trains to Adelaide than Melbourne/Geelong.

States and railways, still politicking (and perhaps touching on s.92 issues in the constitution) to this day..
james.au
James, the problems are that there are different grain handling companies across this country. One grain company (lets say GrainCorp) isn't likely to send their grain to another companies (lets say Viterra) export facility even if the route is a few hundred kilometres less.
So the issue of which trains run where is not as simple as it seems.

As to states and railways and politics  ............ let Portland/Mount Gambier serve as a classic example!
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Yep, I'm very aware of the grain companies.  If you look in that area, Viterra has a decent sized storage facility on the Ouyen line it would likely use to ship back to SA (to combine/blend etc with other volumes for shipment), and Graincorp, if it thought it could make a buck out of it I'm sure would send it to Adelaide too.  Graincorp has no presence in SA (of significance) but it is a company and $$ talk.   If, hypothetically, GrainCorp bought Viterra, I bet you would see them railing reasonable tonnage from the Mildura line and Ouyen line across to SA as it was worth more to them to do so.  Plus you would get all sorts of buyers offering prices at silos that would possibly create new markets etc.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
One possible outcome of connecting the SG lines together might be the idea of Pinnaroo customers using the train to Geelong or Portlnd.  This I believe would be cheaper than the truck and rail option which is now in place.  GWA have really made a mess of the grain lines in SA and driven costs up for farmers although I also think Viterra have also been responsible for the now road related mess out of Loxton.  

If customers at Pinnaroo could get cheaper transport services from SG trains why would they not take advantage of this?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

A SG Grain train arrived at Portland Harbour today.  Hopefully the first of many.

The Northern Vic lines (to Deniliquin and Piangil/Woorinen) have been fairly busy with BG grain trains over the past week.
  Y115 Chief Train Controller

Location: Portland
A SG Grain train arrived at Portland Harbour today.  Hopefully the first of many.

The Northern Vic lines (to Deniliquin and Piangil/Woorinen) have been fairly busy with BG grain trains over the past week.
Carnot
G520 and 8157 on our first grain train for the season, also first since June, 2016.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
9150 seen at Tarnagulla yesterday afternoon with XR559 and XR552

[/url]XR559, XR552 9150 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/greensleeves94/]Brad White, on Flickr



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snVBBGVCCcQ
  BigTrain2015 Junior Train Controller

Nice photos.

Local mate at Marybrough advises grain is running in earnest at present with Maryborough Yard quite busy at the moment.  Daily grain trains through to the North West.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
G520 and 8157 were back in Portland with a rake of 47 wagons yesterday.

Rick
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Apparently a Qube loco has collected from Geelong the blue BG wagons that El-Zorro used and has taken them to Sunshine.  An intriguing development....
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Apparently a Qube loco has collected from Geelong the blue BG wagons that El-Zorro used and has taken them to Sunshine.  An intriguing development....
Carnot
The blue wagons I assume are the former AWB wagons which are now owned by Cargill.

(SSR are leasing a similar rake from Cargill for other work - the grain handlers being a little less precious than our rail operators)

Don't QUBE already have the Cargill (SG) contract in Vic?

I'm sure someone closer to the action will know.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Apparently a Qube loco has collected from Geelong the blue BG wagons that El-Zorro used and has taken them to Sunshine.  An intriguing development....
Carnot

How interesting. Tottenham Yard?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Apparently a Qube loco has collected from Geelong the blue BG wagons that El-Zorro used and has taken them to Sunshine.  An intriguing development....
The blue wagons I assume are the former AWB wagons which are now owned by Cargill.

(SSR are leasing a similar rake from Cargill for other work - the grain handlers being a little less precious than our rail operators)

Don't QUBE already have the Cargill (SG) contract in Vic?

I'm sure someone closer to the action will know.
bingley hall
Apologies didn't read Carnot's post carefully enough.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The VGBY wagons are now at McIntyre.  According to FB, the BG bogies will go on the PHAY wagons just brought over from SA.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Are these going to go on the Hanson trains?

Whats going to happen to the grain hoppers?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The VGBY wagons are now at McIntyre.  According to FB, the BG bogies will go on the PHAY wagons just brought over from SA.
Carnot

PN would not sell or lease the wagons from their version of the service which are currently in Tottenham yard?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The VGBY wagons are now at McIntyre.  According to FB, the BG bogies will go on the PHAY wagons just brought over from SA.

PN would not sell or lease the wagons from their version of the service which are currently in Tottenham yard?
bevans
I thought PN had a proven track record of not selling or leasing any of their stock to anyone unless they have a vested interest (ie Etamogah Rail Hub). They would rather scrap them than have a competitor gain an advantage over them using their own gear.

BG
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I am on the 15.15 Down Echuca service, a rake of blue CFCLA hoppers sighted at Albion on the Up, didn't catch the locos, sorry

BG
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Is this some kind of cruel joke?  V/Line are basically going to suspend most freight operations when the temp gets above 33 - 36 degC:

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/agribusiness/cropping/vline-freight-on-key-lines-to-stop-if-33c-reached/news-story/37350f02909ba6a8197dcdfaa71aa86e

VICTORIA’S largest grain export program is under threat following a decision by V/Line to shut major rail freight lines once temperatures hit 33C.

A network service plan released by V/Line shows freight on the Swan Hill, Echuca, Shepparton, Murrayville, Mildura and Dimboola-Yaapeet lines would be stopped during the day if temperatures reach 33C.
Freight on the Manangatang and Sea Lake lines would be stopped at 36C.
Victorian Farmers Federation grains president Brett Hosking said V/Line was “effectively shutting down rail freight for the northwest of the state for two months during the most critical time of the year”.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I thought most freight ran at night through summer for this reason anyway?  And that broadly, most freight ran at night anyway?
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
That shows the sort of customer commitment that sent other goods to road transport as up here we get above 33 for weeks on end. Shocked
I thought they had learnt from the earlier mistakes that saw rail transport diminish - apparently not
Rolling Eyes
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I thought most freight ran at night through summer for this reason anyway?  And that broadly, most freight ran at night anyway?
james.au
I've had a look at the actual V/line document:  https://corporate.vline.com.au/CMSModules/SharePoint/CMSPages/GetSharePointFile.ashx?connectionname=VNAP&fileref=%2fNetworkServicesPlan%2fNetwork+Operating+Requirements++NA_NSP_01+-++R03-2016+(SW+0145+2016).pdf&cacheminutes=5&cachefilesize=1024&hash=a5dd28966b4030057c40caf061874d0709bf05c36f0daec9648cf018508b0c52

WOLO restrictions apply between 1200 - 2200 on most of these lines (1000 - 2200 for Tocumwal!!!).  That's a lot of disruption and stuffing up of schedules for the long-haul freight especially.

It just goes to show how dilapidated our rail network is.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
That is simply unacceptable

Would any other networks in Australia have those restrictions?
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
It gets back to being too disorganised to get funding, not spending money they do have on needed maintenance, being more interested in sending money to their owners as dividends rather than stabilise their own long term future.

You don't grow your business by upsetting customers so they go elsewhere.  You may find trucking the grain down, while more expensive than the rail option, is cheaper than the port costs or sending a 1/2 full boat off

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